Shooting at Delaware State

[Harvster]

Two students shot on Delaware State campus

Two students have been shot on the campus of Delaware State University.

It happened at about 1 Friday morning near Memorial Hall.

A single male suspect is being sought, but has not yet been apprehended. The investigation is continuing with the assistance of other local police. Until the suspect is apprehended, students, faculty and staff are being directed to remain in their buildings until further notice.

Students, faculty and staff who are not on campus at this time should not go to campus until further notice. Further information will be provided as it is available.



The interesting thing is that earlier this morning on the local website I read in Delaware, there was an audio clip from the head of the Delaware teacher association (can't remember exact title) in reference to CCW in schools. The Woman stated that their position is clear and that if we work hard to provide a safe environment, there is no need for anyone to have a weapon at a school. Now, the link seems to have disappeared!

 

[MD_Willington]

Someone needs to dig deep and find audio clip...

Anyway, pretty sad that someone figures they need to shoot someone while they at a school, but it seems to be becoming more prevalent...

 

[Rumble]

Harvster - what website is it? Delawareonline.com? I've been curious to find that quote, too, but haven't had any luck.

 

[Harvster]

The site was WDEL dot com. A local radio station's website that I look to for DE news. (I just requested the clip and will post it if/when I receive it)

 

[ozwyn]

another gun free zone at work - preparing the unarmed to get slaughtered.

 

[springmom]

Here is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297551,00.html

Hardly a VT situation, but still sad.

Springmom

 

[Rumble]

I found it - http://wdel.com/features/AIR0922.mp3. (the MP3 is listed as copyright September 21, 2007, so I assume that's the posting date).

I'm from Delaware - this hits close to home. Fortunately, my siblings have all passed college age, but I hope that the two victims recover.

 

[RuffRidr]

What was the context of that audio link? Is there an accompanying article that went along with it?

--RuffRidr

 

[ZeSpectre]

As I posted elsewhere

Gun Control - So that the students can "feel" safe
Criminals - Proving that "feelings" really don't matter much compared to actions.

 

[Dick1911]

It's a terrible thing for the students, I wish them a speedy recovery. I also wish a speedy capture of the perp.

As for Delaware State and the audio clip, they have failed the students as they didn't provide a safe enough environment for them. I wonder if the school should be held liable since the school has decided to provide security for their students and not allow the students to help themselves?

 

[Harvster]

"What was the context of that audio link? Is there an accompanying article that went along with it?"

It was a quote from the head of an education group or teacher's group in Delaware. It concerned elementary and high schools. So it is not directly related to the DSU situation but, I found it ironic that it was posted at the same time as the DSU matter. It could just have easily happened at a high school.

This is the response I received from WDEL when requesting the audio file.

"Company policy prohibits us from providing copies of audio/video.

However, I can tell you that I anticipate the interview you're talking about will be on the WDEL.com podcast page by the end of the day."

So, the details of who said it and the full context may be available soon.

 

[Rumble]

What was the context of that audio link? Is there an accompanying article that went along with it?

Yes, there was an article, which had to do with arming teachers and specifically the teacher in Oregon who is attempting to get permission to carry her weapon at school. They got a little soundbite from Ms. Grogg, and linked to it.

EDIT: Aha. Here's a link to the article: http://www.wdel.com/story.php?id=358446375506

Del teachers union: "No guns in classroom."

The head of the Delaware State Education Association says her group's stand is clear when it comes to a teacher's request to have a concealed weapon in a classroom.

DSEA President Barbara Grogg tells Delaware's Morning News...(Audio Here)

that her group worked closely last legislative session with House Speaker Terry Spence to promote safety in schools with legislation like the anti bullying act.

In Oregon, a teacher wants to bring a handgun, which she has a permit for, into her classroom because she fears her estranged husband may try to harm her.

The school district is saying no to her request.

 

[v35]

From the AP:

"I think the biggest lesson learned from that whole situation at Virginia Tech is don't wait. Once you have an incident, start notifying the community," said university spokesman Carlos Holmes.

Notify the community of what? The world is a dangerous and unpredictable place?

Clearly they've learned nothing.

Classes were canceled for the day and students were being kept inside. Gates at the university's main entrance kept motorists out.

