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  1. Martin248

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    I had been working on trying to get down to just a few guns, but now, time to go shopping! I recently learned that WA state is planning a ban and that people who buy before it hits will be grandfathered.

    First move, I ordered a couple more AR lower receivers. Not sure what I will do with them, sock drawer until I have a use. Next I'll order an AR10 lower and sock drawer that as well, in case one day I want to build one.

    After that it gets less clear. High capacity mags and "assault rifles" (defined with language similar to the Federal ban) will be banned if the legislation passes.

    So help me put together my shopping list. I need to prioritize what I can afford within likely the next year, and then I'm probably out of luck.

    Let's start with mags. I don't own a Glock (I own a SIG P320) but I'm going to buy Glock magazines just in case. Any other mags I should pick up? Presumably I can still pick up the pistols post ban.

    And then we come to semi autos. If it's based on an AR, has a pistol grip, etc, it's gonna get banned. Even m1a is gonna get banned.

    I think my list starts with a few AR lowers (done) followed by an AR10 and then? M1A? What should I buy?

    I would like to pick up one or two modern semis, maybe a piston driven AR, a SCAR, or something, but I need to be picky.

    Here's what's getting banned:

    (30) "Assault weapon" means:
    (a) Any of the following specific firearms or a copycat weapon, regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
    (i) AK-47 in all forms;
    (ii) AK-74 in all forms;
    (iii) Algimec AGM-1 type semi-auto;
    (iv) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
    (v) AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms;
    (vi) AR 180 type semi-auto;
    (vii) Argentine L.S.R. semi-auto;
    (viii) Australian Automatic;
    (ix) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 Semi-Automatics;
    (x) Barrett .50 cal light semi-auto;
    (xi) Barrett .50 cal M87;
    (xii) Barrett .50 cal M107A1;
    (xiii) Barrett REC7;
    (xiv) Beretta AR70/S70 type semi-auto;
    (xv) Bushmaster Carbon 15;
    (xvi) Bushmaster ACR;
    (xvii) Bushmaster XM-15;
    (xviii) Bushmaster MOE;
    (xix) Calico models M100 and M900;
    (xx) CETME Sporter;
    (xxi) CIS SR 88 type semi-auto;
    (xxii) Colt CAR 15;
    (xxiii) Daewoo K-1;
    (xxiv) Daewoo K-2;
    (xxv) Dragunov Semi-Auto;
    (xxvi) Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms;
    (xxvii) Fabrique Nationale F2000;
    (xxviii) Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter;
    (xxix) Fabrique Nationale M249S;
    (xxx) Fabrique Nationale PS90;
    (xxxi) Fabrique Nationale SCAR;
    (xxxii) FAMAS .223 Semi-Auto;
    (xxxiii) Galil;
    (xxxiv) Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms;
    (xxxv) Heckler & Koch HK-41/91;
    (xxxvi) Heckler & Koch HK-43/93;
    (xxxvii) Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3;
    (xxxviii) Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms;
    (xxxix) Heckler & Koch PSG-1;
    (xl) Heckler & Koch SL8;
    (xli) Heckler & Koch UMP;
    (xlii) Manchester Arms Commando MK-45;
    (xliii) Manchester Arms MK-9;
    (xliv) SAR-4800;
    (xlv) SIG AMT SG510 in all forms;
    (xlvi) SIG SG550 in all forms;
    (xlvii) SKS;
    (xlviii) Spectre M4;
    (xlix) Springfield Armory BM-59;
    (l) Springfield Armory G3;
    (li) Springfield Armory SAR-8;
    (lii) Springfield Armory SAR-48;
    (liii) Springfield Armory SAR-3;
    (liv) Springfield Armory M-21 Sniper;
    (lv) Springfield Armory M1A;
    (lvi) Smith & Wesson M&P 15;
    (lvii) Sterling Mk 1;
    (lviii) Sterling Mk 6/7;
    (lix) Steyr AUG;
    (lx) TNW M230;
    (lxi) FAMAS F11; or
    (lxii) Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle;
    (b) A semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than thirty inches; or
    c) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
    "Assault weapon" does not include antique firearms, any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action, or a pistol that is not identified in (a) of this subsection and does not meet the description in subsection (31) of this section.
    (31) "Copycat weapon" means a semiautomatic, centerfire firearm that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
    (a) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, unless the firearm is a pistol as defined in this section;
    (b) Thumbhole stock;
    (c) Folding or telescoping stock;
    (d) Forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control during a high rate of fire;
    (e) Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm;
    (f) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
    (g) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item; or
    (h) Grenade launcher or flare launcher.
    (32) "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be loaded or unloaded while detached from a firearm and readily inserted into a firearm.
    (33) "Large capacity magazine" means an ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition, or any conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which such a device can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
    (a) An ammunition feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than ten rounds of ammunition;
    (b) A twenty-two caliber tube ammunition feeding device; or
    (c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
    (34) "Semiautomatic" means any firearm that uses a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and that requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
     
  2. 2bfree

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    Some of the same stuff our AG introduced last session and did not pass. Not saying it won't pass this time but the sky is not falling yet.
     
  3. Armored farmer

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    Personally, I would buy 80% lowers and a dozen 30rd and a half dozen 20rd mags.
     
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    Looks like you found a reference to official wording of the proposed legislation. I haven't seen it yet.

    I bought what I wanted before I-1639 went into effect so I could avoid the mandatory safety course, waiting period, extra fee, and HIPAA waiver.

