Show me your Mosin
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Here she is...
She's an Izhevsk m44 with:
ATI synthetic stock
ATI scope mount
ATI bolt handle (cheap tap they sent me broke so I ended up welding it on)
UTG compact multi-function bipod
Tasco 3-9x40 scope
Saddle Mate sling
Could've been nicer but I was working on a very limited budget and the whole thing was less than $300. I blued the bolt as best I could, handle was stainless so it just got a little darker. Left the bayonet on just because I didn't want to deal with the headache of trying to get it off, besides, I might need to bayonet something.
She's an Izhevsk m44 with:
ATI synthetic stock
ATI scope mount
ATI bolt handle (cheap tap they sent me broke so I ended up welding it on)
UTG compact multi-function bipod
Tasco 3-9x40 scope
Saddle Mate sling
Could've been nicer but I was working on a very limited budget and the whole thing was less than $300. I blued the bolt as best I could, handle was stainless so it just got a little darker. Left the bayonet on just because I didn't want to deal with the headache of trying to get it off, besides, I might need to bayonet something.
ID_shooting
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B yond, I just picked up an m44 I really don't want or like. I do like what you did though. What do you get for accuracy?
Cosmoline
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THEN GIVE IT TO ME
Please don't make the mistake of hacking up a perfectly good rifle. jlacy destroyed a very nice laminated stock. Most M-44's aren't particularly rare, but some are exceedingly so and rate a "10" on 54R's collectability scale. Just put the hack saw down and back away slowly!
If you don't like the existing stock, by all means swap it over to a synthetic stock. If you don't like the bayo, it takes a minute to unscrew it and pop it off. No problem. But please take the time to learn how to use iron sights and the straight bolt. Part of having vintage rifles is learning something new about how to shoot them. Trying to hack and slash them into something that operates more like the standard American bolt action hunting rifles you're used to sellls you and the rifle short.
Jackal
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Mine is an origional, all matching m44, not a re-arsenal. I have not permanently altered the gun. The bolt is a new sniper style and i still have the origional. Accuracy in the scout config is about 1" at 50yds. At least thats the best i can shoot it. I also did a trigger job myself, and now i have a 4lb, creep free, ultra smooth trigger.
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Before I put the bipod on I was getting 3" groups @ 100 yds propped up against a dead tree using surplus ammo. I'm hoping that the bipod will give me a little more accuracy but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. I've been told that the ammo I'm using, yellow-tipped with a green lacquered steel case, isn't particularly accurate as it was manufactured for use in machine guns. I had to polish the chamber with bore paste and steel wool to get it to let go of the casings when the lacquer got hot. Better ammo would probably help a lot.
Before I put the bipod on I was getting 3" groups @ 100 yds propped up against a dead tree using surplus ammo. I'm hoping that the bipod will give me a little more accuracy but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. I've been told that the ammo I'm using, yellow-tipped with a green lacquered steel case, isn't particularly accurate as it was manufactured for use in machine guns. I had to polish the chamber with bore paste and steel wool to get it to let go of the casings when the lacquer got hot. Better ammo would probably help a lot.
How's that scope working for ya Jackal?
That looks like a scope mount and NCstar scope combo I got off Ebay. The problem I had was the scope I was sent didn't have the extended eye relief needed to be useful in a scout configuration. Did you end up with the same problem?
That looks like a scope mount and NCstar scope combo I got off Ebay. The problem I had was the scope I was sent didn't have the extended eye relief needed to be useful in a scout configuration. Did you end up with the same problem?
Texas Gunman
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I just picked up a like new m44 this past weekend (all matching numbers), not much into curios, but this one says it wanted to come home with me.
The seller did have another m44 sporterised, but it didnt appeal to me like the ole' war horse.
TG
The seller did have another m44 sporterised, but it didnt appeal to me like the ole' war horse.
TG
english kanigit
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I would've posted this yesterday but...
...Photoserver wasn't working.
Finnish Mosin M39, 1944 SAKO.
That isnt an original bayonet in the first picture though I do have one and she looks dead sexy...
ek
...Photoserver wasn't working.
Finnish Mosin M39, 1944 SAKO.
That isnt an original bayonet in the first picture though I do have one and she looks dead sexy...
ek
Cosmoline
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That's the spirit!
