New Kel-Tec PF-9 Received TODAY!!!

[pocketgun]

Now, still waiting for Keltec to do a .22 lr - in this size, or P-11 , for less expensive quality pracitice. I am firm believer in shooting a rimfire as similar as can to centerfire to assist in correct basic fundamentals, and quality practice.

Your wait is going to be a long one. I asked George Kellgren for his thoughts on this at the SHOT show: his reply was that "Ram Line had tried it and it hadn't worked out so well." His non-verbal communication was yelling "NO WAY" however, so I doubt this will be something you see for a long, long time. Sorry.

I dont see what all the fuss is about? 2 less rounds for 2 oz weight and .3" of width. What is the value in that? I cannot figure out why they produced this pistol. BTW, i love my p3-at

They made it to fit in large pockets (cargo pants) and/or to be an extremely thin belt carry. The P-11 now hold 13 rounds with flush-fit mags, and the weight difference is notable when you add in the extra ammo. 0.3" in width is a big difference IMO, especially for pocket carry.

 

[MCgunner]

I think he PF9 is 0.9" width, the P11 is 1.0" so that means a difference of 0.1", not 0.3". 2 oz difference in unloaded weight and only 2 rounds more in the P11, okay, 4 with the new mags. Mine's 10 years old now. I have a P11 and ain't gonna trade it in, it's too bloomin' accurate and works for me too well for pocket carry.

Now then, how accurate is this PF9 off sand bags at 25 yards. That's the question I'd like to know. If it'll shoot under 4" for five shots, it's enough to suit me. My P11 will put a whole magazine into 3.5" and puts 'em to POA. It has an extremely smooth, but long travel trigger. But, it's had over 10K rounds put through it, so I guess it's fluffed and buffed by now.

 

[pocketgun]

Difference in an apples-to-apples comparison (per a KT employee) is 1.125" to 0.88" or 0.27".

Barrel and sight radius are the same on the P-11 and PF-9. Trigger on the PF-9 is about 2.5 pounds lighter (for new pistols) and approx. the same length. The lighter trigger interests me for the speed, not for 25 yard accuracy - something that I will never have a need for - but to each his own.

edited to add: Why get rid of your P-11? Get the PF-9 as a compliment, not a replacement.

 

[Euclidean]

TC-TX: Thank you for sharing. Would it be too much trouble to see the P3AT set on top of the PF-9 to see the size difference? Or to see the thickness of both guns compared? I'm very curious to see how viable this is as a pocket carry, if it will fit into the same spaces as the P3AT.

 

[MCgunner]

Well, I ain't gonna carry both. I just don't see the need for it. If I get another KT, it'll be a P3AT bacause it's tiny and would fill a niche. I have an old Grendel P12, but it's a pretty good sized gun, almost as big as the P11, but just small enough it'll fit a rear jeans pocket in my home made wallet holster.

I have the older 10 lb trigger and don't mind it at all. I think the long trigger affects speed more than the weight of it. I did pretty well with it in IDPA when I used it, but it was slower than my full sized guns. But, I think sight radius had more to do with that than trigger. I shoot Ruger P series guns, a P85 or a P90 usually. The muzzle flip on the bigger guns, especially the 9, is quite a bit better for quick re-acquirement of the sights, too.

What is cool about the P11, though, is that it's accurate enough to meet the requirements of a service pistol. My Grendel is lucky to group 6 or 8 inches at 25 yards. This P11 is a friggin' tack driver by comparison. It may be a "belly gun", but I like accuracy in a firearm, I'm a sucker for it. I like the knowledge that IF I do have to take on a BG with a hostage at 20 yards, I can thread the needle and make the shot. I like the knowledge that at extended ranges I can hit center mass. I can hit with this thing out at 50 yards from a barracade. Other than a J frame revolver, I've never had a pocket sized gun that accurate.

I can see no reason the PF9 wouldn't be just as accurate as the P11. As I understand it, the slide/barrel is pretty close to the P11, just width and the trigger are improved. I'd like to no if it's as accurate. I might consider one sometime in the future if I knew it was. heck, they'll probably quit building the P11 if everyone flocks to the PF9, anyway.

