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Brain is the weapon; the world the toolbox - me
Self defense in college
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NMGonzo
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"I have to lock my bicycle"
"I have to lock my bicycle"
Madcap_Magician
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Good pair of running shoes.
Get the pepper spray.
As some one posted: From Maryland law 4-101
"(1) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon of any kind concealed on or about the person.
(2) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon, chemical mace, pepper mace, or a tear gas device openly with the intent or purpose of injuring an individual in an unlawful manner.
It's NOT unlawful to use to protect your self from attack.
Some one asked what they mean by intent. (yeah its grey) A DA would have to show through your actions you had the spray as an offensive weapon, its acutally pretty hard to prove that in court.
Also to everyone who is suggesting a club. I don't knowabout Maryland but here in CA carrying a club is a felony. Check state AND local weapons laws.
As some one posted: From Maryland law 4-101
"(1) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon of any kind concealed on or about the person.
(2) A person may not wear or carry a dangerous weapon, chemical mace, pepper mace, or a tear gas device openly with the intent or purpose of injuring an individual in an unlawful manner.
It's NOT unlawful to use to protect your self from attack.
Some one asked what they mean by intent. (yeah its grey) A DA would have to show through your actions you had the spray as an offensive weapon, its acutally pretty hard to prove that in court.
Also to everyone who is suggesting a club. I don't knowabout Maryland but here in CA carrying a club is a felony. Check state AND local weapons laws.
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Yup, actual hands on training geared towards dealing with real-world violent situations is worth more than a loaded .45 on your hip.
I would also recommend a 2-day course from these guys. http://targetfocustraining.com two full days of doing nothing other than practicing injuring other human beings, breaking body parts until the person no longer functions (is no longer posing a threat, which will be situation dependent). That is the goal of violence and what you would need to be striving for with any tool you would carry anyway.
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I've ridden that same light rail line the OP is talking about. What you get is small groups of juvinilles/punks doing the intimidation strong arm robberies. Generally there is one leader in the group that gets them going, and they follow his lead. Take out that one punk and the rest retreat fast. They even back off when it looks like you're going to fight.
"Also to everyone who is suggesting a club. I don't knowabout Maryland but here in CA carrying a club is a felony. Check state AND local weapons laws."
I don't know of any state or city where a cane or walking stick is illeagal, unlike a knife that has been used for self defense. A nice stout hickory cane from Canemasters, or a knobby blackthorn from an Irish shop will go where no knife can, and be much more effective against a group of punks. Awfully hard to strongarm somebody when your arms broke, or skull cracked.
"Also to everyone who is suggesting a club. I don't knowabout Maryland but here in CA carrying a club is a felony. Check state AND local weapons laws."
I don't know of any state or city where a cane or walking stick is illeagal, unlike a knife that has been used for self defense. A nice stout hickory cane from Canemasters, or a knobby blackthorn from an Irish shop will go where no knife can, and be much more effective against a group of punks. Awfully hard to strongarm somebody when your arms broke, or skull cracked.
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well the general techinique officialy taught to college freshmen is "knock them down, stomp their nuts in, and run like hell"
oh wait, thats to the women, they taught the men to just hadn the wallet over. but the female method works very well, and since the op seems to be a man, it should work better by having more weight and bigger boots to stomp with.
oh wait, thats to the women, they taught the men to just hadn the wallet over. but the female method works very well, and since the op seems to be a man, it should work better by having more weight and bigger boots to stomp with.
I picked one of these up the other day, and I would highly recommend it, the Surefire 6P Defender:
You can easily blind someone temporarily (especially if they're not expecting it), and it would be quite easy to crack a skull or cause a serious laceration with the strike bezel. Not to mention you can find stuff in the dark! I always carry a small folding knife too, but that's more for utilitarian things. The Surefire would make a much better defensive weapons IMO.
You can easily blind someone temporarily (especially if they're not expecting it), and it would be quite easy to crack a skull or cause a serious laceration with the strike bezel. Not to mention you can find stuff in the dark! I always carry a small folding knife too, but that's more for utilitarian things. The Surefire would make a much better defensive weapons IMO.
I think the key with the flashlights and magic markers isn't that since its smaller, you can hit pressure points(although you sure could) but more that you're decreasing the surface area, getting a harder hit. Also, it doesn't have any nerve endings.