    I bought a couple of PSA AR15 lowers, a complete Ruger AR, and a PSA AR10 lower, along with a few Glock 33-round mags. I also bought a G19 Gen 5 MOS and an Extar EP9.

    Now it looks like the Hellcat will be illegal under the new law due to it's 11-round capacity. I live right on the border of Idaho and have some equity in my Washington home, so I may just thumb my nose at Seattle and move a few miles and taste freedom again.

    All these liberals are doing is deliberately making criminals out of gun owners. It's not about saving lives or preventing tragedy. It is about power and control and is just a display of how much they hate liberty, freedom, and conservatives.

    It won't stop at this, it will just continue until they ban everything and confiscate it all. They crave power and are full of hate.
     
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    (c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

    Does this mean that they think the Henry lever action rifles are scary mass murder assault weapons?
     
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  6. John Joseph

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    What is it exactly that you want to accomplish? Apply your resources to that end, unless you're intent on hoarding for later resale at a profit.
     
  7. D.B. Cooper

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    I didn't even know you could buy a FAMAS rifle in the United States.
     
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    (d) Forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control during a high rate of fire;

    Wouldn't that ban basically EVERY semi-auto with a detachable magazine? All semi-autos (and all other long guns) that I have ever seen have what could easily be considered "or other" grip designed for use by the non-firing hand to improve control during a high rate of fire...
     
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  9. Demi-human

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    You mean “Normal Rate of Fire”.:)
     
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    Only if you paint them black.
     
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    That just means they are listening to people babbling about lever action being the first assault rifle.

    OP
    I can see buying an ar10 lower and a couple AR15 ones. I would definitely get a lever gun in a pistol caliber. Also something like the Ruger PCC.
    Having grown up during the AWB, I'm not too concerned about 20 and 30 round mags.
     
  13. Good Ol' Boy

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    You could always do what folks in VA are doing with imposing bans coming, buy up everything they're trying to make illegal. ;)

    Seriously though I'm focusing on mags and ammo. I may try and add another AR before the date. Think practical but dont overthink it.
     
  14. TJ AK-74

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    That section c is a list of exceptions. They are currently making a lever action to be NOT an assault weapon, until later, when this ban doesn't stop all gun crimes...
     
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    You can't--this is a "xerox" of NanNan's original list compiled by giving a staffer a copy of Guns Digest, a Magic Marker, and instructions to "Circle everything that looks like a machine gun."

    (Hmm, there are perhaps a dozen FAMAS semis about, and a similar number of Registered ones; the F11s never left France.)
     
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    It looks like that list is a copy of the California list. Leftists really are “special”. :barf:

    OP, I would take John Joseph’s advice. That is pretty much what I would do. Focus on what you think you want within the means you have.
     
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    Our AG and governor are a couple of morons.
     
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    Housing in another state....? That'd be on my list.

    Nor that anyone would want to.
     
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    Washington state currently considers all semi automatic rifles & pistols as assault weapons under I1639. Even 22 rimfires fall into this category. I doubt they'll change the definition for the new more restrictive laws they want to pass.
     
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    Sigh. The same insightful advice board members have been giving to those who live in California, Illinois and New York City lo these past many years. Akin to the "move to a better neighborhood" advice.

    When I moved up here in 1994, Washington had some of the best gun laws (and lack of gun laws) of any state in the country. This state, the original "shall issue" state, permitted everything except full-auto; licenses were (still are) cheap, with no training requirement, and the best part was the state preemption.

    Yet, the blue wave -- coming soon to your state, wherever you're at (you feel me, Virginians?), is gonna hurt Florida, Oregon, Texas, Idaho … Good luck. Don't tell me to move, bro. I know what's going on. Most of us simply aren't in the position of being able to pack right up and leave. But the sad fact is, what's happening here can happen in a lot of other states as well.

    Can't figure out why gun-owners can spend so much time on the internet, but can't spend a few minutes filling out their mail-in ballots and dropping them off in a mail box.
     
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    In the same manner as you find the advice of "move to another state" is getting old, I find the notion that more gun owners need to vote more often is getting old.

    Do you, or anyone here for that matter, truly believe that gun owners are in the majority in America?

    We're not.

    As young people start to take an active political role (i.e. voting) in this nation, it will get worse, and our voting power will be further eclipsed.

    We better start finding a way to win in the courtroom, because our days of winning elections are coming to an end.
     
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    ooooooh, that's what I call "le burn"

    The FAMAS is on its way out in France as well. When I was in Paris this past summer, I saw many French military police carrying them, but I also saw a handful of M16s (made by HK), which is the latest and greatest for the French military.
     
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  23. Plan2Live

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    Rather than shopping for firearms I'd be shopping for two Realtors, one in Washington state and the other one in a free state like South Carolina.
     
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    That pretty much sums it up. I've been saying for a while now that we've already lost the war. Yes we are still fighting a few battles here and there but "we" are rapidly becoming the minority and we will eventually be out-voted.

    Moving to a more gun friendly state is a temporary solution. Thankfully I'm already in a gun friendly state but I realize that even this bastion of freedom will eventually fall.
     
  25. Speedo66

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    The SKS is on the list, seems like it doesn't check any of their boxes for evil attributes, so why, just because they can?

    Likewise, the M-1 Carbine is not on their list. Guess aside from the magazine, not enough evil features.

    Next list will be shorter. "The following are banned: Gun."
     
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