Cosmoline Please
Its not like I hacked a up a great colloctor.
It was a broken stock special from Centry. Hand gaurd broken and forend cap bent and broken.
Maybe I should have looked around for a $80-100 laminated stock to put on my $35 dollor broken stock special.
You would think since the post was about customized Mosins you wouldn't get so upset about a customized mosin.
Oh well. To each his own. It was a cheap fun project and shoots just fine.
You can call me "Buba" I don't mind.
jl
Its not like I hacked a up a great colloctor.
It was a broken stock special from Centry. Hand gaurd broken and forend cap bent and broken.
Maybe I should have looked around for a $80-100 laminated stock to put on my $35 dollor broken stock special.
You would think since the post was about customized Mosins you wouldn't get so upset about a customized mosin.
Oh well. To each his own. It was a cheap fun project and shoots just fine.
You can call me "Buba" I don't mind.
jl
R.W.Dale
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You really wanna see it?
monsternav
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Cosmoline
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You don't know what you don't know. I've got what's left of a VERY collectible M-27 sitting in the corner. The previous owner got it for cheap years ago and figured it was just a junky old war rifle. He set about trying to "improve" it. Barrel hacked, rear sight removed, crooked scope mount screwed on, stock turned into an abomination, etc. So now it really is a worthless POS, instead of a rare variant with no "D" stamp or importer mark. Like I said there *ARE* rare M-44's out there. Rare combinations of dates and makers, rare stocks and rare stamps.
But beyond collecting, it bothers me that so many rifle shooters try to hack and slash old warhorses into something like a modern post-war American scoped hunting rifle. They don't know how to use the irons, so they hack them off. They don't know how to use the straight bolt so off it goes. Just open your mind a bit and learn how to use these machines as they were designed.
Shooter or wall hanger.
I think it is a waste for a good rifle to hang on a wall or set in a safe.
I have many rifles. Most orignal, some "improved".
I shoot them all becuase it would be wrong not to.
I see nothing wrong with taking, U-fixems and broken stock rifles and making a good shooter out of them.
Byond- I like the looks of that. Great job.
I think it is a waste for a good rifle to hang on a wall or set in a safe.
I have many rifles. Most orignal, some "improved".
I shoot them all becuase it would be wrong not to.
I see nothing wrong with taking, U-fixems and broken stock rifles and making a good shooter out of them.
Byond- I like the looks of that. Great job.
Cosmoline,
I'm with jlacy, I think he made a fine working firearm out of an old broken one. I have nothing against collecting old war rifles, in fact I collect Mausers, but I have no problem at all with people taking old broken guns, or even older guns that would be more useful with a few upgrades, and improving them. In my case I wanted a project gun, so I bought a cheap m44 and started working on it. It wasn't anything rare or valuable, just collectible. The iron sights worked great, but I wanted a scope. The bright red wood stock was fine, but I wanted something weatherproof that wouldn't stand out in the woods. I didn't cut up the bolt because I couldn't use it, I cut it up because I needed a bent bolt to work under my scope mount and couldn't afford a new one.
Sure, Mosins are great just the way they are, but these custom ones are also great. Just different guns for different applications.
my $0.02
I'm with jlacy, I think he made a fine working firearm out of an old broken one. I have nothing against collecting old war rifles, in fact I collect Mausers, but I have no problem at all with people taking old broken guns, or even older guns that would be more useful with a few upgrades, and improving them. In my case I wanted a project gun, so I bought a cheap m44 and started working on it. It wasn't anything rare or valuable, just collectible. The iron sights worked great, but I wanted a scope. The bright red wood stock was fine, but I wanted something weatherproof that wouldn't stand out in the woods. I didn't cut up the bolt because I couldn't use it, I cut it up because I needed a bent bolt to work under my scope mount and couldn't afford a new one.
Sure, Mosins are great just the way they are, but these custom ones are also great. Just different guns for different applications.
my $0.02
Clipper
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Lighten up, Cosmo...
...The whole point (for me) of buying those old guns is to see just how nice a finished product I can turn some old POS into. I was impressed with the accuracy of the last sporterized Mosin I had, 20 years ago (3/4" 100-yard groups), but since decent sporting ammo cost $17.00/box then, I sold it. So now I'm contemplating another Sako or Remington to do my own work on, since I'll have my own mill, surface grinder & lathe to do it with...
