Serious Election Question. Please no flames.

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I am almost afraid to ask this question because of the ridicule that will probably be heaped upon me.

If the following is true: Bush is 62% evil. Kerry is 88% Evil. The LP has no chance of winning the presidency.

Then what can I do to show that being "only" 62% evil is unacceptable.

I understand that Kerry is worse for most things that I love, but Bush still appears to be awful. I am afraid of giving consent to all of the things that he has done that I despise.

I do not want to try to prove why I think that Bush is 62% evil. I don't want to hear what will happen if Kerry is elected. I don't want to hear about the LP. I just want to know what to do when the lesser of two evils is still mad crazy evil.

I have asked similar questions before, but the thread always gets dragged into the mud. I am hoping to avoid that this time. Lets stick to THR.
 
Slap Dubya's party members up side the haid. Take out your frustration // rage on members of his party. Create the mother of all gridlocks. Constipate congress.

Inflict maximum damage on all those spineless elected officials who go along with whatever Bush proposes. Bush wants XYZ for supreme court nomination? No, and the reason is you sir want that person.

Maximum gridlock.
 
You've got my sympathies. Those and $3.00 will get you a cup of coffee.

I'm having a hard time choosing between voting for the lesser of two evils and voting my conscience. I've stopped sending money to the Republicrat party and diverted it to the N.R.A. and G.O.A., but that's dollars, not my vote.

If it looks like a close election, I'll probably feel more inclined to vote for the lesser of two evils—with disgust.
 
Bush is the better

Hwever I do agree that e is not the perfect choice. Of course perfection is always the enemy of good.
 
I'll vote my conscience. My conscience tells me not to let Kerry get elected President.

Of course I think Bush is only 58% evil, and Kerry is 96% evil, so it's an easier choice for me.
 
If the following is true: Bush is 62% evil. Kerry is 88% Evil
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I do not want to try to prove why I think that Bush is 62% evil
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Now hold on there, big fella...those numbers are fairly precise. Sounds to me like you might have put a little thought into arriving at them. If you did, how about just sharing with us how you did it; I'm interested and curious. And I am certainly not in a position to put ridicule on anybody.
 
OK.

When voting, your first mission is to put somebody in office who you can live with.

If you CANNOT do that, you move on to the second mission: proving that there's such a thing as a "pro-freedom vote" that the mainstream parties can cater to.

How do you do that? Well usually you vote Libertarian, so long as the LP candidate isn't a total nutcase. (The latter can happen: in a recent California governor's race, the LP candidate spit on a radio host in mid-campaign and got canned from the party, but was still on the ballot as it was too late to remove him. Fortunately the GOP choice was pretty good - Bill Simon.)

The worst thing you can do is not vote!!!

OK? Seriously. Goes for all y'all.

Me personally, I'd put Dubya's evil quotient at around 30% and his stupid quotient almost as high (sigh). Kerry's outright suckage quotient is up past 90% so he's gotta go.
 
Taking either GW or JK seriously is something I am having more and more trouble doing. In his first Presidential campaign, GW came across as a staunch conservative who would adhere closely to conservative principals. Considering the "BOZO" the Dems. chose to put forth as their candidate, sI was left with no choice but to vote for Bush. ( I still shudder to think of Gore in charge when 911 occurred. We would likely still be debating the political correctness of taking any militay action where civilians might come under hostile fire.

Now I am not the brightest bulb in the pack, still I know enough to realize that everything GW does in the name of Homeland Security has another less publicized reason. It's no secret that the Bushes are in lockstep with big oil, and have been for decades to the detriment of the American people.

However, in looking back over the last 4 years, I must admit I am considerably better off financiallythan I was when GW took over from the KLINTOONS.

Disecting GWs 1st 4 years leaves me with a less than warm and cuddly feeling. Little(?) things like his attitude towards Mexican Migration from the south, free trade, and a less than stellar support for RKBA tend to find me looking for an alternative.

Enter the Democrats with their all American war hero candidate, JK. If it weren't such a serious issue with the future of the country at stake, the idea of a war hero/war protester running for the job as C in C would be laughable. There is nothing funny about a Presidential Candidate who associated himself with a traitor of the first order. Hanoi Jane Fonda is reason enough to reject any thought of voting for him. Then there is "Everyman Kerry" who just happens to be married to the Heinz fortune. Kind of makes one wonder how aggressively he would tax the "Wealthiest Americans" he accuses Bush of catering to.

Looks just like a repeat of last time. I will be voting for the lesser of the 2 evils, as per usual.
 
Let me give you a reasonabloe answer if I may

(not saying that anyone elses is not reasonable of course)

Now GW hasn't been the best by a long shot. However, if the AW Ban sunset we will have moved forward at the Federal level under him. He will also sign the re introduced verision of the lawful commerce in arms act and perhaps other bills as well. Kerry will not sign any pro-gun bill, which means that we might not get anything done positively at the federal level in 8 or more years.

So I think this comes down to a simple equation. Ban dies vote Bush. Ban renewed vote Kerry or Libertarian. Remember that a bad republican is worse than a bad Democrat.

Th efate of the AW Ban will decide my vote. I hope it decides the vote for all rkba supporters.
 
DigitalWarrior, I"m in the same boat as you.

Bush's policies are unacceptable.
Kerry's policies are &*$^! UNACCEPTABLE!

Kerry went out of his way to get back to the Senate to vote for the AWB rider on S1805. Nothing else that came to a vote this year in the Senate was important enough for him to show up -- but the AWB was. There's no way to explain how that makes me feel.

