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My opinion would be to start a general safe storage facility with attention to security and advertise that you can also store firearms. I don't think you would have enough people on firearms alone to sustain the costs of a storage facility but that's just my opinion.

I would also note that if you have a dedicated firearms storage unit its probably worth having temperature/humidity controlled.
 
The gun grabbers in this country would love the government to use just such a facility in all our major cities. I agree the program has merit, just don't like where this concept leads us. Just my thoughts.
 
Well it looks like an FFL may or may not be needed for a non-custody firearm self-storage business. In reality I'm not taking pocession. The customer is renting a storage safe and storing his or her goods, but I'll have to look into this throughly.

In your scenario I think you would need an FFL because you would have access to the firearms as they would be in YOUR safes that you have rented to your customer. That is why I planned to rent space for the customer to place his own safe in. I would have no access to the contents of the safe and I wouldn't know what was in them. If you supplied the safes you would have to charge more to cover the cost of them and I think that would put your prices out of reach of many potential customers.
 
Apparently someone has found a way to make it work - Gunsitters.

That would be a huge upfront cost with a long payback period. I'd expect fireproof and burglar proof in every locker not just premium ones. I imagine a constant 70 degrees with 50% relative humidity though out the building would alleviate any need for individual climate controlled units.

Fire proof should be relatively easy assuming the building is only made from concrete and metal. Avoiding a fire is the only way to go - any fire suppression system will likely ruin the guns.

I'd try and offer video surveillance view able by the client if possible.

Being attached to or next to a range would make the most sense. Having to drive and pickup a your gun, then drive to the range, and then drive back to storage, then drive home would be no fun.

What fees do competitors charge for their services?
 
My gun storage is a hidden place in a home I built myself , family other than my sons and wife don't know that it even exists. It is also protected by its own alarm as is the entire house. I would never use a lock-up like your suggesting.

Fyi here are some reasons why one would use the service:

Reasons where I'm taking custody will require an FFL.

1. In transition into a new home
2. Your selling a home where realtor do not want firearms in the house
3. People facing domestic violence charges
4. People facing restraining orders
5. Soldiers on deployment
6. People with kids in the house
7. Someone facing a gun seizure
8. Parent won't allow in the house
9. Family member in trouble with the law living with you
10. Moving into an apartment or assisted living
 
The liability insurance will be astronomical. If you could get it at all. Talk to your insurance guy and find out. Talk to your local by-law(ordinance) enforcement people too. Insurance costs and local ordinances matter more than anything else.
"...liability will be on them..." Will always be on you if you're accepting money to secure other people's property. Even with a contract you can get sued. Defending against law suits is horrendously expensive even if you win.
A safe with burgular and fire protection, the latter be paramount, start around a grand each.
 
Guns can be dismantled, different parts to friends and family. No one will steal a gun that can't function. No one that lives in my area would ever consider your facility. Again the pandora's box that you would open would negate what little good at first. This concept should be scrapped and proper weapons storage practices should be taught. This is not meant to be disrespectful but I fear another dictator like we just got rid of would relish your well intended concept.
 
There is no good reason to hand your firearms to any one for safe keeping that is any way monitored by the govt. NEVER no NEVER!
 
I looked into storage of my gun collection and was absolutely floored at the cost. I am in Houston and after seeingbthe prices to store between 1 and 8 firearms, I realized storing my 100+ would have broken the bank. Plus there was a waiting list. It might be a better business opportunity than many of you think.
 
If you plan to supply the container will you keep the combination yourself as a backup?
Will you also reset the combination with each customer?
What would be the hours of access?
Would you have a common area where cleaning and gunsmithing could take place?
What activities would be allowed, sales, trades?
Who would be allowed on the premises, friends, family, customers of your customers?
If activities attracted attention of the law and they showed with a warrant how would you protect your customers privacy and confidentiality?
Seems like a very hard way to make a living.
 
I looked into storage of my gun collection and was absolutely floored at the cost. I am in Houston and after seeingbthe prices to store between 1 and 8 firearms, I realized storing my 100+ would have broken the bank. Plus there was a waiting list. It might be a better business opportunity than many of you think.

What did they charge? Name of business?
 
I appreciate all of your replies. There are multiple reasons why one can't or don't want to store firearms' at home. A local range near me offers storage for pistols only. They have roughly 70 stalls and all are full with a waiting list of 8 months - 1 year.

Looking forward to more suggestions, thanks!

I find this fascinating. Do you mind my asking where you live?

Onto the questions, I would not use your business unless you had a range attached. I do have guns that have no other purpose than range fun and I am running out of space so storing at the range makes sense in that case. That said I'd want something for my money...maybe a cleaning before it gets stored? Free basic gunsmithing with my membership?
 
If I had 100 plus guns as in reply 34, I would hire a security firm to guard my weapons when I was gone. It may bring down your insurance costs. Just an idea.
 
I don't think such a business would generate enough income to be profitable.

