Service Grade M1 Garands at the CMP

I inherited a CMP rifle and have no idea what it is. I did find the paperwork from the CMP for it, so need to take a look and figure out what grade it is. It's nice, and I can't wait to shoot it!

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- 1st gen. Plano "pillar-bed" CMP hard case
- Aug'43 SA receiver
- Good finish
- Walnut CMP stock
- Non-spec rail rear handguard
- Match rear sight aperture
- Milled trigger guard

Lock back the op-rod and take a pic of the barrel markings behind it.

And check to see if the CMP "hang-tag" is in the paperwork, as that will have the armorer's bore Gage numbers (ME/TE)

Whatever it is, it is very nice, and probably a Service Grade or better.
 
At the moment it's Not a high priority on My things too do list . Coupled with the fact #1 gas lock screw wrench is temporarily MIA and I only have 1 !...

About that,

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Just use a crescent wrench with the jaws lined (I use a piece of old cotton utility web belt) to counter the torque on the gas cylinder, to protect the barrel splines.

And, contrary to internet lore, Always Grease the Threads.

This allows for a frictionless torque, so that the threads will actually deflect and hold, and not vibrate loose.

The grease will also prevent intrusion and corrosion, especially if marine grease (blue) is used.

And, when the grease disperses into a very thin film between the threads on the final torque, it will actually flow into the pores of the metal, and act like a rubber key that not only dampens vibration, but also resists rotation.

Torques tight - stays tight - pops lose for removal.
 
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My read on 1957 is SA were the only armory manufacturing M1 Garands in 1957 and total production for 1957 was only 600 rifles between 01 January 1957 to 30 June 1957 with the last rifle made in June 1957. My source is The M1 Garand Post World War II by Scott Duff. The last run of barrels was marked 5 56. Anyway if anyone has the opportunity visit the Springfield Armory in Springfield MA which is now a National Park site. Some really interesting stuff to see going back to muskets. :)

Ron
I’m not up to date on Scott Duff’s info but he is about the best source for anything Gansnd.

Anyway, CMP had some 6 Million serial numbered Garands 10-15 years ago and I managed to score one.

A good addition to my Rock-ola Carbine.

The Springfield Asenal sounds like a place to visit. I have some business in the Boston area, sounds like a side trip is in order. (I’m familiar with upstate NY and Massachusetts. I went to college in Troy, NY and dated a girl from Boston)..
 
The Springfield Asenal sounds like a place to visit. I have some business in the Boston area, sounds like a side trip is in order. (I’m familiar with upstate NY and Massachusetts. I went to college in Troy, NY and dated a girl from Boston)..
Just check the website before a trip to Springfield Armory. Over the years I have found the books by Scoot Duff and Bruce Canfield to be good sources of information. Additionally from an engineering point Jerry Kuhnhausen are excellent shop manuals.

Ron
 
About that,

MVC-003F.jpg

Just use a crescent wrench with the jaws lined (I use a piece of old cotton utility web belt) to counter the torque on the gas cylinder, to protect the barrel splines.

And, contrary to internet lore, Always Grease the Threads.

This allows for a frictionless torque, so that the threads will actually deflect and hold, and not vibrate loose.

The grease will also prevent intrusion and corrosion, especially if marine grease (blue) is used.

And, when the grease disperses into a very thin film between the threads on the final torque, it will actually flow into the pores of the metal, and act like a rubber key that not only dampens vibration, but also resists rotation.

Torques tight - stays tight - pops lose for removal.
Yes, on gas cylinder lock screws I just use a 1/4 inch socket drive.
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Ron
 
Just check the website before a trip to Springfield Armory. Over the years I have found the books by Scoot Duff and Bruce Canfield to be good sources of information. Additionally from an engineering point Jerry Kuhnhausen are excellent shop manuals.

Ron
Thanks for the heads up on the Armory.

I have most, if not all the books mentioned. They are just not “dog eared” yet.
 
No the real reason he doesn't want to provide you with the serial number is very clear. He is currently part of the witnesse protection program after Elvis told him who D.B. Cooper really was. Elvis learned D.B.'s true identity from Sasquatch while visiting the Loch Ness Monster. I know it's true because I saw on Chupacabra's podcast and he is friends with the Wolfman. And we all know the Wolfman would never lie, because he doesn't want to lose custody of this two headed baby with Dracula.
Well well well ,MY M1 ISN'T a 1943 afterall !.

