Service Grade M1 Garands at the CMP

Have done very well with mail order in the past.

If you can afford to order a few extra, and keep the looker(s), the cast-offs either make great gifts, or sell themselves at the price you paid for them.

Well, I think I could get more than $900, but I could only afford two, and I want one stock and one to send to Shuff's for a Mini-G conversion with all the bells and whistles - .308 rebarrel, compensator, M14 mag conversion...

... Plus as of next month private party gun sales will be illegal in MN.
 
I don’t need to see your serial number, or the parts that are supposedly serialized to match, because…

A. No Garand was ever manufactured originally with anything but a Black Walnut stock. Birch and cherry was used for rebuilds and replacement. (European) Beech was used as replacement on Dutch M1s given to them and produced by them

B. No Garand had the individual parts serialized to match the receiver serial number. The numbers on bolts, op rods, trigger groups, ect are not serial numbers, they are drawing numbers that record the production changes and differences in heat treating. When you say a M1 is “correct” it means the drawing numbers are correct for the time frame of the receivers assembly, they never matched the receivers serial number.

I have seen US rifles that never had individually parts serial numbered come back from overseas with some parts serialized, ie M1917s went to Britain with unmarked bolts and came back with matching serialized bolts that were added in Britain to comply with their regulations.

I have seen M1 Garands that came back from the Dutch with serialized stocks, but no other part.

All this information is very easy to check on the internet, and standard knowledge to M1 owners and collectors.

If your rifle was rebuilt at Anniston Depot it should have a electrical pencil engraving on the receiver leg under the stock with a code for by whom and a date.

If you rifle was rebuilt by the Dutch it may have a beech stock, and a matching (or not) serial number added to the stock.

Because of different parts being produced at different times and places, then assembled in mass the finish color, texture, ect on different parts are usually slightly different, and milling marks are present.

When the rifle is used hard the milling marked smooth out, and sandblasting removes the marks even more.
When you see a rifle with the same finish on all parts, no milling marks, and a frosty uniform heavily parked finish with the numbers not crisp it is a sign the rifle has been reworked.

As shooters, unissued military reworks (NOT DCM/CMP) are some of the best rifles to own.

I hope you enjoy your gift from a valued friend, but if you are going to claim “ never issued” you are going to be asked to prove it, especially if you add information that never was ( individual parts all serialized to match receiver serial numbers) and the fact that many people try to fool unsuspecting buyers into paying for something that never was after refinishing and trading around parts to make them “correct”.

Now, someone could have electrical penciled, or laser or acid etched a matching serial number on all parts, but not a manufacture stamped professionally at time of assembly serial number on a M1 Garand parts.
German K98 Mauser, P 08 Luger, FALs yes, but not on US Garands.

THANK YOU for the Information ,MOST HELPFUL .

At this point ALL I can verify is WHEN and WHAT I received and PARTS are ALL SA ,except the gas plug . I was most certainly NOT trying to pull any BS on selling or intentional misrepresenting what I had ,ONLY what I had been told . As the majority of M1's I've seen had mismatched manufacturers parts . SA ,Win ,H&R ,IHC, Singer, Etc. . This is the " ONLY " one which I've seen with ALL SA parts .
It also has NEVER been fired ,so as it isn't an original 1943 unaltered M1 Garand ,see NO good reason not to shoot it as doubtful it makes a whole lot of difference to it's value now .

" If your rifle was rebuilt at Anniston Depot it should have a electrical pencil engraving on the receiver leg under the stock with a code for by whom and a date."

I'll dissemble it and most certainly look and photograph ,for ALL too see . :)
 
THANK YOU for the Information ,MOST HELPFUL .
At this point ALL I can verify is WHEN and WHAT I received and PARTS are ALL SA ,except the gas plug . I was most certainly NOT trying to pull any BS on selling or intentional misrepresenting what I had ,ONLY what I had been told. * * *
As the majority of M1's I've seen had mismatched manufacturers parts . SA ,Win ,H&R ,IHC, Singer, Etc.

Singer never made M1 Garand rifle components that I’m aware of. Perhaps you can point us to a legit reference work indicating otherwise?
 
