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OK, I am going out on a limb here, but there are some recurring themes that we as veterans or you as noobs should avoid. Do a search for the topics before you post any of these and if your question or observation is truly new and unique, then post away. Other wise, it has been adressed to death.

Some of these topics are.

1. What gun should I buy for me, or my wife, or my mother or my girlfriend or my great aunt twice removed on my fathers brothers sisters side?

The answer to this is obvious. Buy the gun that you or they shoot the best. The prospective gun owner should go to a range and rent some guns to try and buy whichever shoots best for that person. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about the choice except the person who must use it.

2. Which is most effective 9mm or .45?

This has been done to death. There is only one right answer. It is the same answer to the question above. The most effective caliber is the one that you shoot best.

There are times when one is a better choice than the other but if you can't hit what you shoot at, it won't matter anyway.

3. Anything at all to do with Wal-Mart.

The people who work there are either the dumbest people on earth or the brightest and simply oppressed, depends on who you talk to. This subject has been done to death.

As well as WallyWorld is the saviour of the common people or the ruiner of America, again, depends on who is talking.

4. Anything that states that you are angry and feel like shooting something, IE. a dog or cat.

These are dumb rants and nothing good will come from posting this stuff.

5. What is the best caliber for mosquitos, bats, mutant teenage ninja turtles, godzilla, frankenstein or any other unreal entity.

These are cute, but have also been done to death.

6. Any ethical questions, such as, "Is it ok to rip off the gun shop if they made a mistake?"

The answer to these is obvious, if it wasn't it wouldn't be an ethics question. NO, it is not ok to rip any one off, no matter how much they deserve it.

7. Anything that is designed to start a flame war, or hurt someones feelings without acomplishing anything constructive.

A good example would be any of the numerous threads about spelling and punctuation.

It is ok to gently point out to someone that typing in all caps is considered shouting and is rude. But after one person has done it there is no reason for the rest of us to pile on.

8. When you post a question and get answers or recomendations, acknowledge the people who have taken the time to share their knowledge and experience. Many do this, many do not.

So there is a start, feel free to add your own.


DM

I feel better now, thank you.
 
I understand you intentions and I know you mean well, but. I get a kick out of some of these threads because although the topic is repetitious, the responses tend to differ from thread to thread. Personally, I can't get enough of the zombie, SHTF, end of the world threads. It's just fun.
 
DM - your observation is, of course, totally accurate.

The one thing tho I am aware of is that as the board grows and we get a lot of new folks - sometimes an old subject can still be interesting and entertaining - when ''populated'' by mostly ''new blood''. After all - there is probably (in theory) a finite number of subjects to discuss - on actual gun matters.

Overall tho I would certainly suggest and encourage, new people to go do a search as a precursive stage to posting.

As for ''caliber wars'' - oh my yeah - done to death - and some! :rolleyes: :D
 
We have Admins, Staff, and Moderators. Oh yeah Oleg too.

These folks ain't dumb. In doing a search and not sure of getting good sound advice - read the posts these folks provide. As time goes on it is easy to spot the other members of whom can best answer your questions.

WE have folks that are super smart in all sorts of areas, so use them.

We have a Library at the top right to assist with many questions, links and Threads. We also have many threads "stickied" at the top of respective forums.

Oh yeah, shotgunners, new, old or whatever. Bob Brister's Shotgunning: The Art and The Science answers most questions we see in the Shotgun Forum.
try www.abebooks.com

pax oftens sends her replies in her quotes - take note and learn.

El Tejon - RE: Bears. Trying to find a pet bear myself, gonna hang a Surfire around his neck. Just a theory about the "best" HD weapon I wanna test. :D

Ignore my posts. I'm just some guy on the Internet trying to get my Reprobate Cert.
 
Sm those are some very good points.

On another note, I was hoping you could help me with a little advice:
What caliber should I arm my one legged uncle with in the event he has to shoot his cat, 9mm or 45? Also is it okay to steal this ammo from Walmart if zombies attack?
Thanks.

P.S. your spelling sucks.
 
I recall recently where, in the space of a two month period, about five or six separate threads all started in the autoloader forum asking the same questions about the Beretta 3032 Tomcat -- along with about five or six threads all asking the same questions about Kel-Tecs ... Apparently, no one could get the "search" function working during this period ... Arrgh!

Frankly, it seems that lately every thread posted with a link to or copy of a current news story about either illegal activity, questionable shootings or possible civil rights violations by law enforcement officers is started solely to bring out the LEO-bashers in droves, which of course, tends to generate increasingly heated responses by LEOs, LEO-supporters and those of us who'd prefer to wait until the whole story comes out before making a judgement (or know nobody should make a judgement since they weren't participants or witnesses to the incidents)... so: I'm tired of the threads started just for the sport of it -- by members who know exactly what's gonna happen -- are they simply making a game to see how many posts get made before the thread gets locked?

