Shooting a Merwin Hulbert early model Army revolver

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In this video I'll be shooting an early Merwin Hulbert Army Model revolver that I picked up at this year's Las Vegas Antique Arms Show.

I think Merwin Hulbert revolvers have the highest "cool factor" of any old west sixshooter. The Colt SAA may have been faster to get into action, and the S&W New Model No. 3 may have been more accurate. But, as an engineering tour de force, you've got to love Merwin Hulbert.



This gun was made in 1878 and it features the open top frame and scooped flutes on the cylinder. It also has the totally cool "Skull Crusher" bird's head grip frame.

This gun is chambered in .44-40, and I shot it with black powder cartridges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSea9_Mt1ok
 
I'd love to find me one of those Merwin & Hulberts!
I remember an old "Have Gun Will Travel" episode where some individual had one. Paladin told him he needed to get a newer gun, but the guy said it worked fine and disassembled it - to have the cylinder fall on the ground! Guess it's a feature, not a bug! Ha ha!
Still having it fall apart did make it appear, atleast superficially, a bit decrepit.
 
Mike, thanks for sharing your Merwin with us. I've always wanted to see how one worked, and never had the chance. Congrats again on adding such a really cool revolver to your arsenal. shoot.gif
 
That is very cool.
Love that old stuff. Watching todays western movies you would think Colt and Winchester were the only two gun manufacturers back then.
I love the Remington, Smiths M&H and such from back then.
 
I remember an old "Have Gun Will Travel" episode where some individual had one. Paladin told him he needed to get a newer gun, but the guy said it worked fine and disassembled it - to have the cylinder fall on the ground! Guess it's a feature, not a bug! Ha ha!
Still having it fall apart did make it appear, atleast superficially, a bit decrepit.

Howdy

There is nothing decrepit about a Merwin Hulbert. Clearly, the prop master did not instruct the actor in the proper way to take the barrel off one. When I bought mine from a friend last year, he was good enough to give me some expert advise in how to take one apart.


Here is what the gun looks like with the barrel all the way forward and rotated 90 degrees. This is the way you unload it.

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If you are going to remove the barrel and cylinder, the first thing is, you always try to take it apart over a table, in case you screw up and drop the cylinder. The other key is to rotate the gun so the barrel is upside down. The cylinder is partially captured by a collar as can be seen in this photo. When you depress the 'removal lever' the barrel and cylinder will slide off the arbor together, because the cylinder is captured by that collar. It the barrel is upside down, the cylinder will not go anywhere. If it is not upside down, the cylinder may slip out of your hands and fall out.

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Easy Peasy

Attended an auction on Saturday and got a chance to examine this one. Chambered for 44 MH, so I was not interested. I also noticed the half cock was not working, so it would be a bit tedious to always remember to hold the hammer back a little bit to open it. I seem to recall it went for about $3000, so it was out of my price range, but it was a beautiful. Look at the close up of the engraving. Merwin Hulbert engraving tended to be very simple geometric patterns stamped into the metal, not cut like most other engraving.

http://www.amoskeag-auction.com/100/147.html
 
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Driftwood Johnson said:
There is nothing decrepit about a Merwin Hulbert. Clearly, the prop master did not instruct the actor in the proper way to take the barrel off one. When I bought mine from a friend last year, he was good enough to give me some expert advise in how to take one apart.

Driftwood ... it's called ACTING.:neener:

I think the M&H was used because it was easy to make the gun look as though it had "fallen apart" due to age, aside from the fact that it was an unusual looking gun that may have been taken for an antique even back then, compared to Paladin's Colt .45.
In any case I don't think the M&H is decrepit; as I said It's an unusual gun and I'd really like to have a M&H in my collection.
 
I read somewhere that the M & H was the only break action revolver that would only eject empties and leave unfired rounds in place. Unlike--say the S & W model 3, which would eject everything whether empty or live.

This allowed one to top off their cylinder after firing only a few rounds.

I was also recently told by an M & H collector that at one time, one of the American importers approached an Italian manufacturer about producing a replica.

However, they finally scrapped the idea because the pistol was just too complex and expensive to produce to stay within a retail price range that the market could bear.

Consequently, he doubted that an M & H replica would ever see the light of day now.

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I read somewhere that the M & H was the only break action revolver that would only eject empties and leave unfired rounds in place. Unlike--say the S & W model 3, which would eject everything whether empty or live.

This allowed one to top off their cylinder after firing only a few rounds.

Yes, in theory they were supposed to work that way. In practice it was not always that simple. The idea is that the gun would only open far enough so that spent rounds would fall free, while live rounds would be retained in the chamber by the bullet. This photo shows the 'extractor ring' at the rear of the frame that pulls the cases out of the chambers by their rims. The problem is it does not grab them by very much.

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Take a look at this photo. This is the way it is supposed to be. You don't know how many times I had to set up this photo because the live rounds kept falling out of the gun. What happens is once the gun is opened up far enough for the empties to fall free, the bullets in the live rounds are not very well retained by the chambers. The bullet can slip, because of the clearances, and the rim of the round falls free of the 'extractor ring'. The result is both the empties and the live rounds fall out at the same time. I have had no success with my MHs keeping live rounds in the chambers and extracting spent brass.