I guess I should have looked up the serial #'s MYSELF !. ( April 1942 #590671 Springfield Armory ) **. Excuse MY ignorance and MY dead phone battery at the moment .

IF y'all gotta have a photo WAIT until the TOOL shows up and I'll do it ALL at the same time , IF not GET a life !.
 
Well well well ,MY M1 ISN'T a 1943 afterall !.

I guess I should have looked up the serial #'s MYSELF !. ( April 1942 #590671 Springfield Armory ) **. Excuse MY ignorance and MY dead phone battery at the moment .

IF y'all gotta have a photo WAIT until the TOOL shows up and I'll do it ALL at the same time , IF not GET a life !.

I don't have a life and I can't wait, but I was trying to defend you .

I am not showing my serial number.
 
- 1st gen. Plano "pillar-bed" CMP hard case
- Aug'43 SA receiver
- Good finish
- Walnut CMP stock
- Non-spec rail rear handguard
- Match rear sight aperture
- Milled trigger guard
Lock back the op-rod and take a pic of the barrel markings behind it.
And check to see if the CMP "hang-tag" is in the paperwork, as that will have the armorer's bore Gage numbers (ME/TE)
Whatever it is, it is very nice, and probably a Service Grade or better.
It’s a SG mixmaster with a commercial stock (w/ CMP logo).

Barrel is probably also commercial, a Criterion, unless pictures show it’s a USGI.
 
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I’m not up to date on Scott Duff’s info but he is about the best source for anything Garand.
Was … “the best source.”

Duff was all the M1 rage going on 20-yrs ago but now his books are dated, bordering on stale. Newer research and historical discoveries (e.g., documents Duff never looked at) have required revision of many earlier statements in his books.

Bruce Canfield’s more recent tome, “The M1 Garand Rifle” (2013), is now considered the leading reference work. Even Duff agrees with that.



Anyway, CMP had some 6 Million serial numbered Garands 10-15 years ago and I managed to score one.
A good addition to my Rock-ola Carbine.
The Springfield Asenal sounds like a place to visit. I have some business in the Boston area, sounds like a side trip is in order. (I’m familiar with upstate NY and Massachusetts. I went to college in Troy, NY and dated a girl from Boston)..
Yeah, a trip to S.A. is always a great experience.
 
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Well well well ,MY M1 ISN'T a 1943 afterall !.

I guess I should have looked up the serial #'s MYSELF !. ( April 1942 #590671 Springfield Armory ) **. Excuse MY ignorance and MY dead phone battery at the moment .

IF y'all gotta have a photo WAIT until the TOOL shows up and I'll do it ALL at the same time , IF not GET a life !.
Dude, give it a rest. You have no clue what you’ve got and hiding the serial number with your thumb in the one pic you posted is a scammer’s move.

At best you’ve got a post-War mixmaster M1 and even if it’s got a receiver with a 6-digit serial number it still has zero collector value.

A minimum of 25 clear pics of the various components, in good light and without any of your body parts in the way, will allow us to tell you exactly what you have. :scrutiny:
 
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Was … “the best source.”

Duff was all the M1 rage going on 20-yrs ago but now his books are dated, bordering on stale. Newer research and historical discoveries (e.g., documents Duff never looked at) have required revision of many earlier statements in his books.

Bruce Canfield’s more recent tome, “The M1 Garand Rifle” (2013), is now considered the leading reference work. Even Duff agrees with that.




Yeah, a trip to S.A. is always a great experience.

Thanks,

I'll have to invest in Canfield's book.
 
Duff was all the M1 rage going on 20-yrs ago but now his books are dated, bordering on stale. Newer research and historical discoveries (e.g., documents Duff never looked at) have required revision of many earlier statements in his books.

Bruce Canfield’s more recent tome, “The M1 Garand Rifle” (2013), is now considered the leading reference work. Even Duff agrees with that.
Sounds about right since most of my books on the Garand are about 25 years old or more, just I have had them 25 years plus. At that point in time Canfield's books were sort of skimpy for want of a better word. I do have a few of Canfield's earlier books I think one on the .30 Carbine and one for I think the M1 Carbine and the M1 Garand where there is a little about each and not a very thick book. Anyway yes, all my stuff id pretty dated. I was really into the Garands back then and we had 25 for sale at any one time. Still have boxes of parts. Anyone need an uncut operating rod? How about a complete (all guts correct BMB Trigger group? Never know when you might need one. :)

Thanks for the heads up on the books. Years run past pretty damn fast and at my age I son't need fast. :)

Thanks
Ron
 
I don't have a life and I can't wait, but I was trying to defend you .