...The whole point (for me) of buying those old guns is to see just how nice a finished product I can turn some old POS into. I was impressed with the accuracy of the last sporterized Mosin I had, 20 years ago (3/4" 100-yard groups), but since decent sporting ammo cost $17.00/box then, I sold it. So now I'm contemplating another Sako or Remington to do my own work on, since I'll have my own mill, surface grinder & lathe to do it with...
Cosmoline
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If you're talking about a modern Sako or Remington, more power to you. If you're talking about an M-91 or M-39, you'll just be destroying the rifle and its value. Look at the legion of boneheads who hacked up Garands and Springfield '03's in the past generation, assuming they'd always be cheap surplus rifles. Already the prices on intact American made Mosins is shooting up because so many were hacked. Besides which they're a piece of history.
You can buy an excellent used stainless m-77 for a few hundred bucks, and save yourself all that time and effort. Fifty years ago when bolt guns were hard to come by and expensive stateside, it made some sense to try to sporterize vintage military rifles into faux hunting rifles with bent bolts and scopes. But today it's a fool's work.
You can buy an excellent used stainless m-77 for a few hundred bucks, and save yourself all that time and effort. Fifty years ago when bolt guns were hard to come by and expensive stateside, it made some sense to try to sporterize vintage military rifles into faux hunting rifles with bent bolts and scopes. But today it's a fool's work.
Clipper
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...Yeah, I'm talking about Sako and Remington contract Mosins 
Cosmoline
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Why not hack up some CMP Garands while you're at it and make them into those kool "Tankers" with scope mounts screwed into the receiver. And painted black too! With rails up front. You can take that old POS Garand and make it into your own Super Kool SOCOM rifle
Please, if you really feel the need to chop things up do it to a rifle that's already been ruined or one with no historical value. There are plenty of parts gun 91/30's out there I don't cry too many tears over. But when you start cutting up laminated stocks or even worse slicing into Finns and American made Mosins you're really just screwing yourself and destroying important history.
Cosmoline
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I never said anything about sticking it on the wall. By all means use it. You can't hurt these rifles--UNLESS you start in with the hack saw. Shooting them, even shooting them a LOT, doesn't hurt them at all. Neither does taking them afield. They're tough customers. I just think you're doing yourself a disservice by trying to make these rifles into something you're familiar with instead of taking the time to learn how to shoot them on their terms.
For example, most American rifle shooters either never learned how to use iron sights properly or forgot long ago. If you leave the sights on the Mosin and leave the high powered scope on the Savage you can start to pick up this forgotten art. Particularly with an iron sight system like the M-39's, you begin to realize that you dont' have to be able to see a thing clearly to hit it square on the nose. You can also negate even long distances by learning how to use the tangents.
And most American rifle shooters learn how to shoot with a bent bolt rifle and to break the weld when they cycle. With these old war rifles, IF you leave them intact, you can learn to cycle the old way without breaking the weld and using your main arm muscles insead of your finger muscles. With an old Swede Mauser or SMLE you can get an amazing rate of fire going that way. And you start to see the advantages of straight bolt.
But if you hack and slash the old beasts into some scoped abomination that looks more like a Remchester, you'll never learn any of these things.
For example, most American rifle shooters either never learned how to use iron sights properly or forgot long ago. If you leave the sights on the Mosin and leave the high powered scope on the Savage you can start to pick up this forgotten art. Particularly with an iron sight system like the M-39's, you begin to realize that you dont' have to be able to see a thing clearly to hit it square on the nose. You can also negate even long distances by learning how to use the tangents.
And most American rifle shooters learn how to shoot with a bent bolt rifle and to break the weld when they cycle. With these old war rifles, IF you leave them intact, you can learn to cycle the old way without breaking the weld and using your main arm muscles insead of your finger muscles. With an old Swede Mauser or SMLE you can get an amazing rate of fire going that way. And you start to see the advantages of straight bolt.
But if you hack and slash the old beasts into some scoped abomination that looks more like a Remchester, you'll never learn any of these things.
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