Shooting at the Tulsa gun show.

[PinnedAndRecessed]

At about 8:30 Saturday morning. They were carrying some guy out on a stretcher when I got there. Report was that a total of three people were shot.

Seems a dealer "dry fired" a 410 shotgun while aiming it at the floor. The pellets bounced up and (according to vendors in the area) hit one guy in the head, one in the arm, and one in the side.

One of the guys hit was elderly and had some heart problems. He was the guy on the stretcher.

Other than that, it was a great show.

The police had the area taped off and nobody could get through. Glass everywhere from shattered display cases. Sad.

 

[Cromlech]

Well, as we all know, a gun is always loaded. At least he had it pointing at the floor, and at least it wasn't a 12Ga.

 

[Dmack_901]

I'm just going to ask, "Who loaded it?"

and leave it at that.

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

I'm just going to ask, "Who loaded it?"

When I was living in California, there were anti gunners reportedly going to gun shows, loading weapons that they could (plastic ties, and all), and walking off.

Sick.

 

[atek3]

When I was living in California, there were anti gunners reportedly going to gun shows, loading weapons that they could (plastic ties, and all), and walking off.

i'm gunna call bs on that unless you can post a link.

atek3

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

No, I don't have a link. That was what was rumored.

 

[SaxonPig]

He said "reportedly" meaning it was a rumor. I have heard that rumor, too. Was at a show many years ago (in CA, no less) when a rifle was fired into the ceiling. Dealer swore the gun was unloaded and that he didn't even have ammo in the correct caliber.

I don't know but I wouldn't put it past some people.

 

[jad0110]

Wouldn't find it to be surprising if it was true. Afterall, you've got diehard tree huggers spiking trees where loggers are working.

 

[P95Carry]

I was at the April show and as folks know who have been - it is BIG!

However - security struck me as very good (considering) and I left my piece in the truck but I would not have expected any problems - but this shows that at very least someone was either not very diligent or - someone had a .410 round and loaded the darned gun.

I cannot see any guy running a table being this lax - so it does leave us wondering?! It could obviously have been many times worse.

 

[George S.]

The local gun show requires all firearms (even CCW weapons) that are on the show grounds to be unloaded and a zip tie or similar device to be installed that keeps the action open. For some semi-auto weapons, the action is closed and the tie prevents the action from being opening.

Guess it's a relatively safe way to keep rounds from finding their way into chambers. I do see some people asking to work the action, but the vendors usually refuse. When the do allow it, a replacement tie goes back on. There are show staff members who walk around to check to make sure that the white zip ties are in place. They sell replacement ties to those who have a firearm on display (whether or not it's for sale) and there is no tie present.

Those people who do not comply are asked to leave.

 

[Marshall]

I live here.

I've been going to this show for years. I can't see any of the vendors having loaded guns. Something happened though. Maybe it was a gun someone brought in for sale and the man didn't check to see if it was loaded first? Maybe it was a setup? I don't know but I imagine we'll hear more.

My first thought on this when hearing it on the local news, other than being glad I wasn't there today, was damn, more food for anti's. It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Wouldn't find it to be surprising if it was true. Afterall, you've got diehard tree huggers spiking trees where loggers are working.

And burning down housing developments, and blowing up SUV dealerships.

 

[SuperiorMarksman_18]

I remember after Columbine there were a few anti gun protesters at a Hampton gun show I went to.

 

[sm]

Keep us informed.

I am having a hard time seeing how this happened at the Tulsa Show.

Chris, Larry, others and myself know - Tulsa takes some of the Best if not the best precautions!

Vendors and Dealers check guns, zip tied and all in getting set up, before the public ever enters. Folks entering have two lines, one with firearms, one without. If with a firearm, it is checked and zip tied.

Upon leaving, again two lines, no guns, or if with a gun, again, it is checked for zip tie and such.

I have never seen anyone, vendor, dealer, or public, every have ammo near or around a firearm. Not even snap caps.

Tulsa impresses me with everyone going above and beyond watching out for each other, in safety and in "other areas". Like "some folks" wandering around perhaps in tripping someone up.

No, My gut suggests a set up from a anti. It really does.

 

[SoCalShooter]

PinnedandRecessed

I have heard the same rumor. I check all weapons at gun shows before I pick them up. And I would not put it past the anti gun people to do this to show that gun shows are "UNSAFE".

It is unfortunate accident and I am sure the police will leave it at just that an accident since there is no way really to prove foul play, but the booth operator who was about to dry fire the weapon "SHOULD" have checked the chamber.


"myself" I have never picked up a weapon that I have not personally checked the chamber I wont even accept a weapon where the chamber has not been checked in front of me and I will not look over or check out a weapon that I dont check the chamber even after it was just done right in front of me. I am extremely anal about it and I get a lot of questions why I do it. "Better to check twice then get shot once."

