Michigan Self Defense..

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Arsyx

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Ok, although I plan on carrying at 21(I'm 19) right now I cannot due to Michigan's lame laws... Right now I'm looking for a good way to defend myself against any attackers. I thought about carrying a 5 shot of pepper spray and a 3" folder. The attacker would approach me and I'd spray him if it didn't cause him to drop or flee and I'm forced to use my knife(given that in this situation nike kung fu isn't an option) after being hit in the face with pepper spray the chance of him being able to ninja my knife out of my hand would be highly unlikely. Then I realized in Michigan you can only carry 2%:what: really, would 2% even be worth carrying? Doesn't seem like it'd do more than aggravate an attacker?
 
In Michigan the only weapon that is legal to conceal is a pistol/revolver. No knives. In some of the cities in Michigan, it is a felony even to possess a knife of any size. If they catch you, they will take you in on felony charges just for possessing a knife...not even using. I know...it's a dumb law.

Re: the pepper spray, I can only say (and seriously) try placing a little on your face. Have some of the wipes at the ready to clean it off before you try it. As I understand it, this 2% stuff burns. I accidentally got some on me. It burned. I also understand that it take about 12 to 15 seconds to get really hot. It is not instant.
 
Wow, and Michigan LEO's wonder why literally every male under 21 in Michigan carries some type of illegal baton, brass knuckles, or switchblades on them...because absolutely nothing is legal to defend yourself with. A lot of people would rather do time than be dead at the hands of an attacker... Thank God I'm probably moving to Indiana soon in which a law abiding citizen like me can carry.
 
I was raised in around Beton Harbor Michigan. I love the land, the people, even the weather. But even 40 years ago it was becoming a welfare state, All laws passed in Michigan are for the welfare of Detroit. So I let my feet do the talking, I go back once in a while, just to make sure I made the right decision but I've never really never looked back.
 
It's not only a pistol/revolver. According to how MI law is set up, a rifle with a retractable stock that is between 26 and 30 inches with the stock in the closed position in considered a "pistol" and therefore must be registered and you also need a pistol permit to buy it anyway.

What this means is that you should be able to LEGALLY use something like an underfolder AK-47 as a CCW weapon and get away with it, because it is in the eyes of the law, a "pistol". :evil:

I'm sure you may have conflict with the local LE department in your area for trying to put down your ak-47 as a CCW but you obviously would be following the law so they can't do anything to you.
 
Exactly Evil... I'm not allowed to carry a 3" folding knife for self defense or even pepper spray that's potent enough to take down an attacker but I can find ways to legally carry an AK-47 around in a jacket with a CCL...:rolleyes:
 
From my admittedly limited research, you may carry a 3" knife in most areas of Michigan. However, it might behoove you to carry it not for self defense but rather just for general uses. I would never recommend that you say to a cop or other that you were carrying it for self defense.

Furthermore, it looks like you can have any size of Fox Labs pepper spray - one of the best on the market if one goes by their testimonials.

So you are not left totally defenseless. If I were you I would look into the Fox pepper spray.
 
I was told you can carry a knife over 3" providing there is no criminal intent. Dearborn being an exception they have there own law.

It has been discussed several times at http://www.migunowners.org/, PM Mr. Simmons there.

When I was under 21 I carried Fox Labs and a knife, another option is getting a flashlight like a Surefire E2D defender which has a strike bezel.

I am not a lawyer, but he is.


Here is a post by Mr Simmons.

Originally Posted by Jim Simmons
Yeah, the knives thing is a bit complicated. Unfortunately, LEOs make it more complex than it needs to be.

It's a crime to carry a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, if carried with the intent to use it unlawfully against another. That's one specific crime.

Then, there's the concealed weapon law which prohibits carrying a concealed dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person.

For over 50 years, LEOs have tried to merge the 3 inch rule of the first law onto the concealed weapon law. The problem is that unless a folding knife is double-edged, or a "switchblade," covered in yet another statute, then a knife isn't prohibited by this law, even if the blade is longer than three inches.

But cops keep arresting people for carrying knives over three inches in length. And the defendant keep being "offered" a plea to a misdemeanor, or a suspended sentence, or an under advisement deal if they don't contest the charge. And a lot of lawyers aren't completely up to speed on this little nuance of knife law.

And then there are cities like Dearborn that have their own knife ordinance. As I read Dearborn's ordinance, I don't see how someone can buy a set of kitchen knives and take them home in that city. Each ordinance is different, and you need to be careful with each of them.

Bottom line: except where local ordinances prohibit their carry, it is legal to carry a folding knife with a blade longer than 3 inches, as long as you don't intend to use it unlawfully against another person. However, it will likely get you arrested.
 
Wow, and Michigan LEO's wonder why literally every male under 21 in Michigan carries some type of illegal baton, brass knuckles, or switchblades on them...[/B]

Everyone I know does. But...I of course would NEVER carry ANYTHING that I could defend myself with ;)

My advice, get yourself a baseball bat, a couple of mits and a ball. :D
 
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