Shooting Back in a Mumbai-type Attack

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You do like we did in the Nam with Charlie --

"Shoot them all. Let God sort them out."

i find that cruel....

i would shoot back at them and be as merciless as can be because honestly i dont think the authorites will be there until its to late. i imagine if i was put in that situation i would be dead somewhere before the problems done anyways. as a freind of many muslims i understand something those terrorists dont.

terrorism is the enemy of islam and they are worse than any heratic

I'm being a Weisenheimer . . .

 

[Hoplophile]

I'm going to scream "AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!" and start blasting the terrorists, LEO retaliation be damned!

 

[gazpacho]

Interestingly enough, about a week ago, my mom told me she was going to Thailand to visit some friends. I told her to stick a plain veil in her purse when she went over there. If the shooting started, she could duck behind something, threw the veil over her head and run away, hoping the veil might camoflage her as a proper muslim lady. She laughed, but I said I wasn't kidding.

After this incident in India and now riots in Thailand, the trip has been canceled.

In a SHTF situation like this, your first responsibility is to get the hell out alive with your family and friends. Drawing your handgun against 3 or 4 rifle equiped terrorists couyld easily make things more difficult. I think a LEO is gonna let normal looking people desparately fleeing the gunfire pass by, directing them to safety. Look terrified, and you should be safe.

 

[CSestp]

Thank god for the country.

 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

If by country you mean being away from the city, I concur!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Well, since the overwhelming majority of islamonazis are NOT white males, I feel pretty confident NOT being mistaken for a terrorist here in the U.S..

Since the overwhelming majority of terroristic attacks in the US are by white males, are you sure? By terrorist incidents, I mean those acts against non-military targets that are done under the guise of trying to cause terror for the purpose of social, political, or religious change. These do not include various serial killers such as BTK, DC Snipers, Son of Sam, school shooters, mall shooters, Ted Bundy, types etc. etc. etc. spree killers, etc. who were psychopaths and/or sociopaths, but not motivated to kill for the purpose of social, political, or religious change (even though most are also white males).

So in the US, most of our terrorist incidents have been KKK-based violence and all sorts of bombings conducted over the past few decades that were mostly carried out by white males.

Say you are at a mall and some gunman opens up and starts killing people. Is it a terrorist attack or just some nutjob on a rampage? Are you really concerned with being confused with being a terrorist or should you be concerned with being confused with being a bad guy (regardless of motivation)?

Perpetrators of terrorism are NOT limited to the people of Islam or non-whites. To suggest or hint otherwise is extremely naive.

 

[Mike J]

One thing about it you'd definitely have a better chance than the folks that tried to fight back by throwing rocks.

 

[V1K1NG0]

I would call 911 and identify myself. Probably wouldnt do much but is something. One of my buddies suggested one of those CCW Badges. Dont know what good that would do.

Honestly, what would America do in a case like this. It is not too far fetched for something like this to happen. Remember 9-11. I would think that the FBI probably already thought of most likely targets for stuff like this and have plans for it all. But the thing that does worry me is all the confusion that occurs when crap like this happens.

So your carrying your favorite pistola to the train station and then boom and then gunfire. Like everyone else the most probable thing to do would be to get out of there. You dont know if this is an isolated incident or an organized attack. Remember when the first plane crashed majority of people thought it was an accident but then the second crashed and it was like HOLD UP.

If one of the terrorists was in the way of a safe exit then for the safety of your party you should engage when the opportunity is right.

Let the 24/7's do their job because it is what they were trained for.

If you are in the Hotel then things change a bit. Do you go out or stay put and defend. You dont have all the info yet but then again if you heard the boom down the hall and people coming what do you do.

I pray nothing like this happens here or anywhere for that matter but it is sad that we HAVE to think about what we would do in a situation like this.

Stay Alert and Ready. Be prepared.

 

[statelineblues]

I had heard/read that the terrorists had hijacked a LEO vehicle

IIRC, this is the way many home invasions/piracy attacks/terrorist attacks have started out - the BG claim to be LEO, gov't officials, etc., to gain access to wherever they are trying to get in to...

I would call 911 and identify myself.

The emergency phone lines would probably be overloaded in moments, and the person at the other end (if you did get thru) would have no way of knowing if you were telling the truth, and maybe has no way of contacting the forces at the scene, but heck, it's worth a try.

 

[doubleplay]

Well, since the overwhelming majority of islamonazis are NOT white males, I feel pretty confident NOT being mistaken for a terrorist here in the U.S..

Common sense dictates in situations like these. Murdering islamonazis are NOT the only ones that can suddenly appear with firearms, and unlike murdering islamonazis, some of us are accurate with our firearms.
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WOW!!!!!! This kind of statement is really naive and shows a great deal of misinformed opinion. There are ton of muslims in this world who looks like just you(I am considering you are a white person) and me.
As for all the others who thinks this kind of attack can be stopped by a couple of CWP holders: You must be joking or watched one too many "Die Hard" movies.

 

[yokel]

I just adore these online counter-terrorism ops at the tactical level threads.

Methinks that my best bet is to maximize standoff distance and engage with my K98k with a scout scope and Yugoslavian 8mm (7.92x57) ammo, the M75S sniper grade designation, with the FMJ 198 grain bullet.