"We cannot assume that he's not on campus," Holmes said. "As long as he's at large, we cannot assure the security of anyone on campus."

I must have missed where you can assure the security of anyone on campus, Mr. Holmes. Anyone, that is, except a crazed person intent on murdering students disarmed by ill-conceived gun-free zones. Pretty secure for them it seems.

Timmara Gooden, 20, of Philadelphia, said in a phone interview from her dorm room that she and her suite mates were keeping each other calm and making sure that their parents understand that they're OK.

"We've been locked in here since 1 o'clock this morning," she said. "Right now, we're pretty hungry and waiting so we can go to the cafe, or something."

Students weren't even going into their dorm hallways. "We don't want to walk out there, because we don't know what's going on," Gooden said.

*sigh* Campus security: cower in your rooms in fear of a criminal who enjoys certain knowledge his victims are defenseless.

:banghead:

 

[broadsideofabarn]

Just recently out of the college world myself, and glad this isn't another VT.

Gun-free campuses my ass... It's not like the athletic scholarships obey any other rules. But of course their victims are safe in the knowledge that not a single licensed, legal firearm is to be found in the hands of a student or faculty.

The best they offered female students scared to cross the campus after dark were guys in bright yellow shirts no better able to handle themselves in a fight than the women they were protecting. Two victims for the price of one.

*sigh*

 

[middleground]

new type of response since VA Tech incident

I agree with some previous posters that the response to this incident is in line with an event like VA Tech, vs. a normal shooting (if there is such a thing).

I'm a Delaware resident so I've been watching this story, but has anyone heard of the all clear has been sounded?

There must be a lot of nervous parents out there right now.

-Middleground

 

[TexasRifleman]

Well we now learn that one of the "victims" refuses to identify his shooter.

So, that moves this waaaaaay to the other end of the spectrum from the Virginia Tech shooting to something else altogether.

Drug deal gone bad? Gang related? Fight over a girlfriend?

Not that the media will portray it that way, but it seems to be how it's playing out.

A 17-year-old male student was wounded in the ankle and refused to answer questions by police about the shootings, raising the likelihood that he knew his attacker, according to a federal law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20902107/

 

[FourNineFoxtrot]

It's always a tragedy when something like this happens, no matter the scale.

There's one thing I find particularly troubling about the university and police response:

“We directed the students not to leave the dormitory from the outset last night,” he said. “They were very obedient..."

I'm concerned that the response to a shooting, perhaps a massacre-level shooting like VT, would be to herd defenseless students into dorms. The only good things about being locked down in a dorm is that you have a door that you can lock from the inside, and that anybody who decides to massacre people in a dorm can only barge in on a few at a time.

Since you can't have a gun in your campus dorm, and you can't leave, what options are left to the student? Cower on your double-bunk bed and pray that whatever's going on won't involve you?

Oh, it makes sense from the LE perspective, who are treating students here like POWs needing to be controlled instead of citizens.

I can say this: If this had happened at my school when I was still living in a dorm, I sure as hell wouldn't have stayed in my dorm room. I would have gone to my car, even if I had to go out my dorm window to do it, and bugged the hell out of there. Maybe not what everybody would do, but I'm not the kind of person to willingly hide, unarmed, behind a flimsy door and hope nobody comes a-knockin'.

 

[mike101]

Hard to believe

This has been all over the local Philly news tonight. This shooting is the result of a turf-war, between students from Washington DC, and somewhere nearby in Maryland. Who knew gangbangers went to college? The range of this turf-war extends from Washington to New York. Crazy.

 

[Zen21Tao]

The best they offered female students scared to cross the campus after dark were guys in bright yellow shirts no better able to handle themselves in a fight than the women they were protecting. Two victims for the price of one.

 

[broadsideofabarn]

Zen21Tao: Actual photo from the university website.

 

[Regolith]

Our rent-a-cops wear blue shirts and slacks. They're just as ineffective. It does help somewhat that the police department is right next to campus (and its not a big campus), but still....Our campus security officers are glorified janitors.

 

[Andrewsky]

My University security consists of overweight 4th year students with flashlights and ASP batons. The University police carry full-size Glocks. If it were up to me they'd have slung AR-15s, but I'm a right-wing paranoid gun nut.