Texas9
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Don't wanna repeat too much, but the letter of the law is clear. If you commit a felony, you lose rights. It's a consequence of the action. If you want to lawfully own firearms, be a lawful citizen. It's that simple, to me...
Should violent felons be allowed firearms?
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JesseL
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GRIZZ22 said:
The law doesn't prevent felons from getting guns it makes it illegal.
You need to go through an FFL to buy a firearm from a seller from out of your home state. You have to fill out a 4473 form every time you buy a gun. Your taxes have to support the federal NICS system. These are all unacceptable infringements on my liberty and yours.
All for what? So you can have an extra charge against a released felon that's been caught misbehaving again when they should never have been released in the first place.
Why would so many people here say "gun control doesn't work" & "criminals don't obey the law" in one breath, and "we need laws against felons owning guns" in the next?
If laws against murder, theft, and rape aren't stopping criminals, what makes you think more laws will?
ripcurlksm
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Glock, I cant spell. I respectfully stand by my opinion. NO. 
MrTuffPaws
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Because a lot of people here think that if they are doing nothing wrong, then it does not affect them. Sad to say, but true. I wonder how many of them would change their minds if they became a felon by breaking one of the many truly stupid laws that carry a punishment of a felony.
Fosbery
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My 2p:
If someone is so bad that they cannot be trusted to own a firearm, they shouldn't be let out of jail at all. For the rest, prison is your punishment. It should not follow you around after you have served your time (and it will even do that since you will have a criminal record making work hard to find).
If someone is so bad that they cannot be trusted to own a firearm, they shouldn't be let out of jail at all. For the rest, prison is your punishment. It should not follow you around after you have served your time (and it will even do that since you will have a criminal record making work hard to find).
Well this question seems to be a bit far ahead of itself. Currently all felons are barred, not just violent ones. A single CCW interpretation error, an upset LEO or a huge list of felonies that do not require any violence or malice whatsoever could ban people from having a voice in politics for life or from protecting themselves or others. I think if someone is free in America they deserve all the rights of an American. If they are unsafe or a danger to others they do not deserve to be free. Creating different levels of freedom and catagories of who are entitled to the rights of an American seems like a way around the words of the constitution. Wouldn't every single founding father have been considered a felon of Britain?
Taking it to the extremes of murderer etc when someone that misfiled thier taxes could also be a felon seems to be a way of voicing your opinion in favor of from the start. In fact I would really like if someone could compile a list of what appear to be the most minor felonies in some states to accurately paint a proper picture of the discussion. One of my favorite I just stumbled upon recently was the creation of a 'hidden compartment' if some LEO decides to interpret a spot as a hidden compartment for carrying contraband even if there is no contraband. Glad I stumbled across that before I decided to make a safe place to store things I didn't want a criminal to find making myself a felon waiting to be charged.
Taking it to the extremes of murderer etc when someone that misfiled thier taxes could also be a felon seems to be a way of voicing your opinion in favor of from the start. In fact I would really like if someone could compile a list of what appear to be the most minor felonies in some states to accurately paint a proper picture of the discussion. One of my favorite I just stumbled upon recently was the creation of a 'hidden compartment' if some LEO decides to interpret a spot as a hidden compartment for carrying contraband even if there is no contraband. Glad I stumbled across that before I decided to make a safe place to store things I didn't want a criminal to find making myself a felon waiting to be charged.
cropcirclewalker
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I think the results of this poll only prove that we are doomed as a free people.
I yam sure that the Brady Cartel is happy to see that 80 percent of a pro-gun forum are in favor of "common sense" gun control.
To admit being willing to infringe upon an uninfringable right is granting the majority the right to do the same. What fools we be.
Plain and simple as 2a is, we are still so simple as to fall for it.
Yes, we think that common sense is to prohibit violent felons.
Moderates may think it common sense to prohibit ANY felons.
Gun grabbers may think that any gun owner should be a felon.
80 percent of us are our own worst enemy.
Shame.
I yam sure that the Brady Cartel is happy to see that 80 percent of a pro-gun forum are in favor of "common sense" gun control.
To admit being willing to infringe upon an uninfringable right is granting the majority the right to do the same. What fools we be.
Plain and simple as 2a is, we are still so simple as to fall for it.
Yes, we think that common sense is to prohibit violent felons.
Moderates may think it common sense to prohibit ANY felons.
Gun grabbers may think that any gun owner should be a felon.