Judging by the grain inclusions - looks like it may be beech, not birch.


YOU are CORRECT !. I have disassembled it and it is in FACT ( (Fagus grandifolia) ) Beech Wood .

I especially of all people should have known it WASN'T Birch , as I have the means of identifying any and every wood commercially cut in the World ,all I had to do was OPEN MY Forestry Agricultural ASTM handbook .
 
Singer never made M1 Garand rifle components that I’m aware of. Perhaps you can point us to a legit reference work indicating otherwise?

At this point in time I'm uncertain of chit or shine-ola until I either step in it or smell it !. Mine has NO O mark on the gas plug ,so before December of 1943 .

" Supposedly " Singer manufactured receivers for Underwood for M1 Carbines but the below was posted : I DON'T believe Singer made any M1 Garand parts .
Singer U.S.A. suturing machines, boxed and in leatherette case with leaflet. Made in 1943.Yet bomb sights are referenced in addition too M1911 pistols . Yet find NO solid conclusive proof .

Suturing is used to stitch wounds closed during surgery. The bobbins were used to hold the suturing material, normally made of nylon, that unwound when needed


** Who knows what subcontractor manufactured Gas Plugs and for whom ?. What about Smith Corona did they manufacture anything ?. Yes but NO Garand or Carbine parts .

1942
During World War II, the company did its part to support the war effort. Producing bomb fuses, M1903-A3 bolt-action rifles, M-209 Hagelin-style portable cipher machines, ammunition, and most importantly, they continued to produce typewriters.



During WWII, the company suspended sewing machine production to take on government contracts for weapons manufacturing. Factories in the US supplied Americans with Norden bomb sights, M1 Garand rifles and M1911 pistols while factories in Germany provided their armed forces with weapons.

In 1939, the company was given a production study by the government to draw plans and develop standard raw material sizes for building M1911A1 pistols. The next year, April 17th, 1940, Singer was given an educational order of 500 units with serial numbers No. S800001 - S800500. The educational order was a program set up by the US Ordnance Board to learn how easily a company with no gun-making experience could tool up from scratch and build weapons for the government. After the 500 units were delivered to the government; the management decided their expertise would be better used in producing artillery and bomb sights. The pistol tooling and manufacturing machines were transferred to Remington Rand and some went to the Ithaca Gun Company. Original and correct Singer pistols are highly desired by collectors. In excellent condition, Singer pistols sell anywhere from $25,000 to $60,000. Current collector value is as high as $80,000 at auction


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Gas cylinder lock screw is Type 3. See marking O on its front face indicating manufacture by a subcontractor to Springfield Armory.

Started at approximate serial number 2,500,000 through the end of production, so any time after December 1943.


https://m1-garand-rifle.com/history/world-war-ii-to-korea.html
 
Well well well ,MY M1 ISN'T a 1943 afterall !.

I guess I should have looked up the serial #'s MYSELF !. ( April 1942 #590671 Springfield Armory ) **. Excuse MY ignorance and MY dead phone battery at the moment .

** Unless I'm mistaken about that as well

MY Clean SA Garand gas cylinder lock screw has a P with a triangle or arrow .

Also there's NOT a Drop of lube anywhere to be found and NO rust either THANKFULLY !.
 
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I have a few Garands including one I chambered in 7mm-08 Remington which is a bit unusual. The other is a 30-06 Korean era rifle with the small cartouche. I have a bucket of parts, enough to build a few more sans the receivers. Wish I had bought a few receivers years ago when the DCM and later CMP was selling receivers. Today I can't believe the gun show prices. Yes, I agree the rifle selling for $900 CMP will be at a gun show next week for $1200. Any gun on any given day is worth what somebody is willing to pay, no more and no less.