I'm in a similar situation, except as far as I know the community college I go to doesn't care about the cheap folder I carry. When I'm in a place i can't have my folder, I make it a point to have a mini mag light in my back pocket. Maybe a heavy carabiner on a shoelace?
I'm in a similar situation, except as far as I know the community college I go to doesn't care about the cheap folder I carry. When I'm in a place i can't have my folder, I make it a point to have a mini mag light in my back pocket. Maybe a heavy carabiner on a shoelace?
I like the pen idea a little. Now even if its illegal to do so... If I felt the need to carry my gun because I felt unsafe... I would worry about my life first and my penality for saving it later, because the only way anyone will ever figure out you have it is if you use it.
30mag
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I like a knife. Of course, knowing how to disarm a guy is useful, and a weapon with more reach would be desirable. A baseball bat? Your friends might notice you carrying around a bat all the time though... But you can't ever know when you might have a pickup game of baseball!
Ahem. So reading the regs : it says you cannot carry a dangerous weapon concealed on your person or to openly carry one with the intent of using it unlawfully.
Doesn't say anything about open carry. Sounds like you could strap a viking battle axe to your back and be within the regs...
Doesn't say anything about open carry. Sounds like you could strap a viking battle axe to your back and be within the regs...
If you are gonna do this I say do it right. The pen is not a great weapon, can it be used in a pinch sure, John Cusack killed a guy in Grosse Point Blank with a finely constructed pen. Carrying a walking stick is a great idea and is as good as a knife although it does require some training to be effective, except this kid is a college freshman, not walking in the woods and probably would like to bring a girl back to his dorm in the next decade. Most good pick up lines do not start with, "Hey, like my walking stick." So lets get on with some really practical stuff.
#1 call the DA's office or a police station and ask them what would be legal to carry, ask for peoples names and titles to possibly cover yourself.
#2 Fox labs pepper spray, easy to conceal in your hand so you can maintain a state of readiness without looking conspicuous, and it is measured force. Meaning you spray someone and virtually the same thing happens every time and no permanent injuries. Stab someone and they may die, may have nerve damage. Hit someone and an even longer list of injuries appears which you could be sued for.
#3 A knife, perhaps as a backup to the pepper spray or your primary. Check local laws on knife regs b/c they are ridiculously intricate especially with newer assisted opening knives. Knives are easy to learn with and intuitive, just don't swing long keep your swipes short and your stabs direct.
#4 A good tactical light 80 lumens or better, fenix lights are cheap, built well and many take double A's. The light will distract and possibly disorientate the attacker which might just screw up his plan to assault you and you no longer appear as an easy target. As a striking weapon the light is marginal even with the striking bezel. I would rather distract/blind my opponent and if he comes to me to attack he does so blindly and I can engage with advantage. If the light prevents me from gripping for a choke or a submission I can let it go.
Which is a good place for #5 A good grappling or all around martial arts school not a 10 day course or some bs but this will run you probably about 100 bills give or take a month and it will be three months before it is usable depending if you have any previous experience.
#1 call the DA's office or a police station and ask them what would be legal to carry, ask for peoples names and titles to possibly cover yourself.
#2 Fox labs pepper spray, easy to conceal in your hand so you can maintain a state of readiness without looking conspicuous, and it is measured force. Meaning you spray someone and virtually the same thing happens every time and no permanent injuries. Stab someone and they may die, may have nerve damage. Hit someone and an even longer list of injuries appears which you could be sued for.
#3 A knife, perhaps as a backup to the pepper spray or your primary. Check local laws on knife regs b/c they are ridiculously intricate especially with newer assisted opening knives. Knives are easy to learn with and intuitive, just don't swing long keep your swipes short and your stabs direct.
#4 A good tactical light 80 lumens or better, fenix lights are cheap, built well and many take double A's. The light will distract and possibly disorientate the attacker which might just screw up his plan to assault you and you no longer appear as an easy target. As a striking weapon the light is marginal even with the striking bezel. I would rather distract/blind my opponent and if he comes to me to attack he does so blindly and I can engage with advantage. If the light prevents me from gripping for a choke or a submission I can let it go.
