Sex offender registration - for a sheep-abuser???

[Preacherman]

This makes me wonder about the purposes of laws. I can understand a sex offender, whose crimes were committed against people, having to register as such - but for a sheep?

From Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060215...n9eacWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-):

Tue Feb 14, 10:13 PM ET

Mich. Man Sentenced in Sheep Abuse Case

BATTLE CREEK, Mich. - A man who pleaded no contest to a sodomy charge involving a sheep says he should not have to register as a sex offender.

Jeffrey S. Haynes said the state registry is intended to keep track of people who have committed crimes against humans.

But Calhoun County Circuit Court Judge Conrad Sindt told Haynes at his sentencing hearing that once he is released from prison, he must register with the Michigan State Police Public Sex Offender Registry.

Haynes, 42, of Battle Creek, was sentenced Monday to 2 1/2 years to 20 years in prison. He entered the plea in January. A no contest plea is not an admission of guilt but is treated as such for sentencing purposes.

Tamara Towns, an assistant prosecutor for the county, argued that Haynes should be ordered to register as a sex offender because once out of prison, he could prey on children or vulnerable adults.

Haynes said he is not a violent person and would not assault children.

"The prosecutor is being real hard on me for what I did," he said. "But I should not be treated as a child molester."

A telephone call seeking comment was left Tuesday at the Marshall office of defense attorney John B. Sullivan.

Police said Haynes had sex with a sheep at a Bedford Township farm on Jan. 26, 2005. The animal's owner caught him on the property and the sheep was found injured.

Haynes was arrested in June after a DNA sample taken from the animal matched Haynes' genetic material.

Haynes has prior convictions for burglary, home invasion and uttering and publishing, and was on parole for burglary at the time of the sex crime.

 

[Polishrifleman]

I really don't know how to respond to this.

Unless sex with a farm animal is accepted in today's society put him on house arrest and let him walk the streets of the area where he commited the crime. Prison time is only going to lead him further down the path of perversion when someone treats him like a sheep.

Wheras public scorn and scrutiny is going to send a message to him that sex with farm animals is unacceptable behavior and not to be tolerated. He isn't complaining about going to prison (based on his record he has probably already been there) a roof, cable tv, 3 squares a day, gym time etc.. he is complaining about being labeled a sex offender.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Call his story "Brokeback Mountain" and they'll give him an Oscar instead.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

baaaaaad maaaaan
baaaaaaaad maaan!

 

[HankB]

Haynes has prior convictions for burglary, home invasion and uttering and publishing, and was on parole for burglary at the time of the sex crime.

This loser has a criminal history, but the latest offense sounds like animal cruelty, not a sex crime . . . but what the %$!! is " . . . uttering and publishing . . . " and why is it considered a crime? Is it something like slander or libel?

 

[mondocomputerman]

Making your way with sheep is Baaaaaaad.

 

[cuchulainn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttering_and_Publishing

In United States law, uttering and publishing is a crime similar to counterfeiting but with non-official documents. For example, forging a log for personal profit might be considered uttering and publishing. Another example would be the forging of a university diploma. As an example of the law itself, the State of Michigan defines the offense (MCL 750.249): "Any person who utters and publishes as true any false, forged, altered or counterfeit record, deed, instrument or other writing specified, knowing it to be false, altered, forged, or counterfeit, with intent to injure or defraud is guilty of uttering and publishing."

 

[Biker]

Well, ya sure as hell keep 'im away from farm animals. As his PO, I wouldn't let him subscribe to Outdoor Life or Field and Stream. Let's see, can't attend Dog Shows, stay away from the local zoo, no hunting (necrophilia rears its ugly head!) and no stuffed animals in the house.
Biker

 

[Ohen Cepel]

The guy sounds like a career scumbag.

I think he should be on the list since so often animal abuse is the beginning for many people who go on to do sick stuff to other people.

Sick and twisted bast....

 

[TequilaMockingbird]

A no contest plea is not an admission of guilt but is treated as such for sentencing purposes.

"Ah, I was just helping this sheep over fence..."

I guess that excuse just didn't wash.

 

[KriegHund]

Erm...strange.

 

[NukemJim]

From my limited understanding some state will make a person convicted of urinating in public as a sex offender.

IIRC there was a case within the last year where a man was convicted of a sex crime for grabbing the arm of a 14year old female whom he had almost hit with his car. He grabbed the girl's arm to yell at her. He was also made to register as a sex offender.