However, cross your idea with a "smart" locker, maybe resembling an Amazon locker. Then, it could be something that an indoor firing range might buy. Customers would be able to safely store their guns on site, and roadblocks such as insurance might not even be an issue.

Such a thing would have greater sales overseas where gun owners are sometimes required to store their guns at the range.
 
When I moved to an anti gun state, and knew I would be moving back, I wished there was something like this.

I looked into renting regular storage. Guns have been kept in those for many years without needing an ffl because the buyer provids their own lock. The storage facility has no access until they can seize the contents after months of non-payments and legally open the container. Since the storage facility is in the business of providing storage not selling guns, the auction would work like a private sale.

I ended up going with keeping illegal magazines and small parts rendering the gun inoperable in a bank safety deposit box. This was because the storage I found wanted a check mailed or payment made in person. The bank would auto deduct from my checking account getting rid of the possibility of me forgetting to pay and having everything auctioned off.

My advice would be the following:

Make sure there is an easy way for people a good distance away to pay.

Do not let people store guns in a place you have any access and does not permit you to access without a court order to stay away from the possibility of needing an ffl.

Find a location near a shooting range to advertise, but do not directly do business with them if they have an ffl. Any mistake they make in their books could result in you having to drill all safes and turn them over to the ATF.

Find a location near large metropolitan region with restrictive gun laws and move to the next state. New Hampshire and Indiana would be the best places I can think of due to the large population of Boston and Chicago and short drive. California looks good until you realize LA and San Francisco are an entire day round trip to get access the border. Driving from NYC to Pennsylvania is doable. A location in Virginia servicing DC would be in the middle.

Make sure the building is constructed of concrete and steel to prevent fires. Make sure it is well above any flood zones.

Having an employee with CCTV 24/7 will keep robberies and theft from happening. No one can drill a safe quick enough for employees watching monitors from calling the police. Keeping the employees locked in a bullet proof room will make sure they can call the police.

Having the AC on when it gets hot out should prevent most rust. Make sure you sell rust preventive on site to stop the rest and make a little extra money.

Requiring an initial safety depose should soften the blow of the initial startup costs. It can be easily sold as a way of paying to have the safe drilled and filing paperwork through an attorney in the event of non-payments.
 
When I moved to an anti gun state, and knew I would be moving back, I wished there was something like this.

I looked into renting regular storage. Guns have been kept in those for many years without needing an ffl because the buyer provids their own lock. The storage facility has no access until they can seize the contents after months of non-payments and legally open the container. Since the storage facility is in the business of providing storage not selling guns, the auction would work like a private sale.

I ended up going with keeping illegal magazines and small parts rendering the gun inoperable in a bank safety deposit box. This was because the storage I found wanted a check mailed or payment made in person. The bank would auto deduct from my checking account getting rid of the possibility of me forgetting to pay and having everything auctioned off.

My advice would be the following:

Make sure there is an easy way for people a good distance away to pay.

Do not let people store guns in a place you have any access and does not permit you to access without a court order to stay away from the possibility of needing an ffl.

Find a location near a shooting range to advertise, but do not directly do business with them if they have an ffl. Any mistake they make in their books could result in you having to drill all safes and turn them over to the ATF.

Find a location near large metropolitan region with restrictive gun laws and move to the next state. New Hampshire and Indiana would be the best places I can think of due to the large population of Boston and Chicago and short drive. California looks good until you realize LA and San Francisco are an entire day round trip to get access the border. Driving from NYC to Pennsylvania is doable. A location in Virginia servicing DC would be in the middle.

Make sure the building is constructed of concrete and steel to prevent fires. Make sure it is well above any flood zones.

Having an employee with CCTV 24/7 will keep robberies and theft from happening. No one can drill a safe quick enough for employees watching monitors from calling the police. Keeping the employees locked in a bullet proof room will make sure they can call the police.

Having the AC on when it gets hot out should prevent most rust. Make sure you sell rust preventive on site to stop the rest and make a little extra money.

Requiring an initial safety depose should soften the blow of the initial startup costs. It can be easily sold as a way of paying to have the safe drilled and filing paperwork through an attorney in the event of non-payments.
Bill50, thank you for all the awesome ideas and feedback. Very helpful!
 
I think the key to avoiding a FFL is who controls the lock. I think it best if the customer controls the lock (via key or combo). Your security would be there to make sure people aren't coming in with bolt cutters to remove someone's lock (other than maybe their own which you'd need to verify). What happens if someone falls into non-payment? Do you cut off the lock and seize the contents? If so, you may need an FFL.

If you go with a classic gun safe with built in lock, how do you prevent someone from changing the combo (easy to do if you can get to the back of the lock and have a reset key)? Now you'd have to break into it if they don't pay and want to seize the contents. If you drill the lock, you'll need to replace it and they aren't cheap. I'd provide (for sale or rent) a high quality combo or key padlock that you have the tools to cut off and avoid built in locks.