Which is a good place for #5 A good grappling or all around martial arts school not a 10 day course or some bs but this will run you probably about 100 bills give or take a month and it will be three months before it is usable depending if you have any previous experience.
A hatchet will fit in the inside pockets of a Levi's denim jacket.
Other than that, grow your hair and beard for 6 months and go out without combing it. I haven't had to say 'excuse me' once in the last 2 months just because of my apperance when I play it up. You also won't have a problem finding anything in a store, because a manager will be a few steps behind you most of the time.
Just a thought.
Other than that, grow your hair and beard for 6 months and go out without combing it. I haven't had to say 'excuse me' once in the last 2 months just because of my apperance when I play it up. You also won't have a problem finding anything in a store, because a manager will be a few steps behind you most of the time.
Just a thought.
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Improvised weapons are fun 
Get a 2lb belt buckle and you have an instant flail.. Pull off your belt and swing away.. Extra points for pointy things on the buckle.
If you want to wear a nice biker/rocker leather jacket, you can add a chain bandoleer
The pens/sticks/lights listed are all handy, of course..
Pepper spray ring: http://www.defensedevices.com/stunningring.html
Maybe brass knuckles are legal? : http://www.defensedevices.com/knuckles.html
Expandable Baton: http://www.defensedevices.com/united-defense-baton.html
Not sure what's legal in your area... Be sure to check local laws
Get a 2lb belt buckle and you have an instant flail.. Pull off your belt and swing away.. Extra points for pointy things on the buckle.
If you want to wear a nice biker/rocker leather jacket, you can add a chain bandoleer
The pens/sticks/lights listed are all handy, of course..
Pepper spray ring: http://www.defensedevices.com/stunningring.html
Maybe brass knuckles are legal? : http://www.defensedevices.com/knuckles.html
Expandable Baton: http://www.defensedevices.com/united-defense-baton.html
Not sure what's legal in your area... Be sure to check local laws
Pepper spray comes in covert pager and small baton. They are more easy to use that regular cans. Because the way you aim and use the trigger. Get the manual it has good info. There is a spray finger ring too.
They also sell pen spray. But you have to take the cap off. Maybe you could have your hand over the nozzle so no one can see that it's more than a pen. But it's hard to tell where the nozzle is.
I also carry a stinger keychain. I even got the dvd training with it. If I didn't have my gun, I'd be carrying my taser in my strong pants pocket. Maybe, a tactical pen. There is also a pen stun gun. My friend thought it was a pocket flashlight. He didn't believe me until I fired it. There's also a cellphone stun gun.
I think Baltimore is pretty strict about carrying defense items.
You may carry an extra wallet empty to throw away from you as a distraction. Say " Here's my wallet." Throw away from you. By the time he realizes that the wallet is a decoy, you will have a few yards advantage.
I have taken Tae Kwon Do for many years. It may be easier for you to carry something hard but inconspicuous. And be mentally willing to hurt a stranger.
It's always better to run away than stay and fight. You have no idea what someone will do if they have you helpless on the ground. The stakes are high. Some may not be as merciful as you.
They also sell pen spray. But you have to take the cap off. Maybe you could have your hand over the nozzle so no one can see that it's more than a pen. But it's hard to tell where the nozzle is.
I also carry a stinger keychain. I even got the dvd training with it. If I didn't have my gun, I'd be carrying my taser in my strong pants pocket. Maybe, a tactical pen. There is also a pen stun gun. My friend thought it was a pocket flashlight. He didn't believe me until I fired it. There's also a cellphone stun gun.
I think Baltimore is pretty strict about carrying defense items.
You may carry an extra wallet empty to throw away from you as a distraction. Say " Here's my wallet." Throw away from you. By the time he realizes that the wallet is a decoy, you will have a few yards advantage.
I have taken Tae Kwon Do for many years. It may be easier for you to carry something hard but inconspicuous. And be mentally willing to hurt a stranger.
It's always better to run away than stay and fight. You have no idea what someone will do if they have you helpless on the ground. The stakes are high. Some may not be as merciful as you.
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LkWinnipesaukee
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I am the OP of this thread--
Still here. I'm living on campus. Last week there was 1) an armed robbery at a store a few hundred yards from my dorm, 2) a strong-arm robbery, and 3) another robbery in which a student was "stabbed at."
