Selling the 1911 and going Tupperware?

[jmr40]

I read a little quote a few years on some gun forum, maybe here that is pretty accurate. "My Colts and Kimbers are the guns I show off to my friends, my Glocks are the guns I show to my enemies." If you are going to use it for personal protection then the Glock is a no brainer. If you can afford both there is nothing wrong with having both. It is just a matter of priorities. I have no problem selling guns I don't use but in my case I have both. If money were tight and I had to keep only one, the 1911's would go first.

 

[MagnunJoe]

I have 2 Glocks & 2 1911s. Glock 19 is my EDC. Glock 26 is my stay in the car in 130 degree Florida heat gun. My 1911s are my toys to shoot at the range with dirty, cheap Russian Wolf ammo but will never trust them to defend my life.
And life goes on.

 

[Sapper771]

I recommend keeping your 1911 and getting the Glock you want.

I switched from carrying 1911s to carrying Glocks. I have owned low, mid , and high end 1911's, but I only have one now and it stays in the safe. I like it and feel that as an American, I need to own at least one.

The Glocks have served me very well for the last 7 years.

 

[burk]

I do want to make one thing clear. I trust the reliability of my Kimber, it has been 100% reliable. I had some issues with the ejection pattern (an occasional face flyer) until I switched to Wolff Xpower springs. But the gun has always eaten all the factory ammo I feed it. It just requires a bit more care and attention.

I also have no problem with carrying in condition One, I've done it for years in a Milt Sparks Versa Max II and never pulled the gun out of the Holster to discover the safety engaged during carry. My only concern carrying is backcountry carry (inside a pair of waders fly-fishing). The outside of the Kimbers carbon steel barrel is already showing a little bit of pitting. And I wipe it down and lube it after every trip.

 

[MCMXI]

"My Colts and Kimbers are the guns I show off to my friends, my Glocks are the guns I show to my enemies."

I'd like to meet the 14 year old that came up with that ridiculous phrase.

I own seven 1911s but don't use any of them for CC. I much prefer a Ruger KLCR but I don't plan on showing it to my enemies.

 

[royal barnes]

I would eat more beans and tuna, save some money, keep the Kimber and buy the Glock. At that price you could sell the tupperwear and turn a nice profit.

 

[tipoc]

I don't have a dog in this fight. Folks like what they like and will buy and sell plenty of guns in their lifetimes. What a fella claims to be the best today may change in 5 years give or take. Glocks work well, though I lean to the S&W M&P in plastic.

But I noticed that earlier in this thread a fellas posted a link to this website and article...

http://pistol-training.com/

where, he said, the author explained how the 1911 isn't for everyone (I agree with that) and can be troublesome. I read this though on his test of a 1911 in 9mm at 50,000 rounds...

Durability: Another major myth of the 1911 is that the small parts break frequently and that you “need to be your own gunsmith” to survive ownership. It took 18,000 rounds to break the first part, a mainspring housing pin that wasn’t discovered until the pistol was disassembled and which never diminished the gun’s function in any way. Springfield sent out an improved pin as replacement and it’s still in perfect condition today.

The ejector broke… twice. The first time was just past 30,000 rounds and the second was at 46,000 rounds. In both cases, the gun continued to run for hundreds of rounds without any trouble. Springfield fixed it promptly both times. The cause of the breakages: the 10-round Wilson ETM magazines were striking the ejector upon insertion. This also happens with the Metalform and Tripp magazines I have, but not with the factory supplied Springfield 9-round magazines. It’s only fair to say that had I used the factory magazines, these two breakages never would have happened.

The slide stop notch began to round a bit at the 30,000 mark and Springfield touched it up when the gun was back for the ejector replacement.

Except for some holster wear on the exterior and cycling wear on the rails, the gun is pretty much good as new.

tipoc

 

[Bobson]

This. Money is an issue, I can sell the Pro CDP, and buy both the 21 and a 30SF and maybe even have some cash left over. Funds are really tight right now. If I could afford both I'd love to have a couple of 1911's around, but the reality is as tools the Glocks make more sense.

Sounds like you have a logical answer. I think if I were in your shoes, I'd like to hold on to a nice, reliable 1911, even though I've actually never owned one. Thing is, if the Glock makes more sense, go with that. I'd certainly never fault a man for choosing the logical path over the emotional one. A gun is just a tool, whether it's a beautiful 1911 or an ugly Glock. The more useful that tool is to you, the more beautiful it becomes.

 

[jimbo555]

If switching to Glocks works for you,then go for it. For me I don't care for the grip angle,thickness and lack of a positive safety. I prefer xd's version of Tupperware. But I'm keeping my 1911.

 

[HarcyPervin]

I would eat more beans and tuna, save some money, keep the Kimber and buy the Glock.

This. I'm not really a fan of Glocks, but I have and will use one when the time is right. I also try to keep my guns out of the equation when money is tight. Yes, I could sell a few and have some extra cash or I could re-evaluate other aspects in my life.

If you absolutely don't want to own more than one gun, then make the call.