Bush rallied the nation into a fury linking Iraq with Osama Bin Laden. I've got 2 buddies in Iraq right now, one reservist that did service in Kuwait, and one more in the Marine reserves that signed up because of the hooplah. Yes, people make mistakes but that's one horrible mistake to make. I can't swallow it as a mistake though -- it was intentional. That, again, gets me angry beyond words.

You know what, I was going to say I wold vote Bush and go for Liberterian and moderate Democratic support in lesser offices. That's the first time I've commited keystrokes and thought to my buddies over there fighting against WMD that never existed. I don't know what to say now though. Logically, I have no answer.

I am feeling a blog post coming on that's not proper given THR's language contraints though. Yeah, this is going to be a good one.
 
I do not want to try to prove why I think that Bush is 62% evil. I don't want to hear what will happen if Kerry is elected. I don't want to hear about the LP. I just want to know what to do when the lesser of two evils is still mad crazy evil.
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The problem here is that you have rejected all possible choices.

1) You don't want to vote for Bush.

2) You don't want to vote for Kerry.

3) And you don't want to vote for a candidate that won't win.

The only choice you didn't outright reject up front was,

4) Not voting at all.

Me, I'd rather vote for someone who won't win, than I would want to vote for someone who is "mad crazy evil."

I think the Repubs will keep being (and keep giving us candidates that are) "mad crazy evil" just as long as we keep voting for them.

If we stay home and don't vote, they won't know where the votes went.

The only way they'll know where the votes went (and what they can do to get them back) is if we tell them what we want them to do, and then if they don't do it, by voting for someone who will.

Seems pretty straightforward from here.

pax

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule-- and both commonly succeed, and are right. -- H.L. Mencken
 
Gridlock has been a naughty word as long as I've been alive. That's why we are where we are now. I would love it if there was a new "Gridlock party". That would make my day.
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It's to the point where if the legislature isn't in total gridlock, everyone is getting screwed.
 
I'm not sure why the R's get so much credit.

With R's in full control, government has grown twice as fast as it did under Clinton/Republican gridlock. Massive increase in federal involvement in education, or what passes for education in govt schools. They'd never let Clinton do that. Massive new socialized drug program. They'd never let Clinton do that.

And whether or not the AWB is renewed, W has said he'd sign it. That's enough for me right there.

Do everything you can to ensure the return of gridlock in the short run, and promote liberty in the long run. Vote Libertarian.
 
I'm voting for Bush. I'm a Libertarian, and I don't approve of Bush, yada, yadd, yada, but I can't live with this guy in office...

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This pic is all you need to know about Kerry.
 
An explanation

I did not explicitly rule out "not vote" because, quite frankly it never crossed my mind.

I think that I am going to vote Libertarian for Prez in this election. I was giving myself all kinds of heartburn trying to figure it out, but It will not matter I realized I lived in California! My electoral college is going to vote democratic. It doesn't matter what I do. So an ethical stand becomes feasible. Molon Labe!
 
During the s1805 debate Tom Reynolds secratary called me, letting me know the NRCC had named me "republican of the year" for my state and would be sending me a plaque.

By the time the plaque arrived s.1805 was ashes. This along with "campaign finance reform" and the "patriot act" officially did it for me. So I sent the plaque back with photocopies of three ckecks:
1. Thier $100 one voided
2. NRA for $50
3. GOA for $50
and a letter stating why.

My states Congressmen have stood by us, and the in-state republicans have done well by us. They will be recieving money and time from yours truly. But on the national level, all they've got is a wounded dog in the corner-and they best quit poking it with a stick.
 
I have asked similar questions before, but the thread always gets dragged into the mud. I am hoping to avoid that this time.
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The correct answer to your question is that only you can decide how you are going to vote. Sorry its not the easy answer you want, but only you can decide what you can live with.

I'm voting for Bush. I'm not a fan of some of his big government, poor civil liberties policies, but I also think that the War on Terror trumps all those concerns. Had I been president, I would have done the exact same things in Iraq. Was WMD false pretext? Sure, but he's already creating a domino effect of capitulation and reform through the entire Arab world. In order for the other nations to compete they will have to match the new Iraq. Its an ambitious, but attainable plan.
 
I find I'm in the same boat. I don't want to vote for Bush, but I feel it is the only thing to do right now. I don't trust Kerry at all. And its not just about RKBA either. He's so scary on just about any other issue, that I just can't justify not voting for Bush. I really want to vote LP, but I haven't seen a truely plausible candidate be presented yet, and I'm not sure that Nader will stay in the race all the way to election day. If he does, then he'll probably take enough votes away from the Dems that I might still vote LP.
 
My Feelings

Keep GWB in office PLEASE....

He is not perfect...but nobody is...especially not Kerry

Work for the change you want with your senators/reps...

They write the laws....they pass the laws......

The President just signs them...or not.....but his involvement is limited.

I want to :barf: when GWB gets blamed for every bad piece of legislation...just because he signed it.....

Maybe because Clinton took credit for every good piece of legisaltion that the GOP congress passed, I don't know....

Nobody ever blames the bozos that got it through the legislature....nobody blames the courts for upholding it as contitutional....

It is ALL the executive branch for not getting pissy and refusing to sign.

Want to be able to blame the President...then give him Line Item Veto

Then we will know how he really feels rather than if he thinks a bill is 55% ok
 
Working for change in my senate?

I vote republican in the CA Senate races regardless of anything else. But it does not matter, it is like pushing water uphill
 
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