I believe any posts related to current events and news stories of note should be generated to promote meaningful discussion -- not so we (yes, I'm guilty too) can AGAIN get wrapped around the axle about the same tired old topics like JBTs vs. law-abiding gun-owners ... and then AGAIN indulge in competitive urination with the same ol' names ...
 
Gee Chris, I'm *old* now gotta a great excuse for when I cannot find stuff or see it. Gonna use that excuse too. :p

Knowing me I scribbled a loading recipe, someone's email addy, or somesuch info from THR on the back of it.

I'll have you know I made straight A's in spelling and vocabulary. Understand I attended Publik Skool in da South tho'. Then 'puters came along, with spell-checkers and if you don't use it - you lose it kinda , sorta hit. So I type as I talk.

I use the Southern Drawl Format.

18.5 gr of Superlight powder "tumped" into a AA hull for Skeet loads...made sense to me. ;)
 
I kinda think that this is a forum, and its purpose is to discuss things, whether old or new. And if we only discussed new things, it would be awfully quiet round these parts... :uhoh:
 
So since a couple of the folks who use this site feel they basically have read it all regariding topics still of interest to the rest of us, does that mean the rest of us should just stop writing in these forums? I mean this as a real question, not a snide remark.

It sure sounds as if a couple of you are just about implying exactly that. Just because you feel you have discussed something to death does not make it so that someone else has done likewise. The attraction of forums is not to come here and read static library material, rather the real draw of a forum is contemporaneous, ongoing and, open sharing of conversation and ideas.

What really amazes me is that some of you say things like X or Y have been written about or discussed to death. If such were true then why is it that the legendary experts have kept putting out more and more info on the same subjects over and over again or years, without end in sight. Why is it that guns are constantly improved upon (at least attempts are made to improve upon them), same thing for cartridges and so forth if the best of anything has been found. Why is the military is still debating the effectiveness of one caliber over another, or one rifle design over another?

It also surprises me that you would refer a forum user, in essence, to only certain people's threads as being worthy of reading. I do not come to 'open' forums to only discuss issues with moderators, or with the site owner, no matter how knowledgeable they may be. I do not only have to discuss things with the more knowledgeable people as someone in essence suggested we do. I can discuss whatever topics with whomever cares to join the discussion - that is one of the wonderful things about an Internet forum that is basically open to the public to join. This is not a private good old boy's club, where only Boss Hogg and his minion know what is best, is it?

New ideas, new ways to look at old ideas and so forth often come about due to conversation or written correspondence that basically is beating a dead horse, even when it is a clueless newbie who is doing the beating. The thing is - sometimes you take a look at the horse and say man is it ever dead why keep beating it or even noticing it! Then suddenly, a new guy comes along looks at the same horse and realizes: "Holly horseflesh Batman that bull ain't no horse and it ain't quite dead yet..." Then something new may get learned or something old may be viewed in a new light. Without such, in my opinion, our intelligence would stagnate.

Sure it would be nice for people to use search engines to get some information to acquaint themselves with the issue on which they are seeking knowledge. Yet, if that was what everyone did then there would be little if anything posted on forums. That is because all knowledge like that can be had in books, periodicals, manuals or, purely informational web sites - so why have forums in the first place. Should we have them just so newbies can come to get lectured to by the more knowledgeable. That kind of learning stinks and does not encourage ongoing thoguht processes that lead to new ideas.

As for listing things you do not want to see others discuss in the forums: I have to wonder how many things could we all list that one or another of us believes have been beaten to death on forums. My bet is you could name just about every gun (or at least 95% of them) made in the 20th century and you would find they have been discussed to death on various forums. Likewise you could name gun accessories, optics, gun cleaning methods, range hints, tactics, self defense, home defense, lubricants, great shootists, hunting techniques, target types, at what age to break in new shooters, what gun to buy for granny, concealed carry, the second amendment and so on and on. So what? The thing is that other people want to discuss those topics because learning by discussion is much more interesting and intellectually stimulating than is reading from a book or from info pages on a web site. I am not saying books, or info pages, or experts are bad. I love em, I recommend them to everyone but, so to do I recommend discussion of the topics in which you have an interest even if only to discover that the idea you believe to be new is not so new. Get hit with that hammer enough times and you either clam up or come up with a new brilliant idea to stop the hammer wielder. That is how progress is made.

As to being sick of reading things over and over agin in forums have have a two pronged bit of advice. My advice would be:

1) If you don't want to read it, then don't read it but; if you want to
prevent such discussions from taking place then shame on you.

2) Start thinking up a whole new line of interesting topics to discuss on these
forums because if people start doing only what you have suggested, this
web site is doomed without fabulously interesting and original NEW
material.

The purpose of an Internet forum is for people to come together (virtually) and, for people to share information by way of written correspondence. How boring and, how univitingly cliquish, any forum would seem when its users sign on only to read old topics, old information, by the same old experts, without ever discussing those issues among one another in virtual real time.