Just remember we have a judicial system NOT a justice system.

NukemJim

 

[Vern Humphrey]

There was a case in Virginia about 10 years ago where someone was sexually assaulting horses. One of horses died.

I can imagine the scene in prison, meeting a new cell mate.

"Wadda ya in for, buddy?"

"Armed robbery. How's about yourself?"

"Oh, I screwed a horse to death."

"Say what!!"

 

[Chrontius]

First... thank you for the jokes. You made my day a little better

Second, I'm not sure how I feel about this. Many zoophiles are pretty harmless, but many animal abusers are not -- there is a difference. (abnormal psych books can be quite eye-opening )

If anything, charge him with animal abuse and let everything go on public record.

 

[Azrael256]

Baaaa means No!

I have not the ability to wrap my mind around this one for comment, but I feel compelled to tell you all that.

That is all.

Edit: Is anybody else picturing the bear scene from Super Troopers?

 

[Optical Serenity]

A sheep lover on the list? Well, I don't have a problem with that. That is a pretty bad / strange offense. You think a man that looks at a sheep like that won't look at your children the same way?

I say paradrop him in Afghanistan

 

[joab]

What is the age ofconsent for sheep in Michigan, did the sheep press charges or did the jealous farmer.

His probation conditions should be that he be prohibitted from owning or wearing hip waders.

there was a case within the last year where a man was convicted of a sex crime for grabbing the arm of a 14year old female whom he had almost hit with his car. He grabbed the girl's arm to yell at her. He was also made to register as a sex offender.

That was his story but the original post in that thread left out the part about him grabbing the girls arm and trying to drag her back to his car before she broke away and ran to safety.

 

[CentralTexas]

This makes me wonder about the purposes of laws. I can understand a sex offender, whose crimes were committed against people, having to register as such - but for a sheep?

Preacherman,
I notice you are from Louisiana, to the rest of the country this just isn't natural!
CT

 

[Jeff White]

I suppose it depends on how the Michigan law is worded. The judge may have no choice but to order that.

Often laws like that are written by advocacy groups and don't take into consideration other things in the criminal code that may be classed as sex offenses.

We have a pig molester living in my area. He set off the alarm at the Sale Barn one night and the deputy and state trooper who responded caught him in the act with a sow.

The states attorney wouldn't file any of the appropriate sex charges because he didn't want a public uproar. The man pled guilty to criminal trespass, but the secret was let out when he was sentenced. The local radio station read the conditions of his probation on the air, one of which was he was not to be within 300 feet of a barnyard animal...

Jeff

 

[joab]

We have a pig molester living in my area. He set off the alarm at the Sale Barn one night and the deputy and state trooper who responded caught him in the act with a sow.

My granddaddy taught me to never diddle pigs.
They'll squeal on you every time

 

[Biker]

My granddaddy taught me to never diddle pigs.
They'll squeal on you every time

Ohhhh, now that was good, although I would've substituted "pork" for "diddle".

Biker

 

[AJ Dual]

I wonder if the guy was a member of NAMLA? (National Man-Lamb Love Association)…

But I think he should still be forced to register as a sex offender. The neighborhood kids may be safe, but what about the pets?

There was that one guy who died after letting a horse have it's way with him. Does the horse have to register?

 

[Oleg Volk]

On a purely logical level: it is legal to kill a sheep you own, make a condom out of its skin and wear it while sexing with another human. It is not legal have sex with the live sheep. Where does intimacy with a dead, unbutchered sheep fall, legally?

Why is this thread even get to THR instead of APS?

 

[cosine]

Why is this thread even get to THR instead of APS?

Ah... um... because, you see... oh! Preacherman, a mod, posted it. Yeah, that's right!

 

[Vern Humphrey]

On a purely logical level: it is legal to kill a sheep you own, make a condom out of its skin and wear it while sexing with another human. It is not legal have sex with the live sheep. Where does intimacy with a dead, unbutchered sheep fall, legally?

Why is this thread even get to THR instead of APS?

I used to work with a young lady who told me her husband was an avid gardener. When they lived in New York City, he had a window box, but they lived so high up wind-borne pollen wouldn't reach them. So he took a pencil, dipped it in one flower, transferred the pollen to another and so on.

I said, "Do you realize you're married to a man who has sex with vegetables?"