Sex offender registration - for a sheep-abuser???

[tellner]

Do non-sapient adult creatures have rights? No, they don’t. Since non-sapient creatures lack the ability to act intelligently after their brains and bodies have fully matured, they thus lack the ability to behave morally, with consideration to rights. Quid pro quo, you can’t/don’t respect rights, you ain’t got ‘em.

There are plenty of laws against cruelty to animals. They assume that animals are entitled to a certain amount of humane treatment.

 

[CentralTexas]

Do non-sapient adult creatures have rights? No, they don’t. Since non-sapient creatures lack the ability to act intelligently after their brains and bodies have fully matured, they thus lack the ability to behave morally, with consideration to rights. Quid pro quo, you can’t/don’t respect rights, you ain’t got ‘em.

Of course, as a practical matter, this guy is a real sicko. But his other crimes are what warrant serious attention as to his dangerous nature, not boning a non-human creature.

This is the same, as when you hear "Serial Killer started by strangling dogs".
So, you think it is okay to have sex with animals because of their status?
By that reasoning why should there be laws against setting puppies on fire if it amuses you?
Good thing the retarded are "sentient" which is what I suppose you mean. Actually, many of the retarded aren't so.....



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[c_yeager]

It's called beastiality IMHO if you are low enough to have sex with a horse or sheep or any animal for that matter you should be registered as a sex offender.

FYI Bestiality is not even a crime in all 50 states. It doesnt sit well that something that is not a crime in one state will get someone a permanent brand as a "sex offender" in another state.

I do thing there are some doctrine problems when people believe its OK to kill animals for recreation but not to have sex with them. Yeah I know, its horrible and I wouldnt want to be within 10 feet of a person who practices intercourse with animals, but the sheep probably was A-OK after the act, how was the last deer you hunted doing by the end of the day? Like it or not it is a for of "recreation" taken at the expense of an animal, and if your OK with one form of that then it doesnt make alot of sense to be against another.

 

[Harve Curry]

I was wondering about that. How is it that our goverment people can turn wolves loose that eat the sheep from the butt forward while they are still alive, sreaming, and kickin.
The sheep probably already forgot about it and this guy goes to jail for a crime that isn't on the books in 50 states?
I don't condone what the weirdo did, but we are supposed to be a nation of laws.

 

[AJ Dual]

FYI Bestiality is not even a crime in all 50 states. It doesnt sit well that something that is not a crime in one state will get someone a permanent brand as a "sex offender" in another state.

I do thing there are some doctrine problems when people believe its OK to kill animals for recreation but not to have sex with them. Yeah I know, its horrible and I wouldnt want to be within 10 feet of a person who practices intercourse with animals, but the sheep probably was A-OK after the act, how was the last deer you hunted doing by the end of the day? Like it or not it is a for of "recreation" taken at the expense of an animal, and if your OK with one form of that then it doesnt make alot of sense to be against another.

I see where you're going, but hunting isn't purely a "recreational activity".

Deer hunting in many states also has attributes of:

- Wildlife managment.

- Procuring food for humans. (Arguably on a higher moral plane than buying meat at a supermarket, IMO...)

- A cultural expression/family bonding activity.

- Being a natural extension of human's role as a predator.

And unless someone invents a "Sheep telepathy helmet" no one can say for sure that being sexualy molested by someone/something outside it's species isn't traumatic.

OTOH, getting shot with a rifle is probably "better" than having your throat ripped out by wolves.

 

[CentralTexas]

FYI Bestiality is not even a crime in all 50 states. It doesnt sit well that something that is not a crime in one state will get someone a permanent brand as a "sex offender" in another state.

I do thing there are some doctrine problems when people believe its OK to kill animals for recreation but not to have sex with them. Yeah I know, its horrible and I wouldnt want to be within 10 feet of a person who practices intercourse with animals, but the sheep probably was A-OK after the act, how was the last deer you hunted doing by the end of the day? Like it or not it is a for of "recreation" taken at the expense of an animal, and if your OK with one form of that then it doesnt make alot of sense to be against another.