Good luck,
Glenn B
 
What caliber should I arm my one legged uncle with in the event he has to shoot his cat, 9mm or 45? Also is it okay to steal this ammo from Walmart if zombies attack?
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Oh, c'mon! We ALL know that for killin' stuff, nothing beats the .45! It'll take a 900lb charging rhino and throw it back fifty feet before turning it into a cloud of radioactive vapor! I don't even know why I own so many 9mms, but if you refute my point, I'll send you and your poor-spelling friends straight to the great WalMart in the sky!

Same goes for your blind, one-armed, FAT grandma :p

Seriously, good points, and I'll admit to getting tired of seeing some of the same questions/debates all the time. However, as was pointed out above, sometimes starting a new thread rather than rekindling a year-old one generates new responses. New members are always coming in, and the experiences of older members may have changed in that time.

While "What calipar does teh Glock come in," is hardly stimulating, alot of the ethics-based posts do stir up some thinking from time to time. (Even the "hate" threads made me laugh out loud a couple of times)

I'm willing to sift through some "lowest common denominator" stuff and redundancy when the rest of the experience here is so worthwhile, although I'm among the many who wish more folks knew the Mysteries of the Arcane Search Function before they posted.

Oh, and would a 10mm be enough to stop Godzilla?
 
This is much ado about nothing.

If we NEVER discuss a topic that has been discussed before, what will we eventually talk about. Seems to me that we will run out of topics.

I go to "new posts" and scan the topics. If something appeals to me, I read it. If it doesn't catch my interest, I move on. If I've seen the topic before, I may look to see if something new is said, then again I may not. What's so hard about that?

I just don't see how these things are such a bother. Am I missing something?
 
Glen,

Well said, but I think you may have missed the point a little.

So since a couple of the folks who use this site feel they basically have read it all regariding topics still of interest to the rest of us, does that mean the rest of us should just stop writing in these forums?
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If you read what I said, you would see where I suggested they use the search function for the topic they have in mind and if they had something new to add, post away. The examples I gave are more what I had in mind.

As for listing things you do not want to see others discuss in the forums: I have to wonder how many things could we all list that one or another of us believes have been beaten to death on forums.
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Again, look at the things I listed. Show me one of the topics I listed where there could possibly be some new information. My list is a starting point with suggestions. Not rules, certainly not laws, suggestions.

1) If you don't want to read it, then don't read it but; if you want to
prevent such discussions from taking place then shame on you.
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Thanks, I don't and I don't.

2) Start thinking up a whole new line of interesting topics to discuss on these forums
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You mean like this one? :neener:

I did read your entire post and you made some valid points. Again, this is not intended to keep people from posting, just to guide them into posting more effectively.


Thanks for the time and thought you put into your response.
DM
 
Are We Breaking Some Kind Of Thr Rules By Opening A New Thread That Has Been Discussed Before? If Not Then I Have To Get Back To My Wall-mart Job Where I Am Trying To Decide What Ammo Is Best To Hunt Down And Kill Mutant Zombie Aliens From Planet Zortrude. Can Anyone Reccomend A Good Gun For This?
 
MrHuckins,

You sir are an obvious troll, everyone knows that mutant zombie aliens come from the planet Zoltan, not Zortrude.


And has been stated before, It would be .45.

DM
 
So what if it's an "old" topic?? There's always something new to learn, someone new to teach me something I haven't heard before, someone who's been around for awhile who says something in a new way I hadn't heard them say before, someone new who hasn't heard the arguments and genuinely benefits from the live discussion. Post away!

I do confess, however, that I get very weary of consolidating threads discussing current news items. There was one item awhile back that popped up -- I kid you not -- no fewer than eleven threads. All of which were started by someone posting the exact same news account, sans commentary.

For the sake of the moderators, if you're posting a news item, run a search for it first.

Pretty please. :)

pax

I mean, the question actors most often get asked is how they can bear saying the same things over and over again, night after night, but God knows the answer to that is, don't we all anyway; might as well get paid for it. -- Elaine Dundy
 
When we gonna do the .17 vs .22 thread ? :D

Still think '06 from a Model is NOT overkill on skunks. It is called Misty

Art taught me that term. See- one can learn from seasoned Mods like Art on this Forum.

"Here Misty, Here Misty, Misty" ...BOOM! :evil:

PETA - eat your heart out...please. Bwhahahah!
 
You sir are an obvious troll, everyone knows that mutant zombie aliens come from the planet Zoltan, not Zortrude.
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Yeah. Like, duh! It's BIGFOOT who comes from Zortrude, and when the big hairy fella comes knockin' you want the reliable penetration and expansion of a 9mm. Preferably a Sig, becuase we all know that the silly Tennifer finish rusts like crazy in the acid swamps they have there.

Of course, be sure it's Bigfoot, and not Chewbacca, who hails from Kashyyk, and well...you just don't want to get into a gunfight with THAT guy :D
 
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