Shootability and Recoil of PF-9 v. P-3AT

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Pf9 & P3at

Let me start today by saying, Sorry if my first language is not English so on my threads you will see a lot of grama but my point comes accros so if you are critical of my spelling it means you probaly did not like what was written. It hit a nerve Ha. for every one practice trigger control and you will shoot all pistols and revol. fine, A friend of mine and I whent to an out door range, he tried shooting his snub nose 38 spl. cold not shoot for his life, I took it was nocking the bolling pins left and right.
 
kokapelli--well, depending on your age, your pistols / revolvers, and your inclinations, I'd try a Crimson Trace laser grip.

I originally bought them (I have two, a CT-305 and a CT-405) for my carry guns. I learned how to use them in SD scenarios, and now I have sorted out how to use them for practice and developing good trigger technique. Since I come from a marksmanship background, it's easy for me to get lost in "marksmanship" issues.

When I was at the range last week (indoors, low-contrast lighting) shooting a Kimber 10mm and a new EAA Elite Match 10mm, my eyes-age issue jumped up again--ALL OF IT (target, front, and rear) is a blur now. I may even add a laser here, just to ease the frustration. (I'm not inclined to mount red-dots on semiautos).

Like I say, if you're having trouble with eyes too, it's something to consider, IMO.

Jim H.
 
kokapelli--well, depending on your age, your pistols / revolvers, and your inclinations, I'd try a Crimson Trace laser grip.

I originally bought them (I have two, a CT-305 and a CT-405) for my carry guns. I learned how to use them in SD scenarios, and now I have sorted out how to use them for practice and developing good trigger technique. Since I come from a marksmanship background, it's easy for me to get lost in "marksmanship" issues.

When I was at the range last week (indoors, low-contrast lighting) shooting a Kimber 10mm and a new EAA Elite Match 10mm, my eyes-age issue jumped up again--ALL OF IT (target, front, and rear) is a blur now. I may even add a laser here, just to ease the frustration. (I'm not inclined to mount red-dots on semiautos).

Like I say, if you're having trouble with eyes too, it's something to consider, IMO.

Jim H.
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Thanks Jim. My eyes are 75 years old, but I have solved the accuracy problem with a more concealable PM9 and a Para Worthog that are thinner than a revolver and I'm much more accurate with them.
 
kokapelli:
I have a Mk III, usually with a Bushnell red dot, used to use a Bushnell scope sometimes. At 50 feet with a front rest/red dot, about 3/8". I have a feeling a Ransom rest would do 1/4". :D

We won't discuss my off-hand ... :uhoh:
 
Had a PM-9 and a PF-9. The PM-9 is twice the price, but a smoother package. The PF-9 is very practical, but after about 100 rounds my thumb was sore for a couple days. I sold my PF-9 and got a Glock 19 for two reasons:

1. Soft trigger reset -- doesn't work with the PF-9.
2. Magazine capacity.

After shooting both at the indoor range, I'd say the Glock 19 is twice as accurate. JMHO.
 
kokapelli:
I have a Mk III, usually with a Bushnell red dot, used to use a Bushnell scope sometimes. At 50 feet with a front rest/red dot, about 3/8". I have a feeling a Ransom rest would do 1/4".

We won't discuss my off-hand ...
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51 Cards,
Shooting from a rest would be doable, but I think he is suggesting it was offhand.

I have a PF9 and P-3AT and consider myself a reasonably good shot and there is no way I could do what he says, both he and his wife do with what are basically meant to be point and shoot pistols that are anything but precision quality and that have a very short sight radius with very rudimentary sights to boot.

I could be wrong and if I am I apologize, but I would have to see it to believe it!
 
about carry-sized 9mms--

After my basically-positive experience with my P3AT (problems caused by my initial magazine insertion; I put the mag home hard and shaved the release), I've been looked at a carry-able 9mm again. So, the PF-9 has jumped out at me, for any number of reasons.

So far, I consider the PF-9 to be on the list--for size and weight alone. But, in all honesty, I do consider Kel-Tecs to be BUGs at best, at least for me with my type of ownership values. They are "hobby guns" that should work, but it won't be the first one out of the pocket.

I no longer have an interest, really, in 9mm--but that's because my shooting is really tied to my reloading interests. But, I have about 1500 rounds of 9mm reloads that really should be shot up. Some of them are 'eccentric' ones that I really wouldn't want to run through a plastic pistol. And, because I blew up a Glock 20 ten years ago, I have a real bias against plastic pistols, anyway. It gets in the way of considering some guns that now apparently have survived their gestation (like the Kahr PM9).

In addition to the (current) PF-9, and the PM-9, my next segue has been to acknowledge an alloy frame. Personally, I consider the S&W 3rd-generation compact 9s (3906, 3913, etc.) to be virtually ideal. But, in new / cheap guns, I do read and hear good things about the Bersa Thunder 9. Does anyone have experience with these?

Jim H.
 
Pf9, P3at

My accuracy is do to triger control, I have several witnesses and coworkers, since we do groops and go to the range
 
Again, I have to recommend the Bersa Thunder .380. It's a little bigger than the P3AT, a little heavier, and is a blast to shoot. My wife shoots it regularly.
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IMO "It's a little bigger than the P3AT, a little heavier" is understating the difference.

My P-3AT and my Bersa, side by side........

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My 1st generation P3A-T is not pleasant to shoot, but I can get through 30 or 40 rounds at a time. By which time my trigger finger has been tenderized about as much as I can take. The recoil into my hand is not so bad, but the finger gets to hurting.

I sanded the back corner of the frame to remove all the sharp corners and edges, when I first got it. I'll be checking the trigger for an edge that maybe I didn't notice.

my wife's Colt Agent .38 spl snubbie. It's all steel.
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The Agent is not all steel. The frame is aluminum alloy. The all steel version is the Detective Special, one of the finest sixguns ever made. And that is why the Agent jumps back vigorously :D

Bart Noir
 
My PF9 was considerably more accurate with hogue wrap around grips than my P3AT. I have very large hands and the 3AT was painful to shoot.
The PF9 was slightly better to me, but I ended up selling it and buying a G27. I think for a pocket gun I will look for a revolver instead.
 
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