Shooting your Handgun in the Garage

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Dave R

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Yes, you can shoot your handgun in your garage, if you use Speer's Plastic Training Bullets. Powered by primer only, not powder. They make 'em in .38 (can be used for 9mm and .380acp), .44 and .45 (can be used in LC and .45acp). In revolvers, they use a plastic case. In autochuckers, you can use brass cases (see below for details).

You do not HAVE to have reloading equipment to use them, particularly for revolvers. But it helps. And you can get a cheapo Lee Anniversary reloading kit for $70, with everything you need to reload REAL ammo (except dies). If you have no reloading equipment, you can pop out the used primer with a nail sticking out of a board. And you can just press the primers in by standing them on a table and pressing the case over the primer. Ugly, but it works. A reloading press and a priming tool are much faster.

The bullets run $7/50 and can be reused many times. You'll lose 'em first. The plastic cases are maybe $12/50? Once you acquire them, the incremental cost for shooting in your garage is $1.70 per 100, for primers. How can you beat those economics?

Here's my review, posted originally in the Reloading forum. Thought maybe you non reloaders (or "not yet reloaders") would want to know how fun and cheap it is to shoot your handguns in your garage.

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I discovered Speer's plastic training bullets. Got some and tried them out.

They are essentially plastic cylinders sized to just ride on rifling, rather than be fully engaged in the rifling. You power them with primer only, no powder. Reloading gear is not really required, other than to de-prime cases.

Speer sells the bullets separate from the plastic cases you run them in. The cases are intended for revolvers. Their #13 reloading manual says you can use the .38 bullets in regular brass cases for .380acp and 9mm. That's what I tried. I don't have a .38 revolver, so did not try Speer's plastic cases. Just the plastic bullets in brass cases.

The bullets were sized small. They would slide out the barrel of my .380, and would do the same from my FEG Hi-Power. In my P-11, they seemed to fit as intended. Woud not quite roll out the barrel.

I had to put a touch of taper crimp on my 9mm cases to get them to hold the plastic bullets properly. I couldn't do that for .380--no dies yet. So the friction fit in .380 was a little loose. But I had to try anyway...

I set up an old blanket in the garage to catch the bullets. Then blasted away. Of course, they won't cycle the action of the semi-auto's, so I fed them single from the magazine.

Report was quiet. Cap-gun level. In fast, they sounded a lot like a cap gun. Smelled that way, too... But in my concrete garage I used hearing protection anyway, after the first few.

Speer says velocity should be up to 400fps. No chrono, but they were going fast enough to rip the blanket a little bit. Good thing it was an old picnic blanket.

Accuracy was "sorta acceptable" in the .380. To be expected since the bullets were not engaging rifling. Mostly keyholes. Even with that, I was about 6" at 20 ft. Usable for "draw, align, shoot" drills. Everything on paper.

In the Hi-Power, accuracy was a little better. Still some keyholing. Groups shrank to about 4"at 20 ft. Again, usable for drills.

In the P-11, the bullets apparently worked as intended. No keyholing, and groups 1-2". Also, in the P-11 I could feed a full 10 of them from the magazine. Fire, rack slide, fire, etc.

In the .380 and the Hi-Power, I could only feed the first round from the mag. So I had to single load the mag, then rack, then fire. Slow.

So I had a lot of fun with the P-11. The other two pistols were less fun, but usable. Fun level was high enough that I reloaded the same cases twice more last night, and did more drills than I have in several months. Gott be some payoff there...And I let my 12 yr old. do some shooting, too. His reaction: "sweet."

So I give them a "thumbs up". Results in a .38 or .357 revolver may be better than these semi-autos. But even with the hassles, I did some good drills.
 
Wow, great post.

Some safety concerns, but I also set up an indoor pellet range in my basement for my .22 Benjamin. Had a good 10m setup to practice iron sights with.

I'm real, real tempted to try out what you've suggested. (When the wife & family are out, of course.)

Any legal issues where you are with doing what you described.
 
I have been shooting those for years. I currently have them in .38 and .44.
 
You've got the little wheel in my head a spinnin' :D Sounds like I might have a new project for some backyard fun :D :D
Has anyone in CA tried this? This can't be even remotely illegal...can it?
 
Well, I dunno if it's illegal now, but 25 years ago or so, I used to do this to practice the first shot out of the holster, with exackly the same plastic bullets. It's pretty quiet actually, and you should be able to do it outdoors if you're not living on top of each other like the homes in San Francisco.
 