The upper rifle is my 7MM-08 rifle and the lower my Korean era rifle. The "orange wood" :)
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I have a brand new, well new when I got it in '96 barrel chambered in .308 Win I may eventually put on one of these rifles. The upper has NM sights and is all tricked out including bedding. Still have all my tools for working on them and I may think about selling off most of this stuff as at 73 I am not getting any younger. :)

Ron
 
1956 SA stock.jpg MY shooting Garand is also an SA Receiver but with a WRA bolt and is most certainly a DCM purchase .
Serial # 5828152 so that puts it in at 1956 manufacture ,is that correct ?


 
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View attachment 1162069 MY shooting Garand is also an SA Receiver but with a WRA bolt and is most certainly a DCM purchase .Serial # 5828152 so that puts it in at 1956 manufacture ,is that correct?
Show us a clear pic of the receiver with serial number visible. …. As well, show us clear pics of revision numbers/heat lot #s on bolt, op rod, and barrel.

No doubt you’ve got a post-War SA M1 rebuild with mixed components even if most of those components are SA.​
 
View attachment 1162069 MY shooting Garand is also an SA Receiver but with a WRA bolt and is most certainly a DCM purchase .
Serial # 5828152 so that puts it in at 1956 manufacture ,is that correct ?


I’m coming up with either ‘55 or ‘57, with possible no rifles made in ‘56 by SA (?) … or it was made between ‘55 and ‘57 with no record kept of exact dates.
It is very near the last 4.5% of M1 rifle made by SA.

When the Op Rod is pulled back, note the numbers that are exposed in the op rod cutout of the stock on the starboard ( right) side of the barrel.
It will give manufacture, drawing number and month-year of the barrel manufacture.
If the date or manufacture on the barrel does not match close to the receiver maker and date you know it was rebarreled. If it matches it may or not have been rebarreled.
 
'56 or '57 yeah. I can't find month specific data for those years.
Yes, Garand production date info gets a bit sketchy at times.

The first Garand that I purchased was made in either November, 1941 or December, 1941 depending on the data you look at.

Also, engineering and revision numbers get a bit confusing at times as sometimes parts were “lost” in the system and installed on rifles not normally indicated for a particulate date range.

There are photos out there that show armorers surrounded by buckets full of Garand parts with no attempt to keep parts from a particular together its other parts.

But parts interchangeability was one of the features of the Garand. It made the Garand easy to service in the field. No worries that most parts needed to be hand fitted.
 
Show us a clear pic of the receiver with serial number visible. …. As well, show us clear pics of revision numbers/heat lot #s on bolt, op rod, and barrel.

No doubt you’ve got a post-War SA M1 rebuild with mixed components even if most of those components are SA.​


At the moment it's Not a high priority on My things too do list . Coupled with the fact #1 gas lock screw wrench is temporarily MIA and I only have 1 !. So I've ordered another in the meantime . Used to carry it in My Armors bag ,but it's NOT there
When all ducks are in a row ,I'll field strip it and photo ALL necessary drawing #'s and such might be a week or so .

I’m coming up with either ‘55 or ‘57, with possible no rifles made in ‘56 by SA (?) … or it was made between ‘55 and ‘57 with no record kept of exact dates.
It is very near the last 4.5% of M1 rifle made by SA.

When the Op Rod is pulled back, note the numbers that are exposed in the op rod cutout of the stock on the starboard ( right) side of the barrel.
It will give manufacture, drawing number and month-year of the barrel manufacture.
If the date or manufacture on the barrel does not match close to the receiver maker and date you know it was rebarreled. If it matches it may or not have been rebarreled.
 
At the moment it's Not a high priority on My things too do list . Coupled with the fact #1 gas lock screw wrench is temporarily MIA and I only have 1 !. So I've ordered another in the meantime . Used to carry it in My Armors bag ,but it's NOT there
When all ducks are in a row ,I'll field strip it and photo ALL necessary drawing #'s and such might be a week or so .

The M1 Rifle - is one of those things that really doesn't matter.

Units would disassemble their rifles and throw each group into its own pile, for cleaning.

Then, reassemble the rifles from the clean parts piles, catch as catch can.

Simply a Marksmanship tool, with completely interchangeable parts.
 
At the moment it's Not a high priority on My things too do list * * * When all ducks are in a row ,I'll field strip it and photo ALL necessary drawing #'s and such might be a week or so .
Well, you claimed it was all an original, unissued 1943 SA M1. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof,” someone once said.

