Should i get a 10mm?

[Rodentman]

I also have a G20 and G29 as well as a Smith 310 NG and 610-3. Oh, I almost forgot the SW Sportsman. They're great. I agree that reloading is the way to go. The DE is a completely different animal and hot loads in the .50 can be disconcerting. Still it's fun. And you can get a 10" barrel.

Back to the 10mm, I love the round. Plenty of power but easy to manage and carry, especially the 29.

 

[Bigtime Sexy]

Joker,

No one addressed why you were asking or what you were looking for in a gun. A bit peculiar. I remember the FBI considering the 10mm because it would shoot through a cinder block wall. As a civilian, especially, I want a visual of anything I shoot at. I may be wrong, but I think the FBI ended up going with the .40 S&W instead.

My biggest concerns with the .10mm, in these uncertain times, would be cost and scarcity of ammo and commonality of replacement parts. If its another toy and you have surplus cash, I'd say go for it. If its going to be your sole sidearm, I'd go with a 9mm, .40, or a 45. If the SHTF, you don't want to be running around with a thousand dollar club and no ammo. I'm starting to buy 9mm pistols instead of .40s myself. I hit what I shoot at and I want common, relatively inexpensive rounds.

 

[intercooler]

.40 and 10mm use the same bullets, powder but you need the brass. Stock up like you would any caliber.

10mm will go from mild (easy shooting as any 9mm) to wild! Can't fuel up a .45 like a 10mm.

 

[Dogbite]

I carried a 10mm for years and almost shed a tear when I had to sell it. Getting another one really soon. Awesome round. I got out one day and shot all kinds of media with it, next to full power 357 loads, and it outpowered the 357 mag over and over. It was jaw dropping. There is a great Youtube vid of a guy chronographing loads out of a g20. He made a list of full power 10mm loads that really performed. Check it out.

 

[hq]

Just curious as to others opinions on this round. I've heard so much about how powerful and versatile this round is.

Hot handloads and full house factory loads are what the reputation of the 10mm is built on. Most commonly available factory ammo is a far cry from its full capability, not very different from .40. If you roll your own or if you're willing to spend a bit more on premium ammo, the 10mm is an awesome round.

As far as which gun to choose, I'll stay out of the conversation. Some people like Glocks, some classic all-steel double action pistols, some even insist on having a vintage Bren Ten; my favorites in this caliber are Colt Delta Gold Cup and Para P16-10 but that's just a personal preference.

 

[PabloJ]

Just curious as to others opinions on this round. I've heard so much about how powerful and versatile this round is. I'm in the market for another gun and I've been eyeballing another .45, particularly the Ruger SR1911, but then the 10mm came to mind again. I understand that ammo can be harder to find and its expensive. I've did my research and found that Buffalo Bore and Double Tap are the main premium full house loads for the 10mm. I've thought about the Glock 29 since it would serve me good due to having a conceal permit, but I've also heard good things about the Glock 20 full size pistol. Just looking for advice and personal opinions, thanks in advance!

That is entirely up to you. The round has too much: recoil, blast, noise and gas pressure to ever entice me. Quality ammo is difficult to find locally and it is simply not cost effective for me to get into reloading.

 

[Ankeny]

Had a Delta Elite and a G20. Good round for the woods if you are worried about bears. Good round if you are into the power thing. I find the round with full boat ammo a bit much as far as recoil. There will be a trade off in terms of speed on multiple targets/multiple shots.

 

[CDW4ME]

I got my Glock 29 SF new from Glockmeister $547 shipped.

Parts: the 29 uses most of the same parts as the 30, so parts not going to be a problem; the factory recoil spring is the same and Wolff magazine springs are the same.

Recoil: the 10mm (in full power loads) may not kick any more than 45 acp. Example:
I had a Glock 36, Winchester Ranger T 230 averaged 874 fps / 390# KE / PF 201
Out of my 29, Hornady 155 XTP averaged 1,278 fps / 562# KE / PF 198

Using the above two loads (from similar size & weight pistols) the recoil is essentially the same, according to the power factor calculation. Subjectively, felt recoil could be experienced differently (push VS snap) but the amount is comparable.

Yes, if you took a Buffalo Bore 180 gr. 10mm load and compared to a standard pressure Remington 185 gr. JHP 45 acp the 10mm would produce more recoil; I'm just pointing out that not all full power 10mm ammo is automatically going to produce more recoil than 45 acp, load dependent.

I highly recommend the Pearce +0 magazine base with pinky rest should you get a Glock 29, the extension adds control.

If you get a 10mm IMO you should load it with "full power" ammunition, if not just stick with 45 acp or 40 S&W. I think the Hornady factory ammo is a nice blend of power (562# out of a short barrel) and control.

 

[harrygunner]

It's like shooting a .45 ACP +P.

