Service Grade M1 Garands at the CMP

Thanks to the OP I was able to get my application in for a service grade M1. Came today and is in great shape. Can't wait to shoot it. I think $900 was a fair price in today's market and it won't be for sale any time soon. They are sold out again.

Yep, I got two a couple weeks ago and am glad I got them. Would be gladder if I'd gotten them when CMP first crossed my radar and the service grades were $450, but who knows how much the next batch will be... if there's a next batch.
 
The Garand's are a whole lot more expensive NOW ,than ever before . I suspect decent ones will command premium prices as always .

When their gone their GONE regardless of condition or grade ,history marches on and time awaits NO one .

From a collector stand point it's a No Brain'r but from a practical shooting perspective the AR platform has them out classed .

So deciding shooting preferences might give thought to pause on purchasing . IMO ; The 1950's -1980's was the Era of Gun collecting .

I remember the days one could walk into nearly any LGS and pick up a " Decent " unscrewed with M1911 for $50-75.00 a really Sweet one a Rarer vintage for $80-110.00 . Mail order postal delivered ran less than $50.00 ,from reputable companies !.

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That’s an Anniston Arsenal rebuild, not a non-issued 1943 SA rifle (i.e., not original).

Wrong !. NOT a arsenal rebuild as it DIDN'T come from DCM or CMP . It's exactly what I described it as , a " Non Issued " 1943 surplus ,one of #6 found and secured , by My ex platoon Sargent .
 
That’s an Anniston Arsenal rebuild, not a non-issued 1943 SA rifle (i.e., not original).
I agree

Wrong !. NOT a arsenal rebuild as it DIDN'T come from DCM or CMP . It's exactly what I described it as , a " Non Issued " 1943 surplus ,one of #6 found and secured , by My ex platoon Sargent .
I don’t think so.
Wrong rear sight for 1943, wrong finish for 1943. Birch stocks not introduced until 1960.
Aniston Army Depo did .MIL rebuilds, nothing having to do with the CMP or DCM.
It does look like it was put away unissued AFTER rebuild.
Unissued rebuilds have a following and are becoming very collectible.
 
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I agree
I don't think so.
Wrong rear sight for 1943, wrong finish for 1943.
Correct. You beat me to pointing that out, one issue among several.

BushMaster-15 has a rebuild, not an original, unmolested, 1943 SA.

And if he thinks he does, he needs to post up a LOT more close-up pics of all the small critical parts showing clearly their respective parts #s and heat lot #s.
 
Correct. You beat me to pointing that out, one issue among several.

BushMaster-15 has a rebuild, not an original, unmolested, 1943 SA.

And if he thinks he does, he needs to post up a LOT more close-up pics of all the small critical parts showing clearly their respective parts #s and heat lot #s.

ALL #'s MATCH except Gas Plug which NONE do !. FYI : Look up 1943 Birch Stocks as well as Cherry, as Walnut was in Short supply so consideration was given for using alternative WOODS . The Sight currently is on MY Shooter but will go Back on it as soon as I refurbish the stripped pinion on MY other one . Note the hand guard is Walnut ,for whatever reason those #6 Rifles were NEVER ISSUED !.

Whether You or anyone else chooses to believe it , is your prerogative but that Rifle and it's mates were NEVER sold through DCM or CMP

I acquired that in early 70 ,upon My departure from US Army ,as MY platoon Sgt. was reassigned to Armory duty ,so as to finish out his 20 .
It was a Present :)

Actually M1 Garand Birch stocks were being produced in 1957 .


The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks ** and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. American Black Walnut had a long history of being the wood preferred by America's gun manufacturers and was used by all of the carbine prime contractors and subcontractors. Birch had initially been considered but wasn't approved until a perceived shortage of Walnut in 1943 led to the approval of Yellow Birch and Black Cherry for gunstocks. : Yes I know the difference between a Carbine and a Garand but FACT remains Gov. considered alternative Woods for fear of a shortage ,so who's to say WHAT happened in a NON ISSUE build . I WASN'T there in 43 , nor was I in Alabama at the Armory .

Directly from USGI Dept. of the Army Technical manual .

The first time the M1 was available for sale to civilians, by the Army, was an announcement in the “American Rifleman” for October of 1955, though they may have been available and the 1954 National Matches. However, they were not available to the “general public” as you were required to be “NRA members who are enrolled with the Director of Civilian Marksmanship.” I do not believe that the DCM ever sold to the ‘general public’ as the purpose of these DCM sales was to advance the cause of civilian marksmanship. It was not intended to supply the collector or the gunsmith for ‘bubbering’ into a sporting rifle. . At that time and up into the 1970’s I believe that one was allowed to purchase “one in a lifetime”; though later it was determined that M1’s did wear out and competitors would be allowed to either exchange their present M1 or purchase another one. (Someone who knows the details please help me out here.) The last M1 that I purchased through the DCM was a “service grade” M1 and while the first letter was addressed to the DCM all subsequent correspondence was through the Department of the Army. I was required to submit my NRA membership card, High Power Competition classification card as well as Target proficiency , and my membership card in a DCM affiliated club. To the best of my knowledge, the M1 (unlike the M1903, M03A3, M1917, M1 carbine) was never declared “surplus” while the DCM controlled the sales and distributions. Leastwise NOT while I was a member .

