Shotgun vs. Carbine for home defense - I get it now!

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Don't count on racking a shotgun...

It's not only that maybe it wouldn't work as a deterrent, or maybe the "drunk neighbor's daughter" :rolleyes: maybe won't hear it, in the couple of HD situations I've found myself in, the last thing I wanted to do was make any sound at all.

Regarding the sling: when your heart is already making more noise than you'd like, a sling will sound to you like a log chain dragging through a pile of empty beer cans. Bad idea for discreet indoor needs.

Les
 
Pistol vs Carbine vs Shotgun?


Yet another discussion of hardware when home defense is primarily a software issue ... for most of us, ifn you get your head right and plan ahead and you'll do fine with whatever gun you happen to have.

Just make sure someone can't get into your house easily or quietly and make sure you are capable of dropping the hammer on another person.

If you live someplace where you actually have a real and serious concern about home invasion by multiple heavily armed men EFFING MOVE (and get out of the recreational pharmaceuticals business).
 
and get out of the recreational pharmaceuticals business...

Amateur Pharmacology. The common denominator more often than I suspect many choose to admit.

Les
 
Castle doctrine laws say that if he's in your house and you don't want him there, lethal force is justified. Too, it eliminates any sort of civil liability to the home owner/shooter. It does not require a threat for use of lethal force other than the trespass of an individual into your home.

Going a little farther off topic, but those Vermont laws are a little strange, spelling out who you are allowed to protect. Texas law just states one's self or a "third person", meaning if you're walking down the street and see a man about to stab someone to death, you can shoot the guy legally. Doesn't have to be your maid or whatever. I would think twice about doing that, but that's how the law reads. I mean, I'm not really interested in saving some ho from her pimp if I'm going to be out legal fees and have to go through a grand jury. I'm not a philanthropist or a cop. I carry a gun to save myself or mine. I'm just sayin', that's the law in Texas.
 
This has been a useful discussion. However, there have been a couple fallacies in my opinion:

Hardware matters. If it didn't, we would all use .22 rimfires.

You can't know your exact home defense needs ahead of time. The exact nature of the threat is determined by the bad guy. Bad guys don't phone ahead with their plans.

A home invasion is very rare. But, it can happen anywhere. Moving will not help.
 
Hardware matters. If it didn't, we would all use .22 rimfires.

Actually, I've killed a lot of game with a .22 and would feel rather confident in my 10/22 in the home defense roll. A .22 rifle is far more lethal than some internet commandos seem to think. It's not yo mama's BB gun. I have kept a .22 autoloader handy in earlier years of my life because it's what I had and I was intimately familiar with it. It was more compact than my 20 gauge 870 at the time. I started relying on my 12 gauge SxS when I got that. 28" barrels, mod/full choke, but hey, it was pretty short and those barrels from the muzzle end are impressive. :D I got more heavily into handguns after college. I grew up hunting and bought long guns for hunting, self defense being a side use for a gun at the time, one I didn't worry over all that much.
 
Actually, I've killed a lot of game with a .22 and would feel rather confident in my 10/22 in the home defense roll. A .22 rifle is far more lethal than some internet commandos seem to think. It's not yo mama's BB gun. I have kept a .22 autoloader handy in earlier years of my life because it's what I had and I was intimately familiar with it.

I just read an article on the .22 for self defense in some gun rag. One of the points they brought up is how fast a person can put multiple rounds into a BG with a good .22 semi-auto.
 
A .22 rifle is far more lethal than some internet commandos seem to think.
Absolutely. The best .22LR (Aguila SuperMaximum IIRC) has energy on par with a the average .380ACP from a pistol...and penetration that is far superior.

:)
 
refer RShooter's post #74 that's a good deterent right there. dogs and big dogs are good. I had a 93 lb Black lab that would litterally fight a chainsaw and wag his tail while doing so. like to have killed me to have to put him down and now I've got a small Fiest, but keen ears. hopefully keen enough to detect someone breaking in, give me an edge to slip my Mak into my pajama pocket and grab my SXS or Camp .45acp.
 
This thread is done. We are talking about using .22s as self defense tools. Might as well go with slingshots and throwing knives...
 
