Senator says US may need compulsory service to boost Iraq force

[oneslowgun]

As a side note..

No there WONT be a draft.

BUT, if there was a real need for one, the BEST move the Gov'ment could make, would be to draft 35-45 year olds.

Why you ask? ( Yes I know that we might be considered "over the hill") Well I could give (at least) hundreds of reasons, but keep this little thought in your head....

(Those of you that have also served, I dont need to see you, I know you are knodding your head)

A platoon of 18 yr old conscripts would ask the question "What is it I'm supposed to do?"

A platoon of 35-45 yr olds only question would be "Next?"

Dont get me wrong, I DONT think that 18 yr. olds, or conscripts would be unqualified, or under trained, I am simply making two points with one statement..

1) We (As 35-45 yr. olds) understand not only "mortality" (our own and others), but "necessity" (as in the situation). Think about that.. And..

2) At this point in our life, (us 35-45 yr. olds) we have learned that when a job needs to be done, you do it NOW, you do it WELL, and you FINISH it.

NO disrespect intended to our younger servicemen....I "signed the line" 3 months before my 18th birthday.

Us "old folks" may not be able to "doubletime" a 65 pound pack, rifle, and ammo up a mountain, or even a good sized hill, but when we DO get to the top, we WILL hold it. Just because we dont want to have to do it again!

Its not how fast you get there, its what you do WHEN you get there.

 

[CaesarI]

Socialists LIE

K, refresher course: Socialists LIE.

The ONLY reason w4rma says this:

Imho, the draft will start very soon after the November elections. They're softening us up for it, now.

Is so people like dave3006 will say stuff like this:

I'm not sacrificing my son for a bunch of sand money towel heads. Pull everyone out and drop the big one.

It's PROPOGANDA and they use it because it works.

Democrats don't *really* support the draft their using it in margin states where the population supports the war, but John Doe "swing voter" supports the war, but only if he doesn't have to risk losing his son.

These threads should *really* be deleted.

-Morgan

 

[LD]

There is not going to be a draft. Just the lefties doing their usual fear mongering. Scare the kids and parents = votes.

I was out shopping with the wife about a week ago and rather than accompany my wife into her favorite fabric store (I hate that place - must be a man thing) I decided to wander around on my own. Just for grins I wandered into the local recruiting office to see how things were going and swap a few stories. Every one of them told me that business is REAL good and that they have absolutely no problem meeting their enlistment goals. In fact most said their monthly goals were met within the first week or two of the month. The Marine recruiter said that if he'd known it was going to that easy and boring he'd have chosen sea duty or embasy duty instead of a recruiting billet.

We'd have to have some whopping big attrition to need to institute a draft. I don't even want to contemplate the scenario that would cause those kinds of losses. IMHO, if we ever get to that point it's going to be pretty ugly and each and every one of us will need to be loading up for bear.

Let the social utopian lefties spout their drivel. We all know that they're just pathetic leeches.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I accept. Hopefully, we won't have to find out what the Neo-cons will do as America will boot them out of power.

Excellent. Though I am quite serious about it so don't accept it if you don't mean it or don't plan to hang around after the election. Then again, I guess I can always catch you when you come back to warn of the dangers of re-electing Republicans during the 2008 election.

 

[bountyhunter]

Senator says US may need compulsory service to boost Iraq force

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Correia]

bountyhunter, did you read any of the previous 3 pages of well reasoned responses about why this is a null issue, or is DUHHHH your knee jerk reaction to anything relating to George Bush?

 

[GEM]

They should draft 55 year olds and supply Viagra with the MREs.

There won't be a draft because:

1. It would have to affect men and women and no exemptions or National Guard summer camps for the rich.

2. With don't ask, don't tell in place - everyone objecting to service can just say I'm gay and walk out. The stigma is gone except in Crackerville. So the military will be full of homophobic dudes too stupid to lie.