In your case, we’ll just settle for a series of good clear photos of all the relevant components named earlier.
 
Well, you claimed it was all an original, unissued 1943 SA M1. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof,” someone once said.

In your case, we’ll just settle for a series of good clear photos of all the relevant components named earlier.
An as I have already stated I was WRONG ,even about the year , let alone it being a Non issue . It's simply at this point a SA M1 1942 UN fired since I've owned it for #53 years , rebuild cobbled back storage room hide out ,whatever one wants to call it . With NO locking gas wrench disassembly is on Hold !.
 
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Wrong finish as in the cosmoline green tinted parkerization ? I think NOT !.

Note same rifle different light cast and the camera picks it up differently .
ALL #'s MATCH except Gas Plug which NONE do !. FYI : Look up 1943 Birch Stocks as well as Cherry, as Walnut was in Short supply so consideration was given for using alternative WOODS . The Sight currently is on MY Shooter but will go Back on it as soon as I refurbish the stripped pinion on MY other one . Note the hand guard is Walnut ,for whatever reason those #6 Rifles were NEVER ISSUED !.

Whether You or anyone else chooses to believe it , is your prerogative but that Rifle and it's mates were NEVER sold through DCM or CMP

I acquired that in early 70 ,upon My departure from US Army ,as MY platoon Sgt. was reassigned to Armory duty ,so as to finish out his 20 .
It was a Present :)

Actually M1 Garand Birch stocks were being produced in 1957 .


The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks ** and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. American Black Walnut had a long history of being the wood preferred by America's gun manufacturers and was used by all of the carbine prime contractors and subcontractors. Birch had initially been considered but wasn't approved until a perceived shortage of Walnut in 1943 led to the approval of Yellow Birch and Black Cherry for gunstocks. : Yes I know the difference between a Carbine and a Garand but FACT remains Gov. considered alternative Woods for fear of a shortage ,so who's to say WHAT happened in a NON ISSUE build . I WASN'T there in 43 , nor was I in Alabama at the Armory .

Directly from USGI Dept. of the Army Technical manual .

The first time the M1 was available for sale to civilians, by the Army, was an announcement in the “American Rifleman” for October of 1955, though they may have been available and the 1954 National Matches. However, they were not available to the “general public” as you were required to be “NRA members who are enrolled with the Director of Civilian Marksmanship.” I do not believe that the DCM ever sold to the ‘general public’ as the purpose of these DCM sales was to advance the cause of civilian marksmanship. It was not intended to supply the collector or the gunsmith for ‘bubbering’ into a sporting rifle. . At that time and up into the 1970’s I believe that one was allowed to purchase “one in a lifetime”; though later it was determined that M1’s did wear out and competitors would be allowed to either exchange their present M1 or purchase another one. (Someone who knows the details please help me out here.) The last M1 that I purchased through the DCM was a “service grade” M1 and while the first letter was addressed to the DCM all subsequent correspondence was through the Department of the Army. I was required to submit my NRA membership card, High Power Competition classification card as well as Target proficiency , and my membership card in a DCM affiliated club. To the best of my knowledge, the M1 (unlike the M1903, M03A3, M1917, M1 carbine) was never declared “surplus” while the DCM controlled the sales and distributions. Leastwise NOT while I was a member .

I've purchased a # of Garand's over the years including #1,M1C and #2 ,M1D's* DCM ARSENAL REBUILDS and not a single Rifle has had Matching #'s !.

During WWII most, but not all, stocks & handguards had manufacturer markings. After WWII many stocks & handguards did not have a manufacturers mark.

Now someone some where was able to get a # of M1's during the 50's-60's and began selling them either mail order or through gun shops . NRA members cried out about that ,as we were forced to WAIT for our purchases . So Don't know what came about with that .

Has anyone else purchased an M1 via DCM or CMP ?. IF so do your #'s match ? and do You have Birch stocks ?.