80 percent of us are our own worst enemy.
Shame.
Jesse L,
Even if I were to agree with everything else you say what's wrong with having an extra charge against a convicted felon with a firearm.
The fact is convicted felons are released. They will not be locked up forever. Not a bad idea but it won't happen. There is another part of the Constitution after the 2A that prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Society has dictated and liberal judicial systems won't lock up someone for the rest of their lives for most violent felonies.
Even if I were to agree with everything else you say what's wrong with having an extra charge against a convicted felon with a firearm.
The fact is convicted felons are released. They will not be locked up forever. Not a bad idea but it won't happen. There is another part of the Constitution after the 2A that prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Society has dictated and liberal judicial systems won't lock up someone for the rest of their lives for most violent felonies.
thexrayboy
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After thinking about this I have to say no...Felons should not be allowed to own firearms. Now having said that I would consider some exceptions.
The theory is that once you have served your time you have paid your debt to society has some merit. However many felons have multiple convictions and a history of crime. This indicates that they cannot be trusted. Even if they only are convicted for one crime often they are guilty of many crimes they are not convicted of.
If in fact the really violent and dangerous types were removed via execution or self defense so they no longer existed to menace society I might reconsider. However as our society gets softer and weaker these violent predators tend to serve shorter and shorter sentences before being sent back into the public to continue preying on the populace. Again, another reason to not make it legal for felons to own.
If a person with a felony conviction who indeed has gone straight and shown he is a useful and trusted member of society would like to reassert his right to own a gun we could try this as a solution. If said person meets criteria determining he has paid his debt to society and been reformed he should be able to petition the legal system for a judgement restoring his civil rights including the right to vote and own firearms. Once definitive criteria have been set forth and this person meets them it would be the burden of the state to show cause why his rights should not be restored.
This would give those who really wish to rejoin society in full a valid option without automatically giving full rights to all felons.
The theory is that once you have served your time you have paid your debt to society has some merit. However many felons have multiple convictions and a history of crime. This indicates that they cannot be trusted. Even if they only are convicted for one crime often they are guilty of many crimes they are not convicted of.
If in fact the really violent and dangerous types were removed via execution or self defense so they no longer existed to menace society I might reconsider. However as our society gets softer and weaker these violent predators tend to serve shorter and shorter sentences before being sent back into the public to continue preying on the populace. Again, another reason to not make it legal for felons to own.
If a person with a felony conviction who indeed has gone straight and shown he is a useful and trusted member of society would like to reassert his right to own a gun we could try this as a solution. If said person meets criteria determining he has paid his debt to society and been reformed he should be able to petition the legal system for a judgement restoring his civil rights including the right to vote and own firearms. Once definitive criteria have been set forth and this person meets them it would be the burden of the state to show cause why his rights should not be restored.
This would give those who really wish to rejoin society in full a valid option without automatically giving full rights to all felons.
SAG0282
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No, not legal for violent felons IMO.
Also keep in mind that as long as it is legal you can control what type of weapon. Once you ban them completely they might as well have whatever they like that they can find. Banning guns in England has caused lots of unregulated smuggled guns the local government has no control over and very sneaky key chain and such guns looking like normal items. It actualy encourages full auto, and other things government can regulate into near non existence when they are legal, but lose control over when they ban large segments of the market.
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I voted no, but for those who said yes, your creating a target rich enviroment.
Let them lose all their rights, including the right to protect their family( oh hell, why let them have a family?)
also take away their right to pay all taxes, land, school, state, federal, and sales taxes, lets punish them til it hurts. if they start to go strait, lets kickem back down.
also take away their right to pay all taxes, land, school, state, federal, and sales taxes, lets punish them til it hurts. if they start to go strait, lets kickem back down.
Q: Should violent ex-cons be allowed firearms?
Key word: violent
Voilent--- did he butcher a couple innocent people like a person we all know or did he catch a 28 yr old taking advantage of his 14 yr old daughter? every case is different..
If a cop is going to give you a ticket and turns to go toward his car, you tap him on the shoulder to say something to his face, you just commited an assault if the cop is in the wrong mood.
Key word: violent
Voilent--- did he butcher a couple innocent people like a person we all know or did he catch a 28 yr old taking advantage of his 14 yr old daughter? every case is different..
If a cop is going to give you a ticket and turns to go toward his car, you tap him on the shoulder to say something to his face, you just commited an assault if the cop is in the wrong mood.
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