 

[992]

loaded gun

I was at the Mike Holloway show in Knoxville,Tenn.,five years ago,when a friend had some tables there.I looked at a Sig 229 he had that was nib,checked it out ,checked the mag AND the chamber,just out of habit,to be sure it was empty.This was before you had to use ties on all of your guns.
I came back after walking around maybe 30 minutes later and asked him what the best he could do on the Sig for cash.While we talked, I picked up the pistol,racked the slide back,and a WINCHESTER bLACK tALON FLEW OUT OF THE CHAMBER.He said several people had looked at the pistol after I left,but no one looked suspicious at the time.
That proves that some people don't care who they kill or hurt.It could have be a child,woman,or anybody standing in front of it when somebody had dropped the hammer.
Trust NO ONE ,chech for yourself.

992

 

[mosttoyswins]

I am of the opinion that even though some a**hole anti may have loaded the gun purposely, the shotgun should have been checked and double checked to make sure it was unloaded before dry firing.

Basic gun safety. :banghead:

 

[dogsoldier0513]

Jacksonville Gun Show, ca. 1990, Prime Osbourne Center: A DEALER fired 1 round of 7.62NATO through the roof from an M60 LMG. He was arrested and transported to jail. No injuries. It was right after the show opened. I was a deputy sheriff at the time in an adjacent county and was present. It happens.....

 

[Wesker]

About the only reason you need not to attend dumb hick gunshows.

 

[mosttoyswins]

About the only reason you need not to attend dumb hick gunshows.

Easy there killer, I resemble that remark.

I have got a lot of great deals and met a lot of nice people at "dumb hick gunshows".

 

[brm3601]

Shotgun blast hurts two at gun show
By CLIFTON ADCOCK World Staff Writer
10/22/2006

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Two men were injured Saturday morning at the Wanenmacher's Tulsa Arms Show at Expo Square when a vendor accidentally discharged a shotgun.

The men, whose names were not released Saturday, suffered only minor injuries, officials said. Investigators will forward a complaint against the vendor of misdemeanor reckless handling of a firearm to the Tulsa County District Attorney's Office.

The vendor's name was not released Saturday.

Joe Wanenmacher, the gun show's manager, said the vendor was examining a double-barreled .410-gauge shotgun that he thought was loaded with a snap cap. A snap cap is a nonlive round that allows the handler to dry-fire the weapon without damaging the firing pin or the firing pin holes.

However, when the vendor pulled the trigger, the shotgun fired a blast through his display case, Wanenmacher said. The pellets ricocheted off the floor and struck two men standing nearby, he said.

Cpl. Jerry Holloway of the Tulsa County Sheriff's Department said investigators recovered one spent shell and a live shell in the gun's other barrel.

One of the victims was wounded in the back of the head and the other in the right side of the abdomen, Holloway said. Both were taken to St. John Medical

Center, where they were treated and released, he said.

Wanenmacher said loaded guns are not allowed at the show.

"This would have never happened if the exhibitor had been following the rules," he said. "It was something that could have easily been prevented.

"We will pack him up and move him out, and he will not be welcome back."

When handling a firearm, Wanenmacher said, safety should always be the top concern: "A good rule is when handling a gun, assume it's loaded, even if you know it's unloaded."

In 1994, a similar accident happened at the Tulsa Gun and Knife Show when a vendor accidentally fired a .45-caliber pistol. Investigators said the bullet ricocheted off the floor and struck two men in the feet.

In 2000, a 10 mm pistol discharged as a man was unholstering it at Wanenmacher's Tulsa Arms Show. The bullet struck the person next to him in the leg.

 

[OEF_VET]

About the only reason you need not to attend dumb hick gunshows.

Hey, stud, you might want to reconsider that remark, as I, and certainly others on the board, find it EXTREMELY offensive. Comments like that will ensure that your stay here will be very short-lived.

 

[mons meg]

He obviously didn't look at the cars in the parking lot at the Tulsa Expo center.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I know of a gunstore where a bullet was sent from a distributor with a bullet in the chamber. A guy was looking at it and the owner told hime to "give the trigger a pull." When he "dry fired" the gun it went off and the bullet grazed the guys finger. The next day the gunstore owner shower up at the guys house and took him to the hospital to get checked out and gave him the gun he was looking at.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

When I was living in California, there were anti gunners reportedly going to gun shows, loading weapons that they could (plastic ties, and all), and walking off.

This is a common rumor that crops up frequently after gun show NDs, usually by folks who don't know what went on and simply refuse to believe gun owners could ever screw up, so it must be the anti-gun people doing this. The really poor part of this "rumor" is that it crops up time and time again and never seems to ever be shown to have any validity. Of the events in the Dallas area gun shows of which I am aware (and one for which I was present) all the NDs were clearly performed by dealers or patrons, the NDs being the result of their wrongful actions (such as a dealer discharging a carry gun that he didn't have checked, another working on a gun for a friend while at the show, that was not checked).

Maybe antis go around loading up guns at gun shows? More like maybe gun owners, dealers, and patrons screw up. Why is that so hard to believe? When hunters get shot in treestands, we don't blame antis for shooting them. Usually they manage to negligently shoot themselves or a buddy negligently shoots them. Point? Gun folks can and do make mistakes.