Indeed, some jihadists need powerful input to get their attention.

 

[GEM]

If you decide to enter the fight with people who are dressed in civilian clothes and you are too, then you just might get shot by them or the law.

BTW, if I were a terrorist reading THR, I would say - what a good idea. I'll call 911 and give them my description as a good guy too! No one ever thought of that? Maybe that's why the law looks at everybody in a shooting rampage? Besides there are only 10,000 phone calls and I'm sure dispatch is going to spend time describing you in the middle of it all.

In a FOF, simulated courtroom rampage, when the law arrived, I threw my hands straight up and yelled good guy repeatedly and followed orders.

I've also been 'shot' by the law for just wandering innocent around in such - because I was moving. Oh, well.

Fog of war, no plan survives contact with the enemy? Saved the CCW badge?

It's a battle, you take your chances. Or flee if you can.

 

[SoCalShooter]

Thats a tough one, if your there with your family I would say shoot your way out an flee or just flee, my primary responsibility in that type of situation is my families safety and my safety and if you gotta kill a couple of terrorists to get out then so be it.

 

[jakemccoy]

I just adore these online counter-terrorism ops at the tactical level threads.

Methinks that my best bet is to maximize standoff distance and engage with my K98k with a scout scope and Yugoslavian 8mm (7.92x57) ammo, the M75S niper grade designation, with the FMJ 198 grain bullet.

Indeed, some jihadists need powerful input to get their attention.

So, is your plan to give up and make jokes about others?

 

[michiganfan]

I once read a quote from some famous gunnie to the effect "You might find me dead in a ditch but I'll be lying in a pile of brass." I think that sums it up, I am not looking for trouble but if there is no way out I am going to do my best to make somebody pay the price.

 

[LightningJoe]

That's why you rip off your shirt, exposing your manly chest hair and bulging muscles, then begin to punch terrorists in the face with your anvil like fists.

Hey. That's my plan. Get your own.


Anyway, if the terrorists are walking the corridors shooting Americans, what the cops do when they finally storm the place is the least of your worries. If you choose to fight the terrorists, either you or they will be dead by then.


If, on the other hand, you somehow shoot your way out, make sure you don't have a gun in your hand as you run toward the police cordon. Run with your empty hands over your head and a giant, friendly smile on your face as you shout "God bless America!"

 

[Thin Black Line]

I THINK I read it on google news. (just checked, and can't find it there)
It was a report from a department inside the D.O.D. that issues such periodic reports about projections of the world's situation 5/10/15/20/25 years down the road.
The report I'm citing was the 2008-2025 report.

I read the actual report (yes, I go beyond links cited by reporters). It was
a real yawner. Nothing new.

BTW, is shooting allowed if you're being trampled to death by shoppers on
their way into big-box-mart?

 

[yokel]

So, is your plan to give up and make jokes about others?

Let's keep things in perspective, shall we?

Not a very serious post, to be sure, but what's wrong with a little levity?

THR isn't life or death.

 

[mljdeckard]

I'm with Treo. No heroics here. Head down, mouth shut, rifle loaded.

 

[Just Jim]

I'm with Treo. No heroics here. Head down, mouth shut, rifle loaded.

Funny how people think different. You and your family are in a place attacked by terrorist and you wish someone would help yet in India even the police kept their heads down.

Yet some of the civilians took on the killers armed only with rocks. I guess they didn't need a gun to have the courage to save others. Even when some of those with guns stood by while women and childeren were slaughtered.

I hope Americans never have to look eachother in the eye should the killers do their work here and we all stand by and watch.

jj

 

[Owen]

If I'm somewhere and this sort ot thing happens, I'll engage the people I can see.

If I'm still alive, I'll re-conceal, and do my bet to leave. I won't go hunting.

 

[CannonFodder]

I'd get my head down, find the nearest escape route, and let the authorities handle it - that's what they're there for.

First rule of a gun fight: Don't get into a gun fight.
Second Rule of a Gun Fight: Get out of one as soon as possible.
Third rule of a gun fight: Don't lose.

 

[skeet king]

Wouldn't the armed civilians be traveling with family, and be in large groups with many different types of weapons. The terrorists will probably all be using standard AK's and anything else of russian origin, and they will probably be alone, with no women or children.

 

[skeet king]

you guys should definiatly check out the link on the bottom of my post. it really makes you think.

 

[James T Thomas]

as it has been, so shall it be

The police, with the exception of off duty officers in the midst of the occurence, and perhaps a few responders with great courage and integrity, will:

Obey the Chief's orders and wait until a large group of reinforcements gather, or, block off all in going and out going roadways and wait for the SWAT teams to arrive, or take up life precious time gathering situational information while commanders make a decision that will not possibly involve the department and their career in any lawsuits or embarrasment.

Does this sound cynical, or is my asessment the truth?

For those who will have a handgun and attempt to withdraw to safety, the reality is that so will all others around you be doing the same whether they are armed or not. And those terrorists will most likely be herding the sheep and as done in Bombay, firing on whom ever is moving. Now what?
You cannot base your defense on the certainty of being away from the fields of fire far enough, or out of sight of the murderers to make an unopposed escape.