You could expand to other clientele. Perhaps gold/silver stackers. But whether its is guns or precious metals, people are going to be paranoid about accessing their stuff (what if you go out of business and no one can access the safes, banks can have a "bank holiday" when you need things the most)? How you balance ease of access (like a normal storage unit that you can just walk up to and open even if the place is "closed") -vs- security (monitoring people who should not be there or are attempting to break into a container) seems difficult.
 
So you rent a storage unit to store your guns in.

Some one gets wind of it.

They rent the storage unit next to yours.

They go in theirs, close the door, cut through the wall and have plenty of time to get into the safe or whatever else you've got them stored in.
 
So you rent a storage unit to store your guns in.

Some one gets wind of it.

They rent the storage unit next to yours.

They go in theirs, close the door, cut through the wall and have plenty of time to get into the safe or whatever else you've got them stored in.
Precisely, this is one of the issues with general self storage.
 
I can think of a few cases where this would be a viable service, especially if located along a high traffic road heading into a restrictive locale. E.g. along i10 or i15 into California, or a road into Mexico or Canada. People travelling the US, or moving to restrictive places, who have locally prohibited items (e.g. Taurus Judge in California), might want to rent a safe outside the state.

Unfortunately, if you set it up right the government would freak out. "Bad people could use it as a blind drop for weapons!" Never mind that the same can be said for any storage business and an awful lot of public land if you have a shovel and a GPS. I suspect they would make up rules just to shut you down.
 
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I can see how having a facility like this near a military base could certainly pay off. Soldiers on the appointment would pay to store their guns. So would people on the borders of restrictive states.

If the larger facility itself is secure the individual gun lockers don't need to be quite as strong as a typical RSC. Assuming someone monitors it, a cheap sheet-metal gun locker would be sufficient because security would stop someone using burglar tools on someone else's safe. The proprietor could sell the gun locker to the person renting the storage space, and make sure only the renter has the key. If the renter leaves, they would sell it back to the owner. That way the owner does not own the storage container, merely the space it's located in. That might avoid the legal problem of a transfer of ownership, since the facility owner would not actually have access to the stored guns.

If the person wanted they could bring their own safe. All the facility owner is doing is renting them a place to put it, and allowing them the privilege of bolting it to the concrete floor. And also charging them a fee for controlling access to the facility where the storage locker is located.
 
From what I've read in this thread, I'm still thinking just selling it as a storage facility with active security and monitoring that happens to also accept people storing guns would be the way to go.
 
Above, there was what might be the key to this.
What you probably want to do is to have a Secure Storage Facility, and offer different levels of security.
Part of that is Zoning. Municipalities that have zoning, will have a zoning classification of r secure storage (it will be presumed to be climate controlled). Those which only use IBC or some form of IBC, will create some bottlenecks in what form of Class S Occupancy. (Note, you will have to have language that bars storage of ammunition and powder--or you will wind up in H-5 or H-2 Occupancy, which is a lot more expensive to build--and even harder to lease and Tenant Improve.)

In all likely hood your best bet will be Type I construction--I'd start from a premise of all CMU construction with either precast floors or concrete plank construction. I'd figure on having a range of cubicles, with 4", 6", and 8" thick partitions to increase the security of each progressively. I'd probably start with a 60/30/10 split on those. The thin partition walls would be most numerous and least "protective" (not that smacking down a 4x16x8 partition with #3 bars vertically at 16" O.C. would be all that easy).

I'd layer the security. You'd have to have a gate code or card. Then a code or card for the entry door. I'd probably have a card/code protected door at each of the levels of security, too. The customer would then be on the hook for how to lock their individual unit. You would have no master key--only the ability to lock the customer out for non-payment. That gets you out from under any handling of customer items--a key element of keeping your liability costs in control. So, that would look like a door with a deadbolt (your use) and an empty hole for the customer's lockset (their use).

I would not buy a single safe, let that be a customer choice. Instead, use the best most secure doors with frames anchored and fully grouted into the walls. Springing for "vault style" doors on the most secure units might be a nice touch to help those upsell.

Which going to wind up being an expensive building to build, no way around it. Even with almost no interior finish, this is still going to be $175-210/sf to build. Which means your architect needs to look into getting the modules precast, and merely stacking them. Which would leave only yhe corridors, stair towers, and elevator shaft to build on site.

The real question winds up being how much will it cost to climate control the building. Also how much will it cost to hire a reliable person to monitor the building, the parking lots, and such during the business hours. You will already be on the hook for a spendy fire alarm system (the fire marshal is not letting you build without one); you may be on the hook for a security system and a heft license fee to the local PD for that, too. You will also have to keep up with all your security equipment, too.

As a customer base, I'd advertise heavily among the professional set. Architects, engineers, lawyers and the like have all sorts of need for off-site storage of documents (and, increasingly, electronic storage devices). Those people may also need to store personal items of value. That cohort will also know people who have the money to pay for all this.

That's my 2¢ at least.
 
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