Selling a gun over the net.

[harmonic]

If an individual wants to sell a gun to someone out of state, the gun must go to the buyer's FFL. Question: How does the seller know that the person receiving the firearm is a FFL?

The reason I ask is because my understanding is that FFLs do not give copies of their license to private citizens.

 

[woof]

The FFL holder needs to send a signed copy of his certificate. My FFL gives copies to me to send to whoever I want. Note that if the gun being sent is a handgun it has to go through an FFL on both ends.

 

[CountGlockula]

Have the buyer's FFL dealer fax over the license to the seller's FFL and vice versa.

 

[harmonic]

Note that if the gun being sent is a handgun it has to go through an FFL on both ends.

Are you sure? Because I just talked to the shop that receives stuff I buy and they said if the handgun is going to a FFL, I can send it myself. Kind of like how I send handguns to gunsmiths.

 

[nalioth]

Note that if the gun being sent is a handgun it has to go through an FFL on both ends.

No, it must go overnight from private individual to FFL. Between FFL dealers, handguns can go regular mail or however they choose.

 

[Desk Jockey]

my understanding is that FFLs do not give copies of their license to private citizens.

My FFL keeps a few signed copies handy at all times. When I'm ready to buy another gun over the net, I walk in and he hands me one.

 

[nalioth]

You sell a nice gun to BillyBob on THR.

You ask BillyBob to send you an FFL from his receiving dealer. Some dealers won't send private individuals their FFLs, so have them send their license to your FFL guy.

Have a look at the FFL you receive, and go here: https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck and check it out. The reason a lot of FFLs won't deal with "Joe Unlicensed" is that that some ol' Joes photoshop FFLs and pretends they're an FFL. Checking via the ATF EZCheck covers your butt.

After all the paperwork checks out, send BillyBobs FFL dealer the firearm in whichever method you desire. Handguns must ship overnight, long guns can ship however you like.

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However, I have seen folks who sell guns, look up the receiving dealer on the EZCheck and send it w/o having a paper copy. I am not saying yay or nay that this is for everyone, but that I've seen it done. This method will save a lot of time, if an online payment system is involved.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

I would not deal with an FFL that couldn't give me a copy of his/her license if I had need of it--and FFL's are 'private citizens' like everyone else in the herd--they just pay extra for being 'special'.

You should seek legal advice regarding shipping the pistol as described--my best advice is to have an FFL in your state handle the transaction for a fee.

FedEx, UPS, etc. are not going to want to ship your pistol if you do not have an FFL---and you have to tell them that you are shipping a pistol.

 

[CountGlockula]

Neo-Luddite: I would not deal with an FFL that couldn't give me a copy of his/her license if I had need of it...

HUGE +1. You can always shop around. There are some FFL dealers out there that don't know the laws which is scary. Here were are, your average Joe, trying to do things the 'right' way and shiesty FFL dealer provides you the wrong way of doing things.

Buyer be VERY aware.

 

[nalioth]

FedEx, UPS, etc. are not going to want to ship your pistol if you do not have an FFL---and you have to tell them that you are shipping a pistol.

UPS has always been fine when I show them the delivery address and FFL address (that I take with me) match.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

My point largely being, an FFL makes it easier--many employees do not understand the policies if they don't handle firearms for shippment often.

 

[bluetopper]

I do not have an FFL and I have sold many handguns via Gunbroker. You do not need to go through an FFL on your end.

 

[hotpig]

You always need to check with the buyers FFL. Some FFL holders will not accept a gun from a individual that is out of state.

 

[woof]

One FFL in my area told me that if he received a handgun and it was not from an FFL he was obliged to call BATF. I guess if this is incorrect it just goes to show how much misinformation is out there.

 

[bl4ckd0g]

Make sure you get a good reference for your FFL holder that will process your sale. It will make sense to pay more for someone who you can expect to get done right the first time.

My last "sale" was lost in limbo for a month since the dealer screwed up the postage on my shotgun.

 

[MisterPX]

FFL's not sending copies to individuals, or not accepting shipments form individi=uals is the FFL's perogative. I make sure that the buyer knows that if their FFL will not accept from an individual, that they'll cover the cost of your FFL.

Furthermore, you should use the ATF's instacheck to verify the authenticity of the FFL. As a private individual, you don't need teh receivers FFL copy, just their number to verify. Even if you get a copy of it, verify it. I could print up an FFL to send to you to have stuff sent to my house, if you don't verify, you'll never know.