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"Self defense is a Myth"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Eroc, Apr 17, 2008.

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  1. Eroc

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    I was listening to the local mourning talk show this mourning, and they were having a show to remember Virginia Tech, and their guest was some shmo from the center against handgun violence, who said that "The whole notion of self defense is a myth" and what's worse is that he said nobody had ever been able to prove him wrong, he must have never spoken to anybody with a handy American Rifleman Magazine, with the Armed Citizen section.

    The funny thing is, that the next guest, some guy who wrote a book on how to survive college, restated that self defense is a myth, and that the nobody on campus should be allowed carry handguns (except for wackjobs). And he said that the best thing to do in an 'active shooter' situation is to "Army crawl out of the building."

    I just don't understand these people
     
  2. Dksimon

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    Seems like they have lost touch with reality
     
  3. USMC 1975

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    What would Joe Schmoe from this center do if you handed him a loaded 45 and then brought in 5 gang bangers to ravage, rape and beat his wife ?

    Would he still believe self defense is a myth ?

    Would he use the 45 to stop the attack on his wife ?

    Or would he lay the 45 down and plead his case to the gang bangers verbally ?

    These people are about as dangerous to society as a psychopath with an arsenal of weapons at home. They lead people into a false sense of security and will make the easily convinced believe things that are just not true.

    Chris
     
  4. Eric F

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    I would like to know the rest of their point of view on this. maybe the whole thing makes sense but most likely not.
     
  5. Alexfubar

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    When I was taught to "army crawl" it involved keeping the muzzle of my m16 out of the dirt...

    Maybe the caller meant " "army crawl" Toward the shooter ...
     
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    USMC you said it all!:D
     
  7. Standing Wolf

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    Self-defense is, indeed, a myth to those who can afford armed bodyguards. For us commoners, it's reality.
     
  8. JWarren

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    I could prove him wrong from my own experiences.



    Self-Defense isn't a myth. As John Dryden said:



    -- John
     
  9. woodybrighton

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    if you can throw a burglar out of a window its a good kill :evil:
    but use any sort of weapon and your in deep ****e:fire: in the uk so hit the steroids and bulk up if you want to be safe in the uk .
    though spree killing is pretty rare in the uk.
    unfortunately for the gun control people in the states its way way too late to make any useful gun control law that would be effective.
    a vast number of weapons in circulation
    b hunting, self defense from big scary creatures fact of life
    all you could do is disarm law abiding people fact of the matter an Enfield a hunting shotgun or a mosun could get the same number of kills in a gun free zone probably more as the shooter would have to aim :(
    don't really think ccw on campus's is really an effective answer to be honest but it can't hurt
     
  10. Voodoochile

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    Tis the way I was taught...

    Unfortunatly we live in a world that has the derranged & armed persons that can & possibly will do harm to us & not all the time there will be a officer redily available to take care of these situations where it falls apaun the individules to defend them selves in any way they possibly can.

    Does everyone need to carry a firearm?
    IMO no.
    But to think that self defense is a myth is idiocy, we all should keep up our guard & have a sence that it is possible that we may have to defend our selves.
     
  11. Larry E

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    The Violence Policy Center and Center Against Handgun Violence people live in their own little dream world, believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy no doubt, and never have a care in the world. Well, except for us evil gun owners that is. If they lived in the real world with us commoners they might change their minds - assuming they have minds to change that is. :eek:
     
  12. Deanimator

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    It's the Holocaust revisionist tactic of keep lying until some dummy believes you. Apparently these folks believe that if you tell a sufficiently large and STUPID lie, enough times, people will be so astonished that they won't be able to respond. Too bad for them they're wrong...
     
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    Army Crawl ??!! LOL now thats funny !

    For some reason I read that and got a mental pic of a scene in the movie "The Green Berets" when their camp is being overrun by the VC .

    Soldier gets hit and goes down and David Jansen is helping him up and asks "Can you Walk ?" "Soldier says "No but get me on my feet and I can Run!!!" "

    Why in the world would you "Army Crawl" in an empty hall/stairway when you could make a dash for the door and get out of the building .