 

[burk]

Well I put the 21 in layaway today. A Gen3 that looks almost brand new with 3 mags is hard to pass up for $349. I'll have to shoot it, I've always liked the SF better, but with a two hand grip it feels comfortable enough. It's a big gun, but I don't intend to conceal it. It will be my range/nightstand with a light on it gun.

I'm going to wait on the 30SF until I've shot the 21. I tried an M & P (full size) as an alternative to a 1911 and while I shot it great, I despised the trigger and was very off put by the workmanship, especially the magazines which fit poorly, and were even more poorly constructed. But the 30SF makes a ton of sense as an alternative to my CDP. 10 +1 capacity, able to deal with the elements without fuss, and it'll take mags from my 21.

Part of my reasoning Is I don't like using the CDP as a range gun, it's an alloy frame and kicks a bit more, not bad, but I was looking for the full size 1911 for that duty. I just can't lay out a $1100 plus to do it, plus $250 worth of ammo to break it in. And it makes me think if I have the 21 for range time, I should carry the 30sf, on other words practice with the platform I carry.

 

[VetPsychWars]

Part of my reasoning Is I don't like using the CDP as a range gun, it's an alloy frame and kicks a bit more, not bad, but I was looking for the full size 1911 for that duty. I just can't lay out a $1100 plus to do it, plus $250 worth of ammo to break it in. And it makes me think if I have the 21 for range time, I should carry the 30sf, on other words practice with the platform I carry.

Perhaps you might look into a small-radius firing pin stop.

Tom

 

[TennJed]

One day you will mature and come to your senses and get rid of the glocks and 1911s and buy a revolver. It is not for everyone, just the ones with taste

 

[burk]

I had an LCR, and sold it, I just didn't like the power to size/weight ratio verse the LC9. but I'd buy a 4" 44 mag or .460 for Bear country in a heartbeat if I had the money. It's actually the next gun on the list. I fly-fish AK every other year, and I plan to get out to Yellowstone one of these days. We see a ton of Bears in AK, Katmai is loaded with them, but they're well fed. The bears in MT scare me though they have to scrounge for food. And I'm a slow easy to catch morsel in a pair of waders.

 

[Got_Lead?]

As a rule, a field grade 1911 won't require break-in. If you are fortune enough to have one that is put together like a Swiss watch, count your blessings!

 

[burk]

As a rule, a field grade 1911 won't require break-in. If you are fortune enough to have one that is put together like a Swiss watch, count your blessings!

You may have a point, I should just buy one of the sloppy out of spec Sigs with an outside ejector.

I just really like Kimbers, and I can't get any deals on Dan Wessons or Colts. They are Swiss Watch tight out of the box and they just feel right, especially compared to the Sigs and Smiths in the same price rage. The improvements in fit and finish are noticeable. But with Kimbers, you really do have to run about 400 hundred rounds of ball ammo before you even try HP's.

 

[Got_Lead?]

I would agree, my Kimber took a few hundred rounds to break in. I helped it by lapping the chamber and throating it slightly. After that, it would feed even the most difficult lead SWC's.

 

[stressed]

I had a .45 para ordinance warthawg doublestack, and it was far more attractive then my G29, however I never used it and ended up selling it to my buddy. The glock is ugly as hell, but I like thy caliber and that I can count on it.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Well lets see who else agrees with my assessment of whethe a 1911 is not for everyone

Personally, I don't care what these other people say, most especially when what they seem to be spouting is tripe.

Most people are better off not carrying a 1911. They require maintenance and an above average willingness to be your own gunsmith of sorts if you use them more than an occasional range toy.

No disrespect for your own personal choice in firearms, but this statement is horse pucky. I own a 1911 platform (1991A1) and the only "maintenance" or role playing as a "gunsmith" that I've ever done is to routinely clean it, as I would any other firearm. And that's 22 years of ownership behind that 1991A1.

I've fired many 1911's over the last three decades and know many people with 1911's. Not a single one of these people had any such issues with their 1911's.


Glocks are fine weapons by any measure, ugly as I think they are. And if any person wants to own one, more power to them.

But buying a 1911 ain't gonna require the owner to be a shade tree mechanic any more than buying a Glock will require the owner to wear beer goggles to appreciate its looks.


FOR THE OP:

My opinion is if you want to "go Tupperware", then simply buy yourself a Glock and be done with it. Ain't no reason to get rid of any gun to do that. Lots of good reasons to keep a perfectly good gun, and much fewer to get rid of one. If nothing else, it's an extra gun you can take to the range with a buddy, or maybe gift someone some day, maybe even as an heirloom.

 

[savanahsdad]

wow,, the glock fanboys are getting me worried about my 1911, I think I have only done a full strip down cleaning 3 times in the last 5 years not sure when I cleaned it last ? I know I have ran 6 boxes of cast SWC (300rounds) 10 boxes of Berries plated RN's a box or two of Ranger SXT's and a brick or two of UMC ball ammo ... so about 1400 rounds or so , I run a wet mop down the bore , clean the ramp, and a drop of oil here and there , every time I come home from the range ,,,I'm starting to wonder how many of you pull the heads on your car to change the oil ,

to the OP, if a glock is what you want , then get one , I myself would get a SS 1911 and take as little care of it as you want , you would have less things rusting on a SS 1911 in the rain than you would on a glock anyway

 

[Marty183]

Keep them both. You will regret not having a 1911 in the stable, and will wind up buying another one eventually....

