Short Trigger for Sig?

[Xigris]

Has anybody out there ever sent a Sig pistol back to the factory to have a Sig "short trigger" installed? I'm thinking about one for my 229 SAS. I see on the Sig website that the charge is $75 plus $25 shipping & handling. If any of you have done this, were you happy with the short trigger? Did it make enough difference to justify the cost? And, about how long did it take to get your pistol back? (Any advice would be appreciated.)

Thanks,

 

[1911user]

I have not used the short trigger, but it isn't that hard to replace the trigger. I certainly wouldn't pay $100 for someone else to do it. Do a web search, there are tutorials on changing it.

 

[Spartacus451]

Replacing the trigger is easy and requires a screw driver to remove the right grip panel and nothing else. I highly recommend that you not get the short trigger. If you can get the tip of your finger on the trigger in the DA position then the trigger is perfectly positioned. If you switch to a short trigger it will make it harder to not milk the trigger in SA.

Don't send your gun to Sig. Get Chris Orndorffs armorers DVD and learn to detail strip the pistol (also has a section on just the short trigger install) and the short trigger and do it yourself.

 

[Harold Mayo]

What is "milking the trigger" and why is it bad?

 

[Spartacus451]

Ideally the force you put on the trigger should be oriented directly back into the frame and should not push to the side (left or right). When you milk the trigger you are disturbing sight alignment when you actuate the trigger. If you are pushing on the trigger to the left or the right the gun may shift in your grip slightly and it will effect accuracy and point of impact.

With a short trigger you will have difficulty not milking the trigger in SA mode because you will have to curve your finger at a sharp angle to reach the trigger with the pad of your finger and pull straight back. If you use the crook or joint of your finger you will have difficult putting force on the trigger without also pushing it left or right.

See the posts by GrayGuns here:
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/731105455/r/854106365#854106365

This is my opinion and his. I am nobody, I have installed the trigger, found this to be the case and removed it. GrayGuns was a high level IPSC shooter (real name Bruce Gray) and is pretty well respected. Neither he (I think) nor I would say that you can't put on an short trigger and do well, but I think it would impede accuracy.

 

[Harold Mayo]

But what if you have to reach out a lot to use the pad of your forefinger with the stock trigger? Would the short trigger not then be a better option? Isn't that what it was made for?

 

[Edmond]

I think it really depends on the size of your hand. Are you having trouble reaching the trigger right now to the point where you have an "H" grip? Keep in mind that the short trigger does not lessen the #'s of trigger pull in any way.

 

[Harold Mayo]

I don't know exactly what the effects are since I've never used the short trigger on a Sig before but I've certainly considered it.

Does the short trigger do anything OTHER than give a shorter initial DA pull? Does it shorter the SA distance or is it's purpose pretty much only in play during a DA (or, I suppose, DAO?) trigger pull?

 

[Harold Mayo]

I'd love to see even a picture of the difference.

I don't own any Sigs right now but have owned several in the past and, in SA, the trigger was fine for me. I just don't like the long DA trigger pull. I pretty much shoot 1911's and hi-powers so I'm used to SA all the way. I DO notice, however, that my finger is at a pretty sharp angle (90 degrees) on a 1911 and it certainly doesn't impede by control of the trigger. As a matter of fact, I think it's better that way.

Still yet, I always thought that, if I went back and owned any Sigs again, that the ones I owned would get short triggers. Just interested in the pros and cons.

 

[Xigris]

To clairfy ...

The reason I was looking at the short trigger is because the pistol in question is a Sig P229 SAS with the DAK ("Double Action Kellerman") system, and also this pistol has very nice wooden grips which are (unfortunately) a little thicker than the standard Sig black plastic grips. These grips make the trigger reach a little longer than I would like. I thought rather than loose the nice wooden grips, I might just go for the short trigger.

 

[copaup]

It doesn't change length or weight of pull in any way. The trigger itself is slightly ( a matter of millimeters) thinner than the stock trigger. When we transitioned to the 229 they gave us the option of Hogue or standard grips and the standard or short trigger. I have fairly small hands and liked the standard grips better. The trigger made little if any difference between the two guns I shot so I opted to keep the standard trigger. I had a trainee with really small hands and she liked the short trigger.

 

[DunedinDragon]

I have two Sigs, a P229 in .40, and a P220 in .45. I have relatively short fingers so I was uncomfortable with the reach on the P220 and replaced that trigger with the short trigger. Generally I was only getting the very tip of my finger onto the trigger on my P220 when the pistol was aligned appropriately with my forearm bone in a typical firing stance. I was fine on the P229 and have kept the original stock trigger.

The best I can tell, the short trigger is not only thinner, I believe it also has a deeper curve to it than a stock trigger. I will also say it takes some getting used to because it feels VERY different than a stock trigger...particularly in SA. When I transition at the range from shooting my P229 to my P220 it always takes me a few rounds to adjust to the difference.

The lesson there is, don't replace it unless you're really having problems with the reach on your gun. And if you do replace it, practice considerably with it...particularly if it's on a gun you'll use for SD. You don't want to be taking a few practice shots to get used to the trigger when things go bad.

 

[Spartacus451]

Xigris,
Given the fact that your using a DAK I might think differently about the short trigger. It's a whole different ball game when the you have to make that long trigger pull on every single shot, and I don't have any experience with DAK guns, or short triggered DAKs so I can't give you much advice. Also note that the armorers DVD I recommended does not contain information on DAK pistols so you may want to send it to Sig.

I recommend that you register and post on Sig forum and ask there. (sigforum.com). The pistols section would be a good place to post about using a short trigger on the DAK. I don't think short triggers on a DAK pistol have been discussed extensively yet, but short triggers on regular Sigs have been beaten to death, so when you post make sure to stress in the subject that you are asking about a DAK pistol or people might ignore your thread. You can also post for installation instructions for a DAK pistol in the armourers section.

The short trigger does not reduce the amount of travel the trigger must go through in DA or SA. It only shortens the distance your finger must go to reach the trigger initially. The short trigger is identical to a regular trigger except that the face of the trigger is much thinner and flatter, there are comparison photos posted on sigforum. Checkout http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/948104435/p/1
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/948104435/r/578104435#578104435

Good luck