I posted on GlockTalk about my concern for all the hyperbolic claims made about the 10mm. I wanted to address how the exaggerations have turned people away from a fantastic round. (The "kids" showed up and ruined the thread. )

I had a fiftyish year old, small woman (under a 100 lbs) shoot my 10mm. She had all the hits in a four inch circle at seven yards on her first try. She was not overwhelmed by "recoil, blast, noise and gas pressure". Neither am I.

Internet has people thinking a 10mm will bowl the shooter over from the "massive" recoil, take down Alaska brown bears, and drive them to the poor house buying ammo.

I carry a 10mm for self-defense.

 

[memphisjim]

yes

 

[Mac's Precision]

harrygunner, well put. I don't find it to be outrageous either. I carry it every day. There are some of the hot rod ammo makers that are pushing the envelope up to if not nearly beyond SAAMI for 10mm. Surely they are hot stuff. McNett does get some horsepower out of them as does Buffalo bore. I run the 150 Corbon and Hornady. I find it just fine to shoot. Any load that is 150-200 doing 1150-1250 is about right. The recoil is mildly stiffer in a 1911 than the Glock 20/29 but neither is a problem. It is a good round. It deserves a hell of a following. It's a shame 40 S&w stole it's thunder because quite frankly .40 S&W can't hold a candle to 10mm Auto.

 

[memphisjim]

yez hot 10mm air smacks you in the face its a magnum round

 

[Mr.510]

10mm will go from mild (easy shooting as any 9mm) to wild! Can't fuel up a .45 like a 10mm.

Of course you can, it's called .45 Super. It's easy to make many production guns shoot it with just a recoil spring change and they can still shoot regular .45ACP. It's ballistics are about the same as 10mm but it makes a bigger hole.

 

[Prosser]

Mr. 510 beat me too it.

Some .45 ACP guns, Detonics in particular, are timed so that they can take .45 Super with a spring change, or not.

A bunch of guys took the Glock 30 and shoot .45 Super out of it with a spring change, IIRC from the old Glock Forum. Might do a search there.

The advantage to the 29 is it's really designed with a heavier slide to soak up recoil, and slow it down.

Also, at least here, the only reasonable Glock in the gun cabinet is a 29, probably due to the Fish case, and the incredible paranoia that living in Kali creates.

Also in states with magazine limitations, like Kali, the 10 rounds of 10 MM is the most you are going to be allowed to carry, in a small package, like the 29. Also, Mike McNett REALLY likes the 10MM and his factory ammo is really good stuff.

 

[hq]

If you want even more power, there's always .45 Win Mag, which enables you to push 250gr XTP bullets to around 1600fps from a long-barreled LAR Grizzly pistol. That, however, is far more recoil and muzzle blast than I want to handle unless I'm hunting dangerous (four-legged) game.

10mm isn't a bad compromise when you look at the combination of versatility, magazine capacity and ballistics. When it was first introduced in the 80's I wasn't too thrilled, but it has slowly become one of my all-time favorite calibers. Very underrated for what it's actually capable of.

 

[intercooler]

.45 Super? Just get the 10 and not have to fool with any of that. Where does one find .45 Super ammo with any ease? Surely not on the best site for finding any kind of ammo:

http://gun-deals.com/ammo

Plus it still doesn't equal the performance or bullet selection of the 10.

 

[Jason_W]

I recently picked up a Glock 20 with the intention of eventually modifying it to be a deer hunting pistol.

I know a lot of people will wonder why I didn't just go with a magnum revolver for such purpose, but the truth is that I seem to shoot better with autos than with revolvers, and in spite of the really cool cowboy appeal of wheelguns, autos (particularly the bulky grip of the G20) feels more comfortable in my hand.

I'm finding there are some downsides to the 10mm as others have pointed out. Finding ammo can be a pain. I'm lucky if any of the LGS carry any, and it's expensive when I find it. I'm be working on getting set up to reload for it.

 

[Oceanbob]

Yes, 10MM is king.

First, start reloading 10MM. Same bullets as .40 Short and Weak with dozens of shapes and varieties available. In addition, several good rounds are available from Buffalo Bore, Underwood ammo and Double-tap.

Recoil out of the GLOCK platform is not an issue; much like a steel 1911 shooting .45 auto....nothing to think or worry about.

Other advantages to the GLOCK platform, besides being able to tune and maintain the weapon all-by-yourself....:

1. You can run either the GLOCK 20 or GLOCK 29 with a .40 barrel (same magazines) and .40 is WIDELY available for less money (if that is an issue) at Wally World. Cost for a barrel is about $115.

Also you can run with a .357 SIG barrel, 9X25 barrel (same magazines)
again, offering a choice of 4 calibers with a simple barrel swap that takes 14.5 seconds.

The GLOCK 29 is my favorite handgun of all time. It will take G20, 15 round magazines as well.