3. If a draft was really in and the war was being handled as stupidly as today - any President won't want to risk a mutiny and the next election.

 

[Ghost]

oneslowgun,

Thanks for your support, but don't worry, us younguns will handle your lightwork for you, you earned a break course if you really feel the need, your offer of backup would be appreciated and I'll carry your pack for you myself if it's a littlle heavy (Hell, all you oldtimer types can likely outshoot me anyways ).

You know, I'm getting really tired of politicians referring to my fiancee, all of the fine people I served with, those that came before, and myself as being lower class (she's currently in Iraq, I'm currently in school using my GI Bill for a degree so I can be a dumb 2ndLt instead of a smart ass Cpl). Since I am here in Nebraska, perhaps I should pay the honorable Senator a visit and revert to my "lower class" Montana roots and take a piss on his office floor since I'm obviously not used to indoor plumbing (everybody knows us dumb grunt jarheads are just plain uncivilized anyhow, in addition to being the scum of the earth lower class types).

I don't understand why this issue keeps coming up. The current AVF does not in any way shape or form support a draft.

 

[EghtySx]

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[BowStreetRunner]

i would like to add my voice to the reasoned others who believe as i do that the draft talk (some of it coming from the "visionary" Congressman Rangel from NY) is a lame attempt for politicos to get attention and spread fear about the Bush Admin.
BSR

 

[cracked butt]

BUT, if there was a real need for one, the BEST move the Gov'ment could make, would be to draft 35-45 year olds.

If you lowered the age to 30 year olds, I'd side with ya.
I wanted to go into the military when I graduated from HS in 1991- was turned down by the Marine Corps and Army because of some minor damage my spine took in a car accident- I crushed a lumbar vertebrae, it healed, I feel fine, but the military doesn't see it that way.

After 9/11 I realized that I wnted to do more for this country as I feel like I haven't done much in my life except to be another cog in the corporate world.

I'm sorry, but the situation Bush, Jr. has gotten us into is MUCH different from the the military engagements under Bush I or Clinton. The most recent comparison would be the Vietnam War under Nixon.

Man that has ot to be some good glue you have been huffing. Bush I screwed the pooch by not taking out Saddam, Clinton simply did alot of screwing of women that looked like pooches instead of taking care of the business of defending our country. The Johnson Administration is the one that royally screwed the pooch in Vietnam, and the administration before him (Kennedy) got us into that war, Nixon was let with a huge mess to clean up, and brought the troops home.

Since Bush II has been in office, we have been attacked on our soil. That's enough for me to accept our country picking off every terrorist supporting dictator that we please.

 

[Pendragon]

Conscription = Slavery


I cannot believe how transparent this whole scheme is. Support for the war is tenuous even now with it going pretty well - despite the recent casualties.

Why do we need a draft? We don't.

Maybe we needed the draft in WWII - I don't know. But the war we fought then was one against several empires with well developed war machines who were invading countries and sinking ships at an alarming rate.

The effort required to win WWII took the entire country sacrificing and working to get it done. We did not have an obvious technological advantage.

What did it take to break the back of Iraqs military? Money and tech and we have a hell of a lot of it.

Now we are just doing cleanup - rounding up the thugs and squashing the little outposts that still have delusions of hope or significance.


The left is upset because:

1. The war effort has been successful.
2. The casualties have been low
3. There has been almost no pain in the country (other than in the families of the fallen) from this war.

By suggesting that a draft may occur:

1. You may worry some people that our effectiveness may decline due to the quality of conscripts.
2. Casualties may increase - either out of necessity due to ground fighting or possibly due to poor performance on the part of draftees.
3. You put much of the country (those that believe you at least) in actual fear of pain.

A lot of people are ok with the war because it's not costing them anything that they can see. The lefties want to change this.

 

[Obiwan]

Evil genius at work...really

Rumors about the draft to make President Bush look bad.

Fortunately...only the intellectually challenged will believe them

Unfortunately ...some of them are in Congress