I am not showing my serial number.
I WASN'T singling or directing at You ,it was a general post with which I included responding to ,serial # of Your posting . I had already listed it previously ,some folks just gotta have visual proof and can't take anyone at their word . I have already admitted I was Wrong in the assumption it was Un-issued and it's year , which I was told was 43 but it's actually a 42 .

Now for the life of ME I'd like to KNOW WHY a simple tool part ordered in TX. ,shipped via USPS ends up in Illinois ,before being shipped to Boise ID. at some phony distribution center ,only after setting there for 4 days ?. Everything I've ever ordered via USPS , has gone too Salt Lake City Distribution center regardless of State of origin !.
Consequently a 2-5 day shipment window has Now turned into a 10 day window or more . Our Tax $'s in Gov. disarray as USUAL !.
 
Bruce Canfield’s more recent tome, “The M1 Garand Rifle” (2013), is now considered the leading reference work. Even Duff agrees with that.
I checked my book shelf and I do have Canfield’s books on the Garand and the Garand and Carbine. I need to get them out and read them.
 
For y'alls amusement I have to describe the CMP "Special" Garand I bought from them in 1998. These were the "Special" selected rifles that were in either very good shape OR largely correct according to the new CMP (no longer the DCM) guidelines and totally different from the later "Special" rebuilt and re-parked "ready to shoot" CMP stocked guns. I asked for an IHC with LMR bbl hoping to receive a shooter that wouldn't require bedding so it would allow me to shoot "As Issued" games.
After 18 months I received pretty much what I asked for: 1954 issue IHC, LMR bbl, ALL IHC parts EXCEPT: safety (SA) and a Winchester stock that wouldn't make even a good fencepost. The receiver rattled in the stock and the furniture was mostly Win but the bbl measures 2 or less muzzle and throat.
Okay, I added a Wenig stock and carefully fitted it to the receiver. It wasn't like I started winning our little Aurora Gun Club matches right away but it became possible after awhile.
 
Oh, and doesn't the breech face of Bushmaster 15's gun look like it's Parkerized in his pic?
Perhaps I am mistaken and a better pic would change my mind?
 
Oh, and doesn't the breech face of Bushmaster 15's gun look like it's Parkerized in his pic?
Perhaps I am mistaken and a better pic would change my mind?
Maybe, … but it wouldn’t change his mind no matter how clearly you ’plained the pertinent facts of Garand reality to him.
 
My service grade ( see my photo) is a Springfield Armory 1943 March serial no. Has milled trigger guard, new CMP stock. 1956 SA barrel. MW of 1 and TE of 0-1. Non lockbar sights. Totally re parked! Nice than the ones I actually carried in the Corps. I asked for a SA ww2 because my grandfather, uncle and mother worked at the Armory during the war. I like to think that maybe one of them worked on my rifle ( probably not but still maybe). I think she was a post Korea Arsenal rebuild ( my dad worked there then), that was put into storage afterwards. I have a period correct m1907 sling on her. She is much more accurate than me at this point...I qualified as a sharpshooter but don’t think my 80 plus year old eyes could do the full course again. Some day she’ll go to one of my grandsons! Love the Garand (and the BAR, the 1919a4,) hated the M14
 
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By the way growing up in Springfield The Armory was familiar to us all. As kids playing in Forest Park ( huge park in town) we would go behind the Lion House at the zoo and pick up defective WALNUT stock blanks to play war with. They were sent there from the Armory to be used in the Boiler to keep the Lion House topic hot. We’d throw them back in the piles when we left at the end of the day.
 
This has been about the most important book regarding the M1 rifle, and the only one that really matters:

But that's just me.
just perused it - awesome. Thanks for sharing it. For my needs, Duff's book was sufficient to learn how to disassemble and troubleshoot to have an accurate and properly operating rifle. Mine is an IHC 1953 model with various SA WWII parts that was sent back to the US in 1979 through England and British proof tested. I really didnlt need to know anymore about my rifle than that, so any other updated info on M1s is superfluous. With my handloads it will shoot sub 2 moa out to 600yds easily. I suppose it would perform similarly out to 1000+ but I have not had the opportunity to try that yet.
 
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