 

[MCgunner]

TC-TX: Thank you for sharing. Would it be too much trouble to see the P3AT set on top of the PF-9 to see the size difference? Or to see the thickness of both guns compared? I'm very curious to see how viable this is as a pocket carry, if it will fit into the same spaces as the P3AT

It's longer and taller. It is a narrow gun, but that P3AT will work in the smallest pockets I have. I have to shop for large pocket jeans for the P11 to work. Wrangler cargo jeans or Levis carpenter's jeans work really well with it. But, your standard Rustler's, forget it. A P3AT will disappear in about any pocket.

The PF9 is no shorter in length or width than the P11, just a little thinner.

 

[Euclidean]

Thanks MCGunner. I'm really curious about this one because it may get me to buy a Kel Tec. I'd love a 9mm pistol that would be a realistic pocket carry in normal sized Dockers pockets that wasn't a Rohrbaugh. Nothing against the R9, it's just expensive is all.

 

[TC-TX]

Still waiting for Keltec to do 45ACP too...lower pressure with "push" - I feel will work.

I agree with you Steve - however folks like you and me might be waiting a long time for this to happen...

Have you tried the PT-745? I think it is a DREAM .45acp for all of the reasons you listed early in your post (a thinner, still lightweight CCW to wear)...

 

[TC-TX]

What is the value in that? I cannot figure out why they produced this pistol.

Simple - Size, Weight and Trigger...

The .3 size difference is a LOT of difference IMO for CCW... this pistol proves my opinion to be quite accurate...

The weight and weight distribution of this new jewel is VERY conducive to CCW.

This trigger is an incredible improvement over the P11. Period.

I love my P3AT as well... but it usually serves the role of a BUG, or a primary when I can not carry anything else. IMO, the PF-9 does NOT take the place of the P-3AT...

I do not know that this Newest Addition will supplant or replace anything in my stable. I am Quite Certain, though, that it will add a New and Very welcome Dimension to the flock...

It is a Keeper!

 

[TC-TX]

Would it be too much trouble to see the P3AT set on top of the PF-9 to see the size difference? Or to see the thickness of both guns compared?

I will try to get to this tomorrow evening after class...

 

[sm]

TC-TX,

The P-11 is the first deviation in t-o-o many years to even remember. I kept one after testing and evaluation. I honestly made my platform and calibers choices when I was a kid. I started with revolvers at age 3, shot my first centerfire pistol at age 6 - Gov't model of 1911.

I was born in '55...seriously interested in this new offering for others, as I have expressed interest in other guns, for others.

Many folks, have really nice K frames, and they want to set these back from being what they are, and do consider these (no offense, just what we call them) plastic revolvers with a mag.

Meaning, if these new offering fit a niche, that Model 10, Colt Detective Special, Ruger Secuity six...won't ride tractor duty, the PT-11 will.


BHP for 9mm, 1911 for 45ACP - how raised- what you do.

It is all good...

 

[pocketgun]

I just don't see the need for it. If I get another KT, it'll be a P3AT bacause it's tiny and would fill a niche.

Yes, by all means get the P-3AT first - I think you will find it much more suited to back pocket carry than the Grendel.

The PF9 is no shorter in length or height than the P11, just a little thinner.

Fixed it for you - I know what you meant.

 

[JohnKSa]

The rail still kills me...

I can't believe they intentionally put corners on a small carry gun.

 

[Leonovicz]

Endler: Take a look at the photos at MouseGuns.com, particularly pf9003.jpg and pf9004.jpg for a comparison of the PF-9, P-11, and P-3AT.

 

[rich52us]

I have no problem carrying my P-11 in the front pocket of Docker style pants and most of my shorts in a Jagwear holster with a non-print panel. I just don't see what I will be gaining with the PF-9. I carry my P3AT when the P-11 is too big or more discretion is necessary, but usually it's my BUG. I think I'll stick with what I have.

 

[kokapelli]

I wonder why KT did not just put the P-3AT trigger in the P-11?

IMO It would have been a better combination than the PF9

 

[MCgunner]

I wonder why KT did not just put the P-3AT trigger in the P-11?

IMO It would have been a better combination than the PF9

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they do that eventually to update the old design. I think the thinner PF9 does offer a little bit to concealment, but I very much like the double stack capacity of the P11. There is a place for it, just as there is a Glock 30 and a Glock 36. IMHO it's still a great little gun. I should probably put the 8 lbs trigger in mine, but I always figured if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I very much view the little gun as a little square, plastic revolver. I'm a revolver guy anyway, at heart.