You could argue ,that if done properly there is minimal suffering on the part of the animal. A night with "bubba" might be different.
I personally don't hunt, eat, wear or have sex with animals for the same reasons....
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[CentralTexas]

I was wondering about that. How is it that our goverment people can turn wolves loose that eat the sheep from the butt forward while they are still alive, sreaming, and kickin.
The sheep probably already forgot about it and this guy goes to jail for a crime that isn't on the books in 50 states?
I don't condone what the weirdo did, but we are supposed to be a nation of laws.

What about states rights???

Whether it's the law in all 50 states is irrelevant, unless you only want the Federal laws for us to all live by.

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[Nightfall]

There are plenty of laws against cruelty to animals. They assume that animals are entitled to a certain amount of humane treatment.

There are plenty of laws against plenty of things. It doesn’t mean they follow a logical, consistent standard with respect to rights, what they are, and who has them.

This is the same, as when you hear "Serial Killer started by strangling dogs".

Are you saying that my post is the equivalent warning sign of a man strangling animals? Or are you saying sex with sheep is the equivalent of strangling them to death? While I agree animal cruelty is a very likely sign of other immoral actions, I do not associate what may be a desire to pleasure an animal (uh, this is making me queasy...) with enjoying the torture of said creature.

So, you think it is okay to have sex with animals because of their status?

Do I think it’s okay? No, not at all. My personal standard for sex is only within the bounds of a consenting, long-term, monogamous relationship with another human adult who meets my standards of moral behavior. But that is my personal standard on the matter. I do not let my personal preferences cloud my logical assessment of what the law should be.

By that reasoning why should there be laws against setting puppies on fire if it amuses you?

There shouldn’t be, but not because it "amuses me". That is a sick activity so far beyond disturbing I can't quite wrap my mind around it. But is burning a puppy any different than keeping animals in tightly confining cages before they are slaughtered and packaged for our consumption? Is it any different than the lion slowly tearing apart a gazelle while it breathes its last breaths in unimaginable terror and pain? If we use the force of government to stop puppy abuse, it is inconsistent and illogical not to stop the fisherman who lets a fish suffocate to death, or beheads it while it gasps for useable oxygen. Or the owl tearing apart the rodent, etc. The law absolutely must be consistent, logical, and applied equally in all cases. Jailing a man for burning puppies, and not caring when he kills and skins an animal for its aesthetically pleasing fur is NOT that consistency.

Good thing the retarded are "sentient" which is what I suppose you mean. Actually, many of the retarded aren't so.....

Sentience is the ability to sense and feel. Sapience is the ability to act with intelligent consideration. Retarded people do possess sapience, just a below human average amount.

 

[Lupinus]

sicko yeah, but he shouldn't be labled a sex offender.

That is for rapists and people that molest little kids, not people that get their jollies rear ending the blue ribbon winner at last weeks country fair.

 

[c_yeager]

I see where you're going, but hunting isn't purely a "recreational activity".

Deer hunting in many states also has attributes of:

- Wildlife managment.

- Procuring food for humans. (Arguably on a higher moral plane than buying meat at a supermarket, IMO...)

- A cultural expression/family bonding activity.

- Being a natural extension of human's role as a predator.

And unless someone invents a "Sheep telepathy helmet" no one can say for sure that being sexualy molested by someone/something outside it's species isn't traumatic.

OTOH, getting shot with a rifle is probably "better" than having your throat ripped out by wolves.

I agree with you about some of the virtues about hunting. The point I am making is that there is a clear disconect between animals and humans, and that this is something that we need to recognize. Killing an animal is not a crime like killing a person is. So why should a sex-offense commited against an animal be treated the same as one against a person?