    I can see it now left wing students take this moronic advice and the next shooting the killer shoots 100 dummies between the shoulder blades and back of their heads while they try to crawl away !!

    The anti's remind me of an old coworker , every time he did what was the dumbest thing I had ever seen I'd give him a few weeks and he would top it !LOL
     
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    He'd toss the .45, get a video camera and put the whole thing on U-Tube. Some of these guys are MAJOR misogynists, especially the Brits. I had one once tell me that women shouldn't be able to defend themselves with guns because he was afraid that he'd "be mistaken for a rapist and shot". In reply, I asked him how it was that he acted around women that he thought it likely that he'd be "mistaken" for a rapist. I then told him that his best bet was to put down the butcher knife, pull up his pants and go home.
     
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    are you suggesting?

    "Army crawl out of the building."--Captain Obvious

    Gee, Eroc, are you saying that students cannot crawl faster than a speeding bullet?

    Everyone knows madmen always remain standing in one spot.

    What are the chances a murderous maniac would walk up on someone doing an "Army crawl" and shoot them? Come on!!! (Blink.....Blink.....)

    Or are you suggesting that a maniac would shoot someone in the back? What are the odds that a person would be both a maniac and UNETHICAL at the same time?
     
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    What if the lecture hall only has one door? What if the murderer comes for you?

    Running away, or Army crawling away, is a myth.
     
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    The kids at Columbine tried the 'Army crawl' thing. Didn't seem to work.
     
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    You know, I waver sometimes between two responses. On one hand, I get offended by the complete lack of realism in these idiots thinking and feel the need to respond if I can. Other times, (maybe when my meds are working :D) I just assume they are a lost cause and concentrate my efforts on those who are still able to think for themselves. I can't do the thinking for everyone, you know!
     
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    Tuck, Duck and Crawl... Where do these people come up with the notion that self defense does not exist, or that crawling away is safer than shooting a madman in their tracks?

    I hate to say it, but it is herd mentality thinking "I can crawl away and be safe, maybe the others behind me get murdered, but I am safe"...

    This is what a society that claims to be the great protector has bred.
     
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    I was at a social gathering where a group of blissninnies were taking turns picking on a younger girl who had made the error of judgment to mention, in the course of conversation, that she had a CCW permit. (Yeah I thought the same thing...why go to the trouble of getting a permit and then tell everyone at a party?!?)

    So I was just eavesdropping but not participating until some similarly stupid and naïve stuff started coming out of the various mouths and then someone said "well I believe that people don't really want to hurt each other" and I couldn't take it any more. I remained completely calm and used a very "social voice" but I proceeded to describe, in explicit detail, a couple of the more gruesome situations I'd encountered in the past and finished it up with "So basically I've seen with my own eyes that trusting in the mercy of a criminal CAN be a fate worse than death". By the time I was done I think one of the girls ran off to the bathroom to vomit but the group had at least a teeny-tiny clue as to the sort of people that really are out in the world.
     
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    "Army crawl out of the building"

    That will make it nice and easy for the madman to shoot you in the back of the head as you lie in your own urine. Enjoy!
     
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    Self defense is a such a myth that there are only 2.5 million instances of self defense, per year, involving a gun per year according to the the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994. Other studies find that the numbers are higher or lower, but not mythical.

    Data trumps imagination.
     
  23. JoeShmoe

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    I would defend myself and family. :)
     
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    He is absolutely right... :what: :what: :what:

    If you happen to live in New York City, Chicago, or Washington D.C.... :uhoh:

    And aren't part of the Socialist elite.
     
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    Wow. What a fantastic new way to argue. Alright, I'm game.

    "The notion that gun control of any kind is anything other than an attempt to institute fascist police-statism is a myth. And no one's been able to prove me wrong."

    Alright. I'm going offline now. I guess nobody could prove me wrong.
    :neener: (for good measure)
     
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