If I were going to buy a new 9mm KT and didn't have a P11, I think I would go with the PF9, though. I mean it holds NINE rounds (decent capacity) and is thinner. Every little bit helps in concealment. But, I'm not going to buy one now to replace my P11. If I did buy one, no, I wouldn't sell the P11, but I'd have to figure out which one I wanted to carry cause I ain't gonna carry both. LOL I do need to add that P3AT to my wardrobe, though. That old Grendel still shoots fine, but it's a bit large and if you think the trigger on the P11 sux, you oughta try the P12. LOL! It holds 12 rounds, but normally I can carry the P11 if I'm going to carry that thing. It's out of production and if it ever breaks, it's broke, cause I don't know if I could even get parts for it. Also, I've never stripped it cause it's a royal PITA to do.

Yeah, I need a P3AT next. And, oh, I won't sell my Grendel when I get a P3AT either, though I may never carry it again. I ain't in to selling good guns. That Grendel has worked flawlessly and I've carried it for over 15 years (shhhhhh, we've only had a CCW law for 10). They didn't make many of those things, was not well accepted, so it might be something to have anyway especially since it was sort of the fore-runner of the P11, a Kelgren design.

 

[PX15]

MCgunner:

I'm with you.... It took me a long time (I'm REAL OLD) to come to the conclusion that selling a firearm that has served you well just to buy another firearm you "hope" will serve you as well is not too smart.

In my doteage here's my plan in that regard:

If I like a pistol/revolver I own, I keep it.
If I don't like a pistol/revolver I own, I sell it, trade it away, or give it away.

When I find a new firearm I simply cannot live without I save my meager retirement pennies until I can pay cash for it.... (Just did that with a SOG German surplus Walther P5 in fact.)

There have actually been very few firearms in my past that I was tickled pink to see leave my ownership..

BUT: A first series POS Beretta Tomcat/ a first series (was there ever a 2nd?) POS Charter Arms Pathfinder/a first series POS Taurus P22, and a Chinese Tokarev that I burned up more rounds in trying to get reliable and accurate than I did in buying the darn thing.

Here's my first pistol, a semi-pos Galesi. It holds the place of honor as the absolute last firearm I own that I would place my self defense on, but I'll never sell it. It came at a time when $35 was a lot of money, offered me considerable "imagined" personal protection, and hey, it's old and ugly, but so am I....


Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

 

[MCgunner]

"Pistol toter's license"???? ROFLMAO! Wow, such legaleze... Yeah, I have gotten rid of some guns, either traded or sold, that I really wish I had back. Never again. I have had a few, too, that were junk and one of 'em was a little Beretta! It was a little tip up barrel .22 short. That thing would NOT feed or extract/eject with any reliability and about half the rounds it would not fire on the first hit. I messed with it, couldn't make it work. At least I bought it cheap and sold it for a slight profit at a gun show, good riddance. That was a real disappointment. Everyone says how great Beretta is, but I won't touch one of those little pocket guns again. At least my RG .25 was 100 percent functional even if I couldn't hit a fire truck at fifteen feet with it. :banghead:

 

[Euclidean]

The pics on mouseguns.com really help tell the story. The PF-9 is something I think I'm interested in, because while it's substantially larger than the P3AT, it's probably as thin and small as you're going to get in a major service caliber without spending a wad of dough.

 

[TC-TX]

PF-9 New Range Report

Another 250 rounds tonight...

100 WWB
100 Blazer
50 Ranger +p

Not a Single Hiccup!!!

3 yds. and 7 yds. - all in the X & 9 rings...

I must say though - the +p rounds sure make it known they are in the chamber!!!

It is a Keeper!!!

 

[MCgunner]

I must say though - the +p rounds sure make it known they are in the chamber!!!

With the P11 and I'm sure the PF9, as the mag goes empty, a significant amount of weight is lost and as you shoot, those +Ps kick harder and harder. I had to kinda get used to that.

 

[TC-TX]

...those +Ps kick harder and harder.

Exactly! - But What a GREAT PROBLEM to have!!!

The Muzzle Flash on the DPX's was very distinct as well...

 

[Euclidean]

TC- TX: What is the street price on one of these, if you don't mind sharing?

 

[brett30030]

TC-TX
SN X0054 - This one is a KEEPER!!

TC-TX
It is a Keeper!

TC-TX
It is a Keeper!!!

But are you going to keep it!?