I would keep the garage door closed. Years ago, my dad, brother and I were shooting a CO2 pistol in the garage. We stuck a target on a large cardboard box and filled the box with newspaper and such so the pellets would not hit the garage wall. So here we are, popping merrily away, when I see a cop drive up. (Ixnay, it's the opcay!) Yes, he was called because someone saw us shooting the pistol. Now, my parents' garage was fairly far back from the street and at a right angle to it with hedges on either side. Somebody had to look pret-ty far up there to see us. We never found out who it was. Anybody care to guess what state this was? ;)
 
Lessee...legal issues....

I don't have a clue. But if you keep the garage door closed, no one is going to see or hear you. I shoot in the garage with my wife in the closest attached room. She can 'barely' hear me.

My hunch is, in most localities there is NOT an ordinance against shooting "non-ammo". So with a good attorney, you could get off. The stuff is probably safer than an airgun, and may fall under the same ordinances? Who knows.

But my hunch is also that, if a neighbor called the cops, and they see you with a real weapon, they will find something to hassle you about, whether its a noise ordinance or something more serious. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on the Internet.

Anyone else have a more informed opinion?

Safety issues, I know a little more about.

Speer recommends NOT shooting in a carpeted area. And they recommend shooting with good ventilation. Primers put out toxic stuff, apparently. They don't want the stuff collecting in carpets. They recommend sweeping your shooting area periodically.

So I leave a window open, and a door to my back yard open. Plenty of crossflow. And I sweep my garage once in a while. Any lingering worries about noise? Maybe I'll start the mower or the stereo...

And I can shoot every doggone night for a couple cents a round.
 
I was doing this about 20 years ago in a basement with a T/C Contender 10" .44 Mag. Don't know if the ammo was Speer, but the "bullets" were black and the cases were red. Lots of fun. We loaded up a cardboard box with carpet and put a target on it. Fairly accurate, and did a number on the box, so I wouldn't want to be hit by one of these.
 
I think what is being proposed is illegal in most places. The ammo shot is still the ammo of a 'firearm.' It is not compressed gas such as C02 or as shot from a paintball gun, but expanding gas produced as a result of burning - firearm. It is low power and fires a projectile. Plastic or not, the projectile counts.
 
I have some of these from a friend.....I take the bullet out and just use the primer as a blank sometimes...still kinda loud tho....use ear protection if in doors.........
As a kid I shot one of these puppies in the basement...went thru a chair and bounced of 2 walls and hit my buddy in the leg....needless to say Dad never found out(till last year and I'm 35).......be carefull they still hurt.......:cool:
 
You can also do this with primed cases and a cookie sheet of wax BTW. Although it works best in revolvers since the wax needs to sit like a fully seated wadcutter. Feeding from a magazine would be prety unreliable.
 
I plan on getting some X-ring rubber practice bullets once I get a revolver so I can practice. I've also shot a fair number of Colibris indoors. The other night I got bored and shot a few poor man's sims; a foamie earplug stuffed in a primed case. Great for practicing draws or just shooting at and giving the cat something to chase.
 
Primers contain lead compounds. It is now thought that most of the lead exposure from an indoor range is from breathing smoke containing particles from the primers.

If you're doing this indoors, you should be aware that you are introducing lead into your house or garage. Unfortunately it's very difficult to control where the lead will end up since lead will be deposited on anything the smoke touches. Especially if you have small children, this is probably not good at all.

Given that the recoil is nothing like a full round anyway, it might be just as effective and less hazardous to practice with an airgun. The pellets are lead, but there's virtually no lead blown into the air during airgun use and if you have a proper trap, there is no lead contamination from it either. That means when you're done shooting, wash your hands (where you've been handling pellets) and you've eliminated all of the lead contamination resulting from that shooting session.

Most regulations about discharging firearms have provisions for indoor ranges. Most often these are written so as to allow indoor firearm practice as long as one takes the necessary precautions to insure no projectiles escape the premises.
 
Unfortunately, few folks have any clear idea at what point a garage is a garage and when a garage is an "indoor range" falling under the guise of such laws. The laws are often vague, if they exist. Where I am, specifically there are no gun ranges of any kind allowed in our residential area here inside the city. Similarly, it is illegal to test fire a firearm into a snail or other type of receptical, even though it is very safe, it isn't legal...in our residential area here in north Texas.
 
D.N. Spy,

Would you mind posting the name of your city? I live in the N. Texas area too and am curious to know...

I can't imagine a city being that restrictive, but I've seen more stupid things. :rolleyes:
 
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