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Self Defense for a minor

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by bigun15, Aug 12, 2006.

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  1. bigun15

    bigun15 Member

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    I've been here long enough to know all (or at least most) of you adults out there have a gun for self defense. My problem is that the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to me because I'm not 18 yet. I realize the need for effective self defense in certain situations, but the most effective one is against the law for me.

    So what should I use for self defense as a minor other than a firearm? I have a pocket knife and, while I'm not going to say I illegally carry that on my person, I do believe that it is better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six.

    What would be the best idea for me around my house? What about when I'm not in my house?

    Thanks for the advice.

    Oh and by the way, I asked this question a long time ago at Calguns.net and got an answer like this:
    This is not the kind of answer I'm looking for. It actually offended me pretty heavily.
     
  2. LkWinnipesaukee

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    I carry pepper spray, 2 knives, and a kubaton on my keychain.

    Everything perfectly legal.

    Check out ur state laws regarding knives. Again, mine are perfectly legal in MA (not switchblades, butterflies (and dont meet other criteria), but I can open them about as fast as a switchblade.

    In your house, have a rifle or shotgun (semi auto if possible) close at hand.



    Now, on your 21'st birthday, instead of going out drinking, go to your PD and apply for your permit!!:D


    I'm 16, by the way.


    Hope that helps
     
  3. Josh Aston

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    Situational Awareness is going to be your best bet.

    Something like this with a lot more keys. Legal everywhere and not easily recognized as a weapon.

    A super bright flashlight like Surefire or Digilight could come in handy.

    Remember though you are the most effective weapon available. Avoid trouble and learn to improvise when trouble does arise. Just about anything can be used as a weapon. Also studying martial arts and taking up physical training (weight and endurance) will increase your options.
     
  4. Fosbery

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    Learn some form of martial arts, get a kubaton and/or a knife and some pepper spray or similar. Are tazers legal for under 18s?
     
  5. cassandrasdaddy

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    good question

    when i was your age i was 4'11 94 pounds, i can tell you what i did most of it bad. i carried lots of weapons illegally and had a bad attitude. lucky i lived through it. if i had it to do over i'd do the martial arts classes and stay outa a lotta places i went then. and never underestimate the wisdom of "feet don't fail me now" if you think you should haul but you should probably already be moving.its a meaner world than when i was your age. i wish you luck.but try not to self defend yourself into a prison cell over testosterone
     
  6. VARifleman

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    Depends on the state.
     
  7. Zen21Tao

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    How about an aerosol can and cigarette lighter? :evil: :D
     
  8. LkWinnipesaukee

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    hell, tasers and stun guns are completely illegal in MA



    stupid liberals



    Also, I believe you can carry anything concealed/open when on your property
     
  9. Eightball

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    Not sure how it works in your state, but in mine, once you hit 18, there's no laws restricting your handgun ownership. Purchasing, yes--owning/operating, no. Good ol' KY. No federal laws saying someone between 18-21 can't own/operate handgun, either; the only laws on "the books" apply to "minors under the age of 18". I have a .22 snubbie, a BP, and a .357 revolver, and I'm 19--all gifts. Perfectly legal. Can't CCW or anything, but it helps to know the laws.

    And yes, I checked them througoughly in an official .gov book of firearms regulations and laws--both state and local. Handy book.
     
  10. benEzra

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    Good OC spray, if legal for someone your age to carry where you live. Fox Labs is IMHO the best (I'd recommend a 2-oz medium fogger).

    Martial arts, practiced seriously. Both for the physical SD skills AND the enhanced situational awareness. Something like Krav Maga might be even better.

    Lift weights. It will not only make you stronger and feel better about yourself, but it will make you a less appealing target.

    Get some quality running shoes and take up running, both endurance and speedwork. Right now, you have the potential for speed and endurance that would be superhuman for a 35-year-old. Take advantage of it while you can.

    Don't do anything illegal. I don't know how juvenile records affect your RKBA as an adult, but you'd hate to do something to screw up your future.
     
  11. bigun15

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    I live in California, so guns are pretty much out of my picture (for now).

    Oh believe me, I've already planned that out. At 18 I want to get an SKS.

    I am 6'0" with shoes on, about 155 lbs., and I'm taking advanced weight training at my high school. I guess you could say I'm physically in the middle.

    I'd like to get pepper spray/stun gun, but for the life of me I can't find them anywhere. I'll keep looking around, but it's not been very productive this far.

    Hehe. Already got it.

    Anyway, I've got my BB gun by my bed but my dad has been talking about putting it back in his safe. I'm going under the assumption that I'm going to lose that.
     
  12. cassandrasdaddy

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    wow

    your a decent sized young man thats good just don't let some short sucker goad you into something that looks bad for you. if you pound some lil guy even if he started it it looks bad for you. and big guys are always targets for lil guys trying to prove something. you wanna really piss off an older guy? particularly one who smokes? use your youth and just outrun us. like someone said you can smoke most 30 yearolds running backwards.
     
