show ur beretta cx4 storms

[swingset]

I didn't buy my Storm to go toe to toe with an M14, nor do I expect it to. Mine is a toy, but then nearly all my guns are.

However, it has tactical benefits for a defensive carbine and these are tangible and real if you chose to employ them.

1. It is lightweight, and as carbines go, small. Ergos are good, sights are good, controls are fast and intuitive. With rails, it has the ability to employ lasers, lights or even NV equipment in a head's up platform.

2. It shoots 9mm, commonly available, adequate for a defensive use. Also, a 40 and 45 version are coming if you feel the 9mm isn't up to the job. All three of these rounds, while not rifle rounds, also don't suffer the overpenetration problems of high power rounds in a home environment, something to consider. Shock and muzzle blast is also negligible, which plays into the team/cqb role.

3. The length of barrel does offer more velocity than a pistol of equal caliber.

4. Any carbine has an advantage over a pistol, in that the gun can be used as a weapon even empty. The Storm, while not a billy club, is solid enough to do more damage than a Glock if swung by its operator.


Personally, I wouldn't rely on the Storm for a home-defense gun when other guns fill the need, but if I had one and needed it in a home-defense scenario, I wouldn't hesitate to reach for it. It has a lot going for it.

And, oh yeah, it's fun.

 

[WhoKnowsWho]

When I am out shooting my Storm vs my Glock 9mm, I can hit my steel target 17 times without a problem in less time it takes for me to hit the target 10 times with the Glock. Hmm...

 

[swingset]

When I am out shooting my Storm vs my Glock 9mm, I can hit my steel target 17 times without a problem in less time it takes for me to hit the target 10 times with the Glock. Hmm...

Yeah, then there's that.

 

[Dbl0Kevin]

Firearms are simply tools, and as such you pays your money, and takes your choice. The difference between a poor, or proper (defensive) choice depends upon the tactical wisdom and gun-smarts of the buyer. Stack the odds in your favor.

And this right here just makes my point about taking things too far. The gun does not make the man. I will take any gun you give me no matter what caliber. As long as it 1. shoots when the trigger is pulled and 2. has good combat accuracy it will be plenty "tactical". No it may not have all the bells and whistles that I'm used to but I can guarantee you that I can use it just as effectively in a defense situation. "Tacticality" is 99% mindset and training and 1% gun and equipment.

And with that statement, it makes it difficult to further take you seriously. That kind of “tactical fantasy†continues to sell many, many different brands and styles of mouseguns. But all it is, is the very essence of what spawns new and like-minded comic books, video games and TV shows.

Sorry but you're the one with the "tactical fantasy" goin on here. I was illustrating a point that no one would want to be shot with a 9mm and then continue on in a gun fight. Since a lot of people around here seem to think it's such a puny cartridge. The point seems to have soared over your "tactical" head.

 

[BerettaNut92]

I didn't buy my Storm to go toe to toe with an M14, nor do I expect it to. Mine is a toy, but then nearly all my guns are.

Probably could with my former M1A before I sold it since all its toes kept falling off

 

[Rexzila]

Oy Vey! The 9mm approaches .357 velocities out of a 16 inch barrel. A 9mm is no .308, but in an urban environment it shines when range is not an issue. We can argue 9mm vs .223 till the cows come home. A 9mm is perfectly suitable for home defense. You are going to have a hard time convincing a District Attorney people were a threat to you 200 yards away unless they are packing some very heavy hardware. Most felons are using a 9mm or less in home/hostage scenerios. A guy armed with a Storm has an advantage over a felon with just a handgun. Many countries use 9mm MP5s for secret service duty,etc. There is a reason for that choice. I do think a P-90 H&K is even a better choice but that is not available to civilians.

 

[Correia]

MODERATOR HAT ON:

Gentlemen,

Chill out. Take a deep breath. Sure, you have the right to call somebody names, but be prepared to loose your posting privledges and be banned from THR if you do so.

Enough of this garbage.

 

[jem375]

double0kevin......in the first place, offhand is not resting the gun on an ammo box....at that distance you should be able to shoot decent groups with a 9MM....you can't outshoot an ar15 at any distance with the storm..

 

[Dbl0Kevin]

in the first place, offhand is not resting the gun on an ammo box

Well I wouldn't exactly call putting my elbow on a gunbox a "rested position" so in the interests of being forthright I explained it. Secondly I had my AR with me that very day and it was not grouping nearly as well as the Storm was. Either way it's a negligable difference for combat accuracy.

 

[yesterdaysyouth]

you can't outshoot an ar15 at any distance with the storm..

must be something wrong with your storm then...

 

[jem375]

??...bring money....

 

[Strings]

Well... I haven't done added any spectacular toys to mine (getting the top rail and a reddot for it soon). DID cook up a stock mounted dual mag pouch though. And next, the single-point sling...

 

[BerettaNut92]

YOU GUYS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nail some steel plates in the name of the Skunk

 

[itgoesboom]

It may not be the ideal defense firearm, but it sure beats a pointy stick.

I have yet to be able to get my wife to shoot any of my rifles or shotguns, since they intimidate her. She is very recoil and noise sensitive, so even an AR probably would be alittle intimidating for her.

But that