I've purchased a # of Garand's over the years including #1,M1C and #2 ,M1D's* DCM ARSENAL REBUILDS and not a single Rifle has had Matching #'s !.

During WWII most, but not all, stocks & handguards had manufacturer markings. After WWII many stocks & handguards did not have a manufacturers mark.

Now someone some where was able to get a # of M1's during the 50's-60's and began selling them either mail order or through gun shops . NRA members cried out about that ,as we were forced to WAIT for our purchases . So Don't know what came about with that .

Has anyone else purchased an M1 via DCM or CMP ?. IF so do your #'s match ? and do You have Birch stocks ?.

Because ALL of mine came with Walnut and in the condition one would expect . * With the exception of ONE a Winchester M1D which was Beautiful .
 
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I don’t think so.
Wrong rear sight for 1943, wrong finish for 1943. Birch stocks not introduced until 1960.
Aniston Army Depo did .MIL rebuilds, nothing having to do with the CMP or DCM.
It does look like it was put away unissued AFTER rebuild.
Unissued rebuilds have a following and are becoming very collectible.


Wrong finish as in the cosmoline green tinted parkerization ? I think NOT !.

Note same rifle different light cast and the camera picks it up differently .
 
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Numbers on all components are the same? (except gas plug)
And it came with that birch stock?
Not only that, the idjit has his thumb concealing the serial number. .... Seriously? :scrutiny: Nope, no birch stocks on 1943 SA M1s.

And where's the parts list for this allegedly "original" M1 with revision #s and heat lot #s? What's the bolt #? What's the op rod #? To do it right, BushMaster-15 will need to post a minimum of 25+ clear pics.

Plus, both the windage and elevation knobs in the pics are wrong .... and although he keeps stammering about his rifle not being "sold" through the DCM/CMP (as if that's an important point), not all M1s in private possession were formerly DCM/CMP M1s.

Mine never was, per the DCM/CMP's own records check, and it's an all-original, late 1942 SA in a proper McFarland-cartouched stock.

Noop ... it looks more like BushMaster's got himself a mixmaster M1. No doubt it's a solid rifle, and probably a good shooter, but original and unmolested it ain't.
 
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My service grade cost $750 about 7-8 yrds ago. Arsenal rebuild definitely. March 1943 serial number, 1955 Springfield barrel. Probably rebuilt after Korea. Maybe in the last big rebuild at the Springfield Armory. They were rebuilding M1s there until McNamara closed it in 67-68. (My dad worked there at that time)( I did get some free cleaning rods, Lubriplate pots, oilers and combination tools)
Anyway mine was reparkerized, muzzle wear 0 throat erosion 0-1….btw that is tighter than new ones shipped out during ww2. It does have a new walnut stock group that I finished with 6 coats of birch wood Casey oil and 4 0 steel wool. It’s nicer than the ones I carried while in the service. It’s a great shooter even with my octogenarian eyes. To be period correct it has a leather sling. And yes I do know how to use a leather sling as well as the web one that came on it.
Old bones and arthritis don’t let me use a sitting position any more and kneeling is a literal pain. But prone ( once I get down and settled) and offhand still work fine.
My son has a 1954 service grade, so eventually each of his boys will own one!
 
Very fond of my CMP special 308/7.62. I choose that as my first CMP purchase. I was lucky to get it. (Later inquired on another and cmp said, NADA!) Two years ago, was offered 1500 for it at a club shoot. Knew then it had to go into storage for my boy. I've got others to shoot. When he's out of college it'll probably be worth his college tuition.
 
Old bones and arthritis don’t let me use a sitting position any more and kneeling is a literal pain. But prone ( once I get down and settled) and offhand still work fine.
When I mentioned to one of the Ol’ boys that due to 2 replaced hips, arthritis, and a couple of recent bike wrecks I can really only shoot well now when prone, he informed me the next step is not being able to get back off the ground after going prone.
 
You will be able to find about half of them on GB in a month or two for double the price. No thanks.
CMP M1 program is not really about civilian marksmanship
Thats what burns my ass. They allow 8 per person and you know they will just flip them while others who want one are out of luck.
 
CMP M1 program is not really about civilian marksmanship

I think that is due to CMP having to be self supporting. Not like the subsidized DCM that could limit one to a customer.

In the days when it went to five to a member, a wheeler dealer signed up his whole family and bought 25 rifles. Swapping, scrounging, and buying parts gave him several “correct” rifles which sold for enough to pay for the whole bunch, leaving free mixed guns to sell or shoot.
 
Pretty unrelated, but I'm really depressed that I live in Minnesota sometimes. Too far away from Anniston and the CMP store. Too far away from Atlanta and BLADE Show, or BLADE Texas. We just killed private firearms sales.

It's the worst.

Have done very well with mail order in the past.