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With a S&W Model 3, you had two options. With the American, Russian, and Schofield models there was a catch at the bottom of the hinge. If this catch was depressed, the extractor did not rise at all when the gun was opened. You could cherry pick the empties out without disturbing the live rounds. Even when operating the gun normally, it does not automatically 'eject everything whether empty or live.' That is not the way they work. What happens when you open the gun is the extractor rises and extracts the rounds. It does not eject them. When the gun is opened far enough, the extractor rod disengages from its ratchet and a spring yanks the extractor back down into the cylinder. The technique for emptying a Model 3 is to open the gun sharply with enough gusto that the empties are thrown free while the extractor rises. Lying the gun sideways while doing this will allow gravity to help. If you simply open the gun and allow the extactor to pop back down, the rounds will fall back into the chambers, they will not be ejected. If you want to cherry pick the empties and leave the live rounds, all you have to do is open the gun partway so all the rounds are partially extracted. Like this.

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I was also recently told by an M & H collector that at one time, one of the American importers approached an Italian manufacturer about producing a replica.

However, they finally scrapped the idea because the pistol was just too complex and expensive to produce to stay within a retail price range that the market could bear.

Consequently, he doubted that an M & H replica would ever see the light of day now.

This rumor has been going around for years. Supposedly Uberti looked into the possibility of recreating the Merwin Hulbert, but backed off because of the complication of the mechanism and the small market. This rumor has been going around for years, but I have seen no actual evidence of it.

What did happen was a few years ago an American company tried to recreate the Merwin Hulbert design. They failed. They never got further than developing a 3D CAD model and creating a few parts. They took deposits for a few years, but finally all the deposits were refunded.
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
The idea is that the gun would only open far enough so that spent rounds would fall free, while live rounds would be retained in the chamber by the bullet. This photo shows the 'extractor ring' at the rear of the frame that pulls the cases out of the chambers by their rims. The problem is it does not grab them by very much.

Hmmmm. I wonder if things were different back in the day those guns were new. In the 19th century cartridges were "balloon head" rather than solid like they are today. Maybe -- just maybe (I'm hypothicizing here) those old balloon rims allowed that extractor ring better purchase on the cartridge and the system thus worked better.
Alternatly ...maybe the bullet ogive was different .....

I don't know. If anyone does please correct me. Just thinking out loud here......
 
Since the "balloon head" was totally internal, I don't see how it could possibly affect extraction of the cartridge case.

Jim
 
Since the "balloon head" was totally internal, I don't see how it could possibly affect extraction of the cartridge case.

Jim
I'm afraid I don't understand your comment about the "balloon head" being internal.
The .22LR is a balloon head cartridge, aside from it being a rimfire. There very definatly IS a rim and it is as "external" as any other rim. Cartridges made as centerfires in the 1870s and shortly after were balloon heads because that particular manufacturing technique remained in vogue until solid head cases were developed.
I am guessing about them extracting differently and I might be wrong....but I remain fairly convinced that both types of rims are pretty "external."
 
The only external difference you would note with a balloon head case is that the rims may be more rounded than solid head construction.

The real difference is internal what with the web of the cartridge base being solid beyond the depth of the primer all around it out to the edge rather than the same thickness the rest of the brass with the primer pocket sticking up out of the cartridge base internally.

Given the more rounded rim of some of the balloon head cartridges and their lack of weight in the head area I would think them MORE likely to cause issues in an M&H.

BTW the very day the video was posted my out west Bud sent pictures of a .32 M&H he just got. Unfortunately the photos are 2 meg each so I can't post them here.

-kBob
 
Driftwood,

Thanks as always for the very nice photos. They explain things well to the folks that have ever seen one. Good of you to take the effort to share.

-kBob
 
Rumour or not I wish that Pietta or Uberti WOULD produce these. What a great action mechanism!

I can't see buying two of them for my action shooting but I'd love to have one MH along with a Uberti S&W break top in the collection.

Duelist, thanks much for another great video on stuff that us regular folks can't always find or justify buying. If we can't actually have them ourselves living vicariously through your videos is at least a nice taste of variety.

And to DJ, thanks for the excellent photos and writeup.
 
Definitely cool! :D


Since the "balloon head" was totally internal, I don't see how it could possibly affect extraction of the cartridge case.
Because modern solid head brass has a better defined rim and extractor groove. A revolver wouldn't make use of an extractor groove but the more well defined rim of solid head brass does make cases slipping under the extractor a bit more difficult.


Rumour or not I wish that Pietta or Uberti WOULD produce these.
Me too!
 
I hope this is visable.

This is the .32 I mentioned above. Says he plans not to shoot it but I am hopeful he does atleast some squib loads in it.

-kBob
 

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Duelist,

Thanks for sharing the video. I'm going to have to subscribe to your channel. Merwin Hulberts remain one of my favorite revolvers of all time. The Pocket Army is still one of my grail guns I hope to own eventually.
 
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