  13. Stickjockey

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    http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/pepper.html

    Check your state/local laws first; although they'll ship to CA, there may be a law/city ordnance/other piece of local tripe that makes it illegal for anyone under 18 to carry it.
     
  14. cassandrasdaddy

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    oh yea

    don't carry in school always a bozo nono
     
  15. bigun15

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    Stickjockey, I think that link is going to take away at least a couple hours of my life that I should spend doing other things. Thank you. I know some of the stuff on there is illegal here (butterfly knives, brass knuckles, etc.) but some of it may be worth purchasing.

    Cassandrasdaddy, you remind me of a time I went to school and opened my binder to find my knife sitting right there in the middle of class. Fortunately, no one else noticed.
     
  16. cassandrasdaddy

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    yea

    you don't have to do anythjing wrong to be hung out to dry. you are responsible for protecting yourself from the dumb rules today. remember the kid who took a knife away from suicidal clasmate turned it in to teacher? they put him out under zero tolerance. don't let some bozo situation et ya but like wise don't get killed by not being ready
     
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    awareness of the time and space around you, these are key for you , and more important than any weapon you can carry. Another way to say it,spoken from the movie Ronin , by robert Deniro, " I dont go into any situation , that I can't get myself out of!"
     
  18. cassandrasdaddy

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    not near as good as deniro

    but still true was a show from my youth called julia single mom boy child momma wanted to do the no fighting thing with boy got sage advice from the old doctor "well fighter or pacifist either way hes gotta learn to duck"
     
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    I didn't know that a 16 year old could get a card for pepper spray in MA,I assumed that one had to be 18.
     
  20. Stickjockey

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    Bigun, if you're in the Bay Area, you might try going over to http://www.armedpolitesociety.com and talking a bit with WinstonSmith. He's kinda in the same boat you are.
     
  21. LkWinnipesaukee

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    Ages 15-18 can get an FID card (doubles as a permit for low cap rifles/shotguns) with their parents permission.
     
  22. trickyasafox

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    be really careful with pocket knives and such. even if they are technically legal, a LEO still might give you a ration of poo. it has been my experience that there is the law as it is written, and the law as it is practiced, and often they are not the same thing. when i was 16 (6 years ago now) i was in a slightly different boat. i'd say get a cell phone first and foremost if you don't have one, and a kubaton. it looks the least like a weapon. also consider a bit of training with it, a lot of specific fighting techniques have been developed with kubatons, and learning a few wouldn't hurt. next i would say a very bright flashlight, with an aluminum body. i like the fenix 1lp as my everyday flashlight. again a multitude of specific techniques acompany small flashlights for defensive purposes.

    to sum up though, everyone here, and not just you, should realize that the best bet of defense is high situational awareness. once you reach an age where more of your rights are 'granted' you can expand your level of preparedness to accompany a broader range of situations, but in the meantime you'll have to make due with what is legally available.
     
  23. cassandrasdaddy

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    good summation tricky

    i am pissed that in todays society there exists the realitythat good young men feel the need to be armed. and i don't fault their asesment of risk either. i worked at a college in dc had a couple students that worked with me as part of their financial aid package. 2 good kids nice young men.we were talking one night and both these kids go strapped. in spite of the enormous risk that creates for their futures if caught. but as the one said no future dead. when i was their age we fist fought. its a shame. but real as can be and a horrible drain on society
     
  24. Lonestar

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    take advice from us older guys, who would give the left one to be your age again. I see way too many teens let themselves get fat and lazy. From 16 to about 25, Man or woman, your body is at its PRIME. I remember when I was 18 I got big into cardio, running 5 miles a day, I got real thin, then suddenly I decided I wanted to lift weight, and I gain 20 lb of pure muscle in 8 month, and this is while I was going to college full time, working full time and partying full time ;) No way I could do that now. You could get into shape quicker and get stronger then anyone over 30. Simply you can just get into running and Pushups if you don't have equipment or can't afford a gym. Get into Martial Arts and avoid Traditional and shoot for more street fighting or combat type classes. I think OC is the way to go. Unless your up to no good and using OC for mischief, I don't see a cop giving a teen a lot of trouble for carrying OC. Knives, Stunguns, and other weapons can get you in trouble. Unfortunately, cops are more likely to harrass teens than adults (most of the time for good reasons) , so you run more of a risk carrying potential illegal weapons.
     
  25. strambo

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    Weapons are just tools. Don't worry about that stuff (butterfly knives, nun-chuks, brass knuckles especially, they are no more effective in trained hands then legal alternatives). Focus on awareness/avoidance, self discipline, fitness and some basic self defense.
     
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