I agree wholeheartedly...I love my Glocks but the 1911 platform is classic...

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[Manny]

I did get rid of my 1911 and go all Glock and have no regrets at all. Not that it was a bad pistol at all, it was a Kimber as well and never stuttered. I just fall in to the catagory of person that views guns as working tools not pieces of functional art. Also I epitomize the Larry Vickers comment of "treating my guns the way all of us treat our lawnmowers", and the Glock is better suited for that.

My only issue with the OP's plan is that the grip of the standard G21 is just too large for me and my stubby fingers. The SF, both in 21 & 30 fits like a glove however. But considering the deal he's getting on the G21 he could get a grip reduction if it becomes an issue. The 30SF is the true gem in my book and sounds ideal for his flyfishing use.

 

[bigmike45]

I have always been a 1911 guy, and experience an occasional stove pipe or failure to feed, just like any other autoloaded does, but only in my shorter than 5" 1911's. Even those are almost flawless and I have done nothing to them. Keep in mind the JMB Masterpiece that we all know as the 1911, was a 5" gun. Believe it or not everything else is a bastardization of a masterpiece. I own and carry several of those of which I speak. Now I am open minded so let me say I bought two Glocks, both 5", one 45 & one 10mm, my favorite calibers.

When I grip my 1911's, close my eyes and raise them to shooting level, then open my eyes, the sights are almost perfectly aligned, even with a one hand hold. This is not the case with either Glock.

I took them to the range and put 100 rounds through all 4. They all shot without any problems and I shot handloads in them, not factory ammo.

My 1911's shot more accurately than the Glocks, and I am sure it was a combination of two reasons. One I have been shooting the 1911 for over 30 years and only 2 years with the Glocks. The second being the Glocks do not fit my hand well because of the grip shape, width and angle. I understand the newer versons are different.

Now lets talk about asthetics...yes the look of the gun means a lot to me. Its like either driving a cadillac or an impala. Both are General Motors Cars and both will get you from point A to point B....but the cadillac will get you there more comfortably and in a little classier style. The Glock is uglier than a mud fence where the 1911 is a piece of machined beauty, and properly blued..well, like I said a masterpiece.

I no longer have trhe Glocks, sold them both to a lover of the Glock and he happily shoots them with me, side by side at the range.

Do I trust the 1911, with my life....yes, and 4" version is my main carry and on my hip as I type.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I like 1911's and poly guns both, and own both. Poly has its uses, but so does a 1911.

Poly is a tool, a 1911 is a tool and an heirloom.

I see no reason to restrict your buying unless you really just don't care about 1911s.

Now Kimber 1911s is another story. I won't own one due to a bad experience with one, and their customer relations. Don't like the company, so I won't buy their guns. JMO. Lots of happy Kimber owners out there.

The only reason I ever get rid of a gun is if I lose interest in it and don't care about shooting it anymore. Has happened many times to me. Regret none of my trades.

 

[CountGlockulla]

No disrespect for your own personal choice in firearms

I have and carry both 1911s and Glocks. I dont hate either platform and have used both extensively. A properly setup 1911 with some good magazines makes for a great carry gun.

However for the OP I believe a Glock 30sf is the way to go for his situation. He mentioned specifically that he has a Kimber and his gun gets wet. Kimber's stainless steel barrels have well-documented problems with rusting easily in such environments. Me personally, I’ve had 3 do this.

Personally, I don't care what these other people say, most especially when what they seem to be spouting is tripe.

With all do respect that shows your ignorance. Those are two of the most well respected 1911 gunsmiths in the world. Those guys have extensive experience using the platform in military and police operations. When they do take the time to build a 1911 they sell for over $5K easily.

I own a 1911 platform (1991A1) and the only "maintenance" or role playing as a "gunsmith" that I've ever done is to routinely clean it, as I would any other firearm. And that's 22 years of ownership behind that 1991A1.

What is horsepucky is basing your assertations around a sample size on 1. How often do you shoot your gun? 500 rounds a year on a static range? Also do you mean to say that in owning that gun for 22 years you have never changed even the recoil spring?

wow,, the glock fanboys are getting worried about my 1911, I think I have only done a full strip down cleaning 3 times in the last 5 years not sure when I cleaned it last ? I know I have ran 6 boxes of cast SWC (300rounds) 10 boxes of Berries plated RN's a box or two of Ranger SXT's and a brick or two of UMC ball ammo ... so about 1400 rounds or so , I run a wet mop down the bore , clean the ramp, and a drop of oil here and there , every time I come home from the range ,,,I'm starting to wonder how many of you pull the heads on your car to change the oil

1400 rounds in five years. You have not even gotten past the point of needing to change your first recoil spring yet. Sarcastic answers do not make up for lack of experience.