If you can afford to order a few extra, and keep the looker(s), the cast-offs either make great gifts, or sell themselves at the price you paid for them.
 
Judging by the grain inclusions - looks like it may be beech, not birch.
I believe you may be correct, ( the “fish scales”) and it may explain some things.

The questions still are:
Is that the stock that the rifle was received with?
Are the numbers on all components the same? (except the gas plug)
 
I believe you may be correct, ( the “fish scales”) and it may explain some things.
The questions still are:
Is that the stock that the rifle was received with?
Not likely it’s the original stock, assuming the serial number would date it to being a legit McFarland-era (1943) SA M1. And the stock would need to display a legit cartouche as well, not to mention the correct clip latch recess (visible when the rifle is field-stripped).

Are the numbers on all components the same? (except the gas plug)
If by “the same” you mean are all the components correct for the build-date of the rifle, that can’t be known without seeing all the revision #s and heat lot codes on the various components in relation to the serial number on the receiver, … which hasn’t been shown in any of the photos of the receiver he’s posted thus far.

And any M1 with the post-war T105 type rear sight that was sourced from Anniston Armory is presumptively a re-build anyway (likely ‘60s-era) until proven otherwise.
 
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I believe you may be correct, ( the “fish scales”) and it may explain some things.

The questions still are:
Is that the stock that the rifle was received with?
Are the numbers on all components the same? (except the gas plug)

Unless it's being offered for sale as such?

One of the enjoyable things about M1 Rifles - is their stories.

This six-digit Service Grade (not for sale) parachuted into Sainte-Mère-Église.

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I believe you may be correct, ( the “fish scales”) and it may explain some things.

The questions still are:
Is that the stock that the rifle was received with?
Are the numbers on all components the same? (except the gas plug)

YES ,YES and the original sight is on MY shooting SA at the moment .

Has ANYONE who has purchased a DCM or CMP have and ALL matching numbers gun ?. I NEVER got one of those and personally don't know anyone who did ,perhaps out of 3 Dozen club members purchasing more than #1 Rifle each . Over a # of years .

The Stock is BIRCH I assure You or anyone else . It is what it is ,perhaps it was Rebuilt or arsenalized , when ? , NO Idea !. As it came into MY possession in 1970 and I had the pick out of #6 to choose from . I took Sarges word they were found in storage in maintenance area ,as he could find NO record on ANY of them via serial #'s . So he assumed after the Base Commandant ,allowed him to purchase them ,they might of been stored UN-issued . What I was told . Seems apparently that consensuses is incorrect .

Sarge has slept among the stars for quite sometime now ,so NO way of my refreshing his memory .

MY Thumb Generally covers MY Weapons Serial #'s ,as I prefer NOT to air MY laundry in public . Entirely different IF I were selling said M1 ,I'd strip it and show ALL matching SA #'s ,as the Price would demand it .
 
I don’t need to see your serial number, or the parts that are supposedly serialized to match, because…

A. No Garand was ever manufactured originally with anything but a Black Walnut stock. Birch and cherry was used for rebuilds and replacement. (European) Beech was used as replacement on Dutch M1s given to them and produced by them

B. No Garand had the individual parts serialized to match the receiver serial number. The numbers on bolts, op rods, trigger groups, ect are not serial numbers, they are drawing numbers that record the production changes and differences in heat treating. When you say a M1 is “correct” it means the drawing numbers are correct for the time frame of the receivers assembly, they never matched the receivers serial number.

I have seen US rifles that never had individually parts serial numbered come back from overseas with some parts serialized, ie M1917s went to Britain with unmarked bolts and came back with matching serialized bolts that were added in Britain to comply with their regulations.

I have seen M1 Garands that came back from the Dutch with serialized stocks, but no other part.

All this information is very easy to check on the internet, and standard knowledge to M1 owners and collectors.

If your rifle was rebuilt at Anniston Depot it should have a electrical pencil engraving on the receiver leg under the stock with a code for by whom and a date.

If you rifle was rebuilt by the Dutch it may have a beech stock, and a matching (or not) serial number added to the stock.

Because of different parts being produced at different times and places, then assembled in mass the finish color, texture, ect on different parts are usually slightly different, and milling marks are present.

When the rifle is used hard the milling marked smooth out, and sandblasting removes the marks even more.
When you see a rifle with the same finish on all parts, no milling marks, and a frosty uniform heavily parked finish with the numbers not crisp it is a sign the rifle has been reworked.

As shooters, unissued military reworks (NOT DCM/CMP) are some of the best rifles to own.

I hope you enjoy your gift from a valued friend, but if you are going to claim “ never issued” you are going to be asked to prove it, especially if you add information that never was ( individual parts all serialized to match receiver serial numbers) and the fact that many people try to fool unsuspecting buyers into paying for something that never was after refinishing and trading around parts to make them “correct”.

Now, someone could have electrical penciled, or laser or acid etched a matching serial number on all parts, but not a manufacture stamped professionally at time of assembly serial number on a M1 Garand parts.
German K98 Mauser, P 08 Luger, FALs yes, but not on US Garands.
 
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