We are talking about using .22s as self defense tools. Might as well go with slingshots and throwing knives...
Right...no way that the lowly .22LR could be lethal? It would be a disservice to shoot someone with anything less than a .416Rigby. :rolleyes:
 
Lethality is not the issue. A bacterial infection can be lethal. Cancer is lethal. It doesn't matter if the bad guy dies. The important thing is that he stops doing bad things RIGHT NOW. A guy shot with a .22 rimfire will live long enough to kill you back.

Duh.
 
A guy shot with a .22 rimfire will live long enough to kill you back. [...]Duh.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. The .22LR is pretty much universally accepted as more powerful than the .25ACP...I know of no less than two people that were shot in the head with the .25 and survived with minor injuries...I know of one more that was shot in the arm, hit the humerus, exited the other side to enter the chest cavity, drilled the aorta and died on the spot. ANY standard rimfire or centerfire cartridge has immediate lethal capacity. Keep drinking your kool-aid. :rolleyes:
 
What are you fellas thoughts re: a 9mm 7.5 inch SBR AR15 for HD?

I am really hankering for one for gun games, wonder whats your opinion over the 16 inch M4 type I already have?
 
This thread is done. We are talking about using .22s as self defense tools. Might as well go with slingshots and throwing knives...

No, the thread isn't done until we start talking about suppressed .22s and tactical wheelbarrows ... oops, now its done :neener:
 
whats wrong with the Winchester levergun in 30-30 Win ? they are way more effective then a M1 carbine or a .223 rem and more powerful one shot stop then the AK47. i would go for my 30-30 before i would a .223 AR or an AK47 for a 1 shot stop-


It kicks less then the shotgun too.

nothing will stop the bad guy better then a 150gr PHP (the new winchester ammo POWER MAX)
 
Now we are talking about shooting people in the nostrils with .22 rifles as a viable self defense plan. You guys are killing me. What next? Ninja mind control?
 
I prefer my AR over my 12ga for HD for its pin point accuracy ability. I don't want to have to worry about stray shot from a shotgun hitting a family member in another room because the spread opened up bigger than I thought it would. That being said the tip of the spear so to speak for HD is my Glock 17. In all actuality that is what I will have on me. Mobility wise it is best suited for the tight confines of a home.
 
Now we are talking about shooting people in the nostrils with .22 rifles as a viable self defense plan. You guys are killing me. What next? Ninja mind control?

Have you ever shot anything with a .22? Don't sound like it. I wouldn't wanna get shot with one, I can tell ya that, not even center mass. As was said, from a rifle it's every bit as good as a .380. Some folks pocket carry 32s, not me, but some do.

whats wrong with the Winchester levergun in 30-30 Win ?

Well, hell, I could slip a slug into one of my 12 gauges and that gives me 2600 ft lbs just with a Remington cheapo Slugger foster slug. Brennekes go over 3000 ft lbs, 7mm remington mag territory or pretty close. Of course, I have a 7mm rem mag, too. But, I kinda prefer number 3 buckshot in the house, in town as I am. If I lived out of town and didn't have any close neighbors, .30-30 would be fine, though I don't have one. But I do have a couple of SKSs and kinda consider them semi auto .30-30s. One of 'em's even pretty tacticool, folding stock and laser mounted. :D I have a 12" .30-30 barrel for my Contender, but that don't count.
 
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Now we are talking about shooting people in the nostrils with .22 rifles as a viable self defense plan. You guys are killing me. What next? Ninja mind control?

That has signature line potential there :) Just sayin......
 
Maverick, you need to change your name to "Maverick22".

A .22 rimfire doesn't even consistently put down a jackrabbit. My .223 blows them up.

Good luck with that .22 for self defense. Remember to carry ninja throwing stars as your backup weapon.
 
I've killed every jack, every coon, every squirrel and every armadillo I've ever shot with a .22. Toss in some odd stuff like nutria. Notice I said "shot", not "shot at". I've had a few get away. Wasn't the gun's fault or the caliber. If you couldn't kill a jack with yours, I'm guessing it wasn't the gun. :rolleyes: I have found with jacks and even cottontail, a hollowpoint worked better than a solid. Puts 'em down quick. I like solids on squirrel, less meat damage if I can't make a head shot. I've even killed a 200 lb hog with one and several smaller ones, and that from a 4" revolver! I shot 'em in the trap, of course, close enough for proper shot placement.

And, how about this?

http://catfishgumbo.blogspot.com/2007/10/grandmas-griz.html
 
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