Because ALL of mine came with Walnut and in the condition one would expect . * With the exception of ONE a Winchester M1D which was Beautiful .
I find it hard to believe that any Armorer Sgt. in any arms room would give someone a weapon as a present. The military is very possessive of its weapons. All arms rooms are inventoried frequently, and every weapon has to be accounted for Always, or the brown stuff hits the fan. An acquaintance of mine took over the arms room on SAC bas where he was in charge of the sidearms issued to flight crews. He accepted the outgoing guys count and didn’t inventory it himself. Long story short … after the discrepancy was discovered (3 pistols), and court martial, he was reduced In rank to private had to pay for the pistols, and given a BCD. If this sergeant gave you one he was screwing up big time!
 
I find it hard to believe that any Armorer Sgt. in any arms room would give someone a weapon as a present. The military is very possessive of its weapons. All arms rooms are inventoried frequently, and every weapon has to be accounted for Always, or the brown stuff hits the fan. An acquaintance of mine took over the arms room on SAC bas where he was in charge of the sidearms issued to flight crews. He accepted the outgoing guys count and didn’t inventory it himself. Long story short … after the discrepancy was discovered (3 pistols), and court martial, he was reduced In rank to private had to pay for the pistols, and given a BCD. If this sergeant gave you one he was screwing up big time!
Which also explains his reluctance to post any clear pics except the one where he hid the serial number on the receiver from view by covering it with his thumb.

Pics can be incriminating. ;)
 
My read on 1957 is SA were the only armory manufacturing M1 Garands in 1957 and total production for 1957 was only 600 rifles between 01 January 1957 to 30 June 1957 with the last rifle made in June 1957. My source is The M1 Garand Post World War II by Scott Duff. The last run of barrels was marked 5 56. Anyway if anyone has the opportunity visit the Springfield Armory in Springfield MA which is now a National Park site. Some really interesting stuff to see going back to muskets. :)

Ron
 
I find it hard to believe that any Armorer Sgt. in any arms room would give someone a weapon as a present. The military is very possessive of its weapons. All arms rooms are inventoried frequently, and every weapon has to be accounted for Always, or the brown stuff hits the fan. An acquaintance of mine took over the arms room on SAC bas where he was in charge of the sidearms issued to flight crews. He accepted the outgoing guys count and didn’t inventory it himself. Long story short … after the discrepancy was discovered (3 pistols), and court martial, he was reduced In rank to private had to pay for the pistols, and given a BCD. If this sergeant gave you one he was screwing up big time!


I was under the impression according to HIS story , he purchased said Rifles which weren't in inventory . #6 Rifles and I grabbed the one with the Beech stock ,there were Walnut stocks and even a Winchester receiver , I still have the reciept for $1.00 . He retired in 74-75 after 20 and passed on in 1996 .
As I was in VN 68-70 as was he ,I saw several things which WEREN'T in any manual . Personally know of a # of contraband shipments which went State side and by SOMEONE'S connections evidently cleared . As I mustered out in March of 70 via Ft. Lewis WA. as an E6 and had Nothing to do with any shenanigans . I've held a tier 2 & 1 from the DoD for over 38 years up until I retired . I worked in the Aerospace field and as a result of MY employment was required .
I can assure ANYONE they go back much further than 5 or 10 years background and it's repetitive about the same time frame .

I'm NOT aware that any Military Personnel are prohibited from purchasing surplus arms or ammo provided it goes through proper channels or a distribution point .
Wasn't like he was peddling M60's or LAW'S . WHY he gave ME the Rifle is PERSONAL and will remain so .
 
Which also explains his reluctance to post any clear pics except the one where he hid the serial number on the receiver from view by covering it with his thumb.

Pics can be incriminating. ;)

No the real reason he doesn't want to provide you with the serial number is very clear. He is currently part of the witnesse protection program after Elvis told him who D.B. Cooper really was. Elvis learned D.B.'s true identity from Sasquatch while visiting the Loch Ness Monster. I know it's true because I saw on Chupacabra's podcast and he is friends with the Wolfman. And we all know the Wolfman would never lie, because he doesn't want to lose custody of this two headed baby with Dracula.
 
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