2. At around $500 to $600,, nothing is a better buy. Buy two.

3. The Glock 29 and Glock 30 (.45) have the exact same frame and ejector. So you can also install a 10MM top or a 45 TOP end on either frame to convert calibers. Another change that takes only 12 seconds. You will have to change magazines.

4. Advantage Arms makes a .22 top for these GLOCKs as well.

I reload so ammo costs are not an issue.

 

[420Stainless]

I'm a fan of the 10mm. I'm a handloader, but I have found practice ammo locally at about $26 a box. 10's can be loaded pretty stout though nothing that is hard to manage in the size handgun that most are chambered with it. Don't know anything about the Glock. I'm sure its a fine handgun, but I don't like the way they look and I prefer a manual safety - so I haven't ever owned one.

 

[CDW4ME]

Couple people mentioned reloading, I didn't in my initial reply, but I will now.

I have a old progressive press that I loaded a bunch of ammo on, but I was still using my single stage too.

In the recent past, I loaded 1,000 rounds of 10mm on my single stage press. With the single stage press I can monitor each step of the process for consistency. Taking my time, it takes about 1 hour to 75 min load a 50 round box using my old single stage press; also, I prime the cases one at a time with a seperate tool and I taper / factory crimp too, frequently checking OAL.

Basic reloading tools: single stage press, primer tool, dies, dial caliper, scale, powder measure.
Cost: I see the Lee Challenger Reloading kit (press, scale, powder measure) at Cabelas for $125, set of 4 dies about $45 more, dial caliber $25; basic loading set-up could be had for around $200.

Using new brass and Hornady XTP bullets, my cost to handload ammunition that matches factory velocity is about $24 for 50 rounds. If I'm going to spend the time to handload, I want to produce ammunition that is equivalent to factory and could be used for SD if needed. So far, my Glock has been fed about 50 factory Hornady rounds and 250 of my comparable (matching) handloads.

1,000 rounds of factory 10mm Hornady ammunition in little 20 round boxes would cost about $800-$900

My cost for 1,000 equivalent rounds, including new Starline brass, powder, primers, and XTP bullets: about $480

You could recoup the cost for buying a basic reloading set-up within the first 1,000 rounds.

 

[BELinMA]

Reloader's choice

I handload for my 10MM, and as noted above, it's very versatile - mild => wild no problem.

40 S&W is 10MM set on "stun".

 

[PabloJ]

Yes, 10MM is king.

First, start reloading 10MM. Same bullets as .40 Short and Weak with dozens of shapes and varieties available. In addition, several good rounds are available from Buffalo Bore, Underwood ammo and Double-tap.

Recoil out of the GLOCK platform is not an issue; much like a steel 1911 shooting .45 auto....nothing to think or worry about.

Other advantages to the GLOCK platform, besides being able to tune and maintain the weapon all-by-yourself....:

1. You can run either the GLOCK 20 or GLOCK 29 with a .40 barrel (same magazines) and .40 is WIDELY available for less money (if that is an issue) at Wally World. Cost for a barrel is about $115.

Also you can run with a .357 SIG barrel, 9X25 barrel (same magazines)
again, offering a choice of 4 calibers with a simple barrel swap that takes 14.5 seconds.

The GLOCK 29 is my favorite handgun of all time. It will take G20, 15 round magazines as well.

2. At around $500 to $600,, nothing is a better buy. Buy two.

3. The Glock 29 and Glock 30 (.45) have the exact same frame and ejector. So you can also install a 10MM top or a 45 TOP end on either frame to convert calibers. Another change that takes only 12 seconds. You will have to change magazines.

4. Advantage Arms makes a .22 top for these GLOCKs as well.

I reload so ammo costs are not an issue.

This makes lot of sense. I would buy Glock 29 if I didn't already own .45 auto.

 

[flip888]

I love the idea of a ccw EAA Whitnes in 10mm. Its a .40 magnum CZ75. I thought long and hard about getting 1 but settled for something else as an edc. As for the Glock, its a poly framed gun, id imagine recoil would be an issue as an edc rig. Otherwise jump in and dont look back (as long as you hand load).

 

[saturno_v]

. S&W 10MM pistols, 600 - ? these are no longer in production and can be hard to find. Holsters are also a bit of a PITA to find and one usually has to go the custom route for them.

For my S&W 1006 I use 2 nylon holsters (ambi and metal clip) from Soft Armor and KNJ...they fit perfectly...nothing fancy, no leather, they just plain work.....

 

[jerkface11]

I had a witness compact 10mm with the wonder finish. It was a fun little gun. If you get one though buy a new recoil spring as it is sprung just like the .40. You'll probably have to re-contour the extractor because they throw the brass into the next county. I currently have a G20 it's a nice gun and I don't see it going anywhere.