I sent an email to the director of public safety (some revealing information excluded):
Sent last week and he never replied. Did he think I was kidding or something?
So I'm back to my original question. What could I use/keep ON campus? Right now I'm assuming I can't even have any kind of knife, baton, or anything that is primarily a weapon. A walking stick is out of the question (if I want a social life).
I'm strongly considering just getting a can of good pepper spray (I left my old one at home), but I don't know how much to trust it.
I'm a little frustrated. Any ideas?
Still here. I'm living on campus. Last week there was 1) an armed robbery at a store a few hundred yards from my dorm, 2) a strong-arm robbery, and 3) another robbery in which a student was "stabbed at."
I sent an email to the director of public safety (some revealing information excluded):
Sent last week and he never replied. Did he think I was kidding or something?
So I'm back to my original question. What could I use/keep ON campus? Right now I'm assuming I can't even have any kind of knife, baton, or anything that is primarily a weapon. A walking stick is out of the question (if I want a social life).
I'm strongly considering just getting a can of good pepper spray (I left my old one at home), but I don't know how much to trust it.
I'm a little frustrated. Any ideas?
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I have carried my Mini-Mag (2 AA cells) aboard a airliner with no problems. HTH
Best,
Rob
Best,
Rob
millertyme
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what is defined as a weapon in their code? Statutory language is very narrow for a reason, and definitions included in every states' statutes. What about a kitchen knife? What about pocketknives whose carry is considered otherwise lawful, say, a 3" blade or less? There was a quote earlier that mentioned the mind is the weapon and the world is the tool box. under that premise, there are a lot of things that become weapons when wielded in the right hands. What about carrying a pocket full of sand? All of a sudden the student rec center is under investigation for enabling students.
You're going about it the right way. You have a right to defend yourself from whatever attack you encounter. Your request might have come across as antagonistic or sarcastic. I bet those guys get harassed all the time, often by very well-meaning individuals like yourself. I, on the other hand, did it just to make fun of the guys. Drop by their office and ask them. You'll be more personable than you'd ever be in an email. At least get them on the record for what they'd overlook if it ever came into question and they had some discretion on the matter.
Good luck, whatever the case. I stayed away from some schools based solely on the likeliness of personal injury or risk to my family.
You're going about it the right way. You have a right to defend yourself from whatever attack you encounter. Your request might have come across as antagonistic or sarcastic. I bet those guys get harassed all the time, often by very well-meaning individuals like yourself. I, on the other hand, did it just to make fun of the guys. Drop by their office and ask them. You'll be more personable than you'd ever be in an email. At least get them on the record for what they'd overlook if it ever came into question and they had some discretion on the matter.
Good luck, whatever the case. I stayed away from some schools based solely on the likeliness of personal injury or risk to my family.
More likely he thought "anything I tell this kid might come back to bite me. If I say 'buy pepper spray,' or 'here's how to get a Tazer,' or 'take boxing lessons,' then if he ever defends himself I might take some criticism for telling him what to do. If I tell him nothing is allowed, then that will be a huge lawsuit once some mugger kills/maims him and the e-mail gets out. The best course of action is to pretend I never saw it."
Or at least, that's the image that popped into my head.
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^^^^ Heavily saturated salt water in a drinking bottle (Aim for the eyes 
)....backed up with a walking stick.
Best,
Rob
)....backed up with a walking stick.Best,
Rob
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How about a roll of quarters? (fist load) Even freshmen gotta do laundry occasionally.
Surefire 6P LED or similar sturdy 6" metal flashlight is all sorts of handy and lends much heft to one's punches. I take one with me whenever I am in a designated victim zone.
Roll of pennies, quarters, dimes, or nickels. [I see I was already tumped.]
Do you ride a bike on campus? A wrench of some sort in you pack is then easily explained. Same thing with a length of chain with a padlock on the end.
Some dude on line makes self-defense umbrellas that are hella stout.
Roll of pennies, quarters, dimes, or nickels. [I see I was already tumped.]
Do you ride a bike on campus? A wrench of some sort in you pack is then easily explained. Same thing with a length of chain with a padlock on the end.
Some dude on line makes self-defense umbrellas that are hella stout.
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