Daedalus
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I know I am comparing ramen noodles to caviar here, but what is the difference between the CETME and HK91?
SHould I buy HK91
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Chipperman
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It's ok to bring an HK91 into MA (provided you have a Class A license), you just have to pay an FFL to transfer it for you.
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It's ok to bring an HK91 into MA (provided you have a Class A license), you just have to pay an FFL to transfer it for you.
Chipperman
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"what is the difference between the CETME and HK91?"
About $1500.
It's analogous to the difference between a Colt AR and an Olympic AR.
About $1500.
It's analogous to the difference between a Colt AR and an Olympic AR.
another48hrs
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A Greek SAR and a Portugese G3S are both great rifles for the money and are built on HK tooling. I bought an SAR3 and am over joyed by it. A soft shooter and more accurate than I am, but there is something about getting a real HK from Germany.
I don't think there will be a quality G3 clone that is exactly like a HK91 in America after the AWB, unless someone buys the tooling to make a receiver that is HK specs. But I have to agree with everyone else about going to Investment Grade Firearms to get a G3 built. If you want to go this route you better find a FMP receiver quick before there are no more left. These receivers are made in Portugal and are HK spec.
I don't think there will be a quality G3 clone that is exactly like a HK91 in America after the AWB, unless someone buys the tooling to make a receiver that is HK specs. But I have to agree with everyone else about going to Investment Grade Firearms to get a G3 built. If you want to go this route you better find a FMP receiver quick before there are no more left. These receivers are made in Portugal and are HK spec.
iamkris
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Actually Chipperman, that's not quite right.
CETME is the predecessor of the HK G3 which became the HK91 in civilian skin. Most CETME parts are not interchangeable with G3/HK91 parts. Main differences are sights, selector switch, mags, stocks (although for a while G3s had wood stocks) and a multitude of internal dimensions.
In general, G3-clone parts are newer and in better condition than CETME parts. Individual rifles may vary of course.
Also, the fit and finish of a Century-built rifle are abysmal compared to work by HK or one of the good builders...especially in the areas of welding/finishing and "alignment".
$1500 difference?... Err, prolly not. But that's what we in the marketing world call Brand Value. (just like a Sony with comparable features/performance than say a Samsung electonic product will almost always command a higher price.)
CETME is the predecessor of the HK G3 which became the HK91 in civilian skin. Most CETME parts are not interchangeable with G3/HK91 parts. Main differences are sights, selector switch, mags, stocks (although for a while G3s had wood stocks) and a multitude of internal dimensions.
In general, G3-clone parts are newer and in better condition than CETME parts. Individual rifles may vary of course.
Also, the fit and finish of a Century-built rifle are abysmal compared to work by HK or one of the good builders...especially in the areas of welding/finishing and "alignment".
$1500 difference?... Err, prolly not. But that's what we in the marketing world call Brand Value. (just like a Sony with comparable features/performance than say a Samsung electonic product will almost always command a higher price.)
Chipperman
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iamkris:
You're right. I was thinking G3 when I made the comparison, not CETME. That's what happens when you make posts late at night.
The $1500 price differential holds for the G3 to HK91 comparison.
You're right. I was thinking G3 when I made the comparison, not CETME. That's what happens when you make posts late at night.
The $1500 price differential holds for the G3 to HK91 comparison.
iamkris
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No prob...heck, I make those kinda mistakes in the middle of the day!
Tamara
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Bear in mind that the HK-91 is not a $2,000+ rifle. It is an $800 rifle that sells for $2,000 due to a fixed supply caused by a goofy executive order signed in 1989. Prior to importation being stopped in 1989, an HK-91 actually cost less than a Colt AR-15.
Mute
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I lean towards FALs myself, but a genuine HK will probably turn out to, at the very least, be a good investment, financiall.
I think if you can buy it cheap enough it would be a positive investment . I think $1800 would be tops .
But , over the last 5 years or so , the prices on these and other "pre-1989" guns have stabilized big time .
The only prices that continue to climb are on the class 3 machineguns .
But , over the last 5 years or so , the prices on these and other "pre-1989" guns have stabilized big time .
The only prices that continue to climb are on the class 3 machineguns .
Tamara
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Actually, HK prices are still way high due to the relative availability and modularity of Fleming autosears.
I agree Tamara , they are high .
My observation is that they haven't continued to climb like Class 3 has . HK91's have been $1800 - $2000 for 4 or 5 years . If anything , they have come down some . I can recall that $2500-$3000 for a 91 wasn't unheard of after the 94 Crime Bill took effect .
My point was that I don't consider them a very good investment if you want a reasonable return on your money . IMO .
My observation is that they haven't continued to climb like Class 3 has . HK91's have been $1800 - $2000 for 4 or 5 years . If anything , they have come down some . I can recall that $2500-$3000 for a 91 wasn't unheard of after the 94 Crime Bill took effect .
My point was that I don't consider them a very good investment if you want a reasonable return on your money . IMO .
clint1911a1
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Once upon a time I owned all three of the big three and carried them extensively.
Springfield Armory M1-A
DSA SA-58
HK-91
I still own two of them:
Sprinfield Armory M1-A
DSA SA-58
Sold the HK-91 for less than what I gave for it :banghead: just to get rid of the
thing.
Springfield Armory M1-A
DSA SA-58
HK-91
I still own two of them:
Sprinfield Armory M1-A
DSA SA-58
Sold the HK-91 for less than what I gave for it :banghead: just to get rid of the
thing.clint1911a1
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Don't get me wrong, there wasn't anything wrong with the rifle as far as function, reliability, accuracy, etc. It was just that the things have horrible ergonomics, hate the controls, and didn't seem to balance well to me. Didn't care much for the method of sight adjustment either.
I guess I would have to say it's all personal preference issues with me.
I guess I would have to say it's all personal preference issues with me.
clint1911a1
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Pretty dramatic aren't I.
dramatic aren't I.Tamara
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Re: Ergonomics...
Heh. I was chatting with Marko yesterday and commented that I thought my '91 was one of the best .308 battle rifles I've played with, but only for 20 rounds at a lick. After twenty rounds it suddenly became the worst.
Heh. I was chatting with Marko yesterday and commented that I thought my '91 was one of the best .308 battle rifles I've played with, but only for 20 rounds at a lick. After twenty rounds it suddenly became the worst.
doctorhumbert
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Thanks guys, I bought HK93!
doctorhumbert
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I paid $2000 with A2 stock, and boght A3 stock soon after.
I also have plastic FBI F/S ambi trigger assembly on the way.
I only had a chance to shoot it at an indoor range, and managed to produce single jagged holes at 25 yards, usually around 1/2" to 1/3"
Recoil was mild, and the rifle was 100% reliable through 280rds of 55gr Winchester value pak 223.
Yeah, I found usual complaints against this rifle to be true.
-You need a CHEWBAKA hand to operate the controls.
-There is no last round hold device, and you get a surprise hammer drop on an empty chamer.
-It's heavy, especially toward front.
-You need two hands to remove the magazine.
But, compared to post ban bush AR15 I had, I found HK93 to be superior in regard to:
-More reliable mechanism and magazine.
-I liked HK sights better than AR sights.
-The preban flash suppressor is an welcomed feature, compared to post ban barrel or a blinding/deafening muzzle brakes.
-Far more rugged than AR. Though blocky, the bolt looks virtually indestructable.
-It sounds solid, where as AR gives that annoying springy sound in the stock.
Frankly I do not trust AR15 in the reliability department. Though HK93 is heavier, and less ergonomic, I think it is far more worry free than AR.
I think it's a keeper!
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