 

[fantacmet]

Hrm, makes you wonder, did they catch him with rubber boots and velcro gloves? So there is a history of beastiality leading to child rape? I had no idea. However someone made a point, we have a judicial system, not a justice system. Prosecuters don't give two turds if someone actually did something or not they are only concerned can we get this person in jail? It makes them look better. Plus since when is jailtime the absolute answer for everything? It isn't. Neither is banning things or barring certain people from using them. We need to look deeper at the bigger picture. Make people responsible for their actions, period. But make it fit, don't just make jail time the only punishment and same with probation. Half the time they don't work.

Rev. Michael

Seems a bit of castration might be in order? I could think of many other humorous idea's but hey I won't post them. Not this time anyway.

P.S.

If you're havin' trouble with your barnyard friends
You got a thing for ewes
Been countin' sheep, but you're not in bed
Here's what you gotta do

Get off the farm, stay outta the barn
Go read a nursery rhyme
Don't ring 976-BAAA, that kind of love's a crime

My friend Larry has a little lamb
Her fleece is white as snow
He keeps braggin' 'bout her night and day
Someone should tell him NO.

Look at the flock, they're all in shock
Here comes that mutton fan
Knock off the fleece, give them some peace
Don't be a barndoor man, no.

Dirty Deeds Done With Sheep
Dirty Deeds Little Bo Peep
Dirty Deeds Done With Sheep
Dirty Deeds and they're done with sheep
Dirty Deeds and they're done with sheep

Velcro gloves, kneepads, late night dates
Done with sheep
Warning signs, electric fences, high voltage
Done with sheep

Dirty Deeds, don't tell them what I done to you!
Done with sheep
Dirty deeds, Dirty deeds!
Dirty deeds done with sheep --Baaaaa!
(Quiet gals, I think the shepard's comin')

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[joab]

There are plenty of laws against cruelty to animals. They assume that animals are entitled to a certain amount of humane treatment.

How do we know that he didn't kiss her first or that he wasn't really going to call her. Assuming that it was a her

By that reasoning why should there be laws against setting puppies on fire if it amuses you?

And by your reasoning I should greet my wife in a silk robe with a can of lighter fluid in one hand and a zippo in the other when she gats home from work tonight

The guy needs help but he doesn't need to be listed as a sex offender.

Has anybody seen a picture of him, maybe he's ugly

 

[dmallind]

Call his story "Brokeback Mountain" and they'll give him an Oscar instead.

Don't take this the wrong way but when I saw the movie the first thing I thought was "this would never make sense in England - with so many sheep around nobody would believe they would try gay sex instead"

Of course I grew up in Yorkshire, where men are men and sheep are nervous

 

[f4t9r]

baaaaaad maaaaan
baaaaaaaad maaan!

thats funny , I was thinking that

 

[Crosshair]

If it was his sheep, I really don't see a problem. Yes it is wierd and disturbing, but if that is your thing, go for it. If it was a farmers sheep, charge him with vandalising property. If you start putting people like this on the list then it is going to make the term "sex offender" meaningless, just as the work "felony" has become meaningless.

 

[CentralTexas]

Ok, let's go a different way.
For those that say he shouldn't get a "sex offender" conviction do you think is at least an offense where animal cruelty type laws exist?
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[Biker]

This whole thing could make a killer pickup truck commercial.
*sheep grazing, hears a sound, eyes go wide, begins running as it bleats out to the rest of the flock "Da-a-a-adge!"*

*Bucktooth Deliverence type guy running across a grassy meadow with his Wranglers around his ankles yelling "RAM POWER!"*

Biker

 

[mrmeval]

Yes it's an udder disaster.

This loser has a criminal history, but the latest offense sounds like animal cruelty, not a sex crime . . . but what the %$!! is " . . . uttering and publishing . . . " and why is it considered a crime? Is it something like slander or libel?

 

[CentralTexas]

Nightfall wrote-
"There shouldn’t be, but not because it "amuses me". That is a sick activity so far beyond disturbing I can't quite wrap my mind around it. But is burning a puppy any different than keeping animals in tightly confining cages before they are slaughtered and packaged for our consumption? Is it any different than the lion slowly tearing apart a gazelle while it breathes its last breaths in unimaginable terror and pain?"

I agree that burning a puppy isn't really different than mistreating animals used for food.
I find it a bit hypocritical that the majority of meat eaters protect "pet" animals and would be offended if a neighbor mistreated their dog (or Vietnamese pot belly pig) and later went out for a ham dinner. It's how society views what is normal and acceptable. It also involves a huge money trail & lobby combining the hunting industry and the food industry.
As far as the lion & gazelle bit, you do realize a human law is for humans and laws of nature are for animals? Where are you going with that?

Then Nightfall wrote-
"If we use the force of government to stop puppy abuse, it is inconsistent and illogical not to stop the fisherman who lets a fish suffocate to death, or beheads it while it gasps for useable oxygen.Or the owl tearing apart the rodent, etc. The law absolutely must be consistent, logical, and applied equally in all cases. Jailing a man for burning puppies, and not caring when he kills and skins an animal for its aesthetically pleasing fur is NOT that consistency."


You got it, you have realized laws protecting puppies (domestic pets)but not farmed & entertainment animals are inconsistent. This realization scares the heck out of the multi-billion dollar hunting/food industry. Thankfully for them the law, hunting culture, religions and a few other things don't keep most of America from not using animals for entertainment and food.
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[madmike]

Alternate names for Brokeback Mountain. Mods, remove any that are too risque. I already took some out.

10. Bone-anza
9. Way Out West Hollywood
7. Prances With Wolves
5. Bi Noon
4. Tail Rider
3. McCabe &Mr. Miller
2. Rawhides
1. Blazing Saddles
Next ten:

10. "Not-That-There's-Anything-Wrong-With-That Mountain"
9. "How The West Was Hung"
8. "Little Bathhouse on the Prairie"
7. "For a Few Dollars More We Can Make It a Threesome""
5. "Clint Eastwood's Nightmare"
4. "The Good, The Bad and The Fabulous!"
Next ten:


10. "The Good, The Bad And The Hunky"
9. "How The West Was Redecorated"
8. "The Adventures Of Frank And Jesse And James"
7. "Seven Brothers For Seven Brothers"
6. "Butch Cassidy And The Even Butcher Sundance Kid"
4. "Dances with Men"
3. "The Magnificent Seven Inches"
1. "A Fistful Of Wild Bill"

And I don't see a problem, if the sheep was a freely consenting adult over age 18.

Of course, if our Atty Genl hadn't banned sales of the Love Ewe (inflatable sheep), this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[CentralTexas]

I have now come to the conclusion that bestiality may not deserve sex offender status. It should bring animal cruelty or another charge without a doubt. Some here will argue it's not cruel, well maybe you have a gentle way, please don't go into details.

From a public health standpoint, what is the possibility of disease? Green monkeys and AIDS? Bird Flu?

Extra Credit thinker- If you eat a ham sandwich that is the product of your neighbor Bob's farm and Bob "got down" with the pig, Did you just have a relationship with Bob by proxy?
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[Crosshair]

Ok, let's go a different way.
For those that say he shouldn't get a "sex offender" conviction do you think is at least an offense where animal cruelty type laws exist?
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Depends if the animal enjoyed it? Don't laugh, I'm serious.

 

[Lupinus]

Depends if the animal enjoyed it? Don't laugh, I'm serious

Anyone who has ever had a cat in heat sticking their ass at them knows you are serious lmao

 

[Biker]

Depends if the animal enjoyed it? Don't laugh, I'm serious.

How the hell would you know that? A sheep can't say 'Oh yeah baby! Faster!'
I'm serious too.

Biker

 

[cbsbyte]

Let me first say, that this guy is one sick puppy. But if he get his jollies by humping sheep, and not little boys then let him. There is nothing in states laws, besides in Montana where it is illegal to ???? sheep. A sheep is not a human, and is not under the same protection. Though you can bring himup on animal curalty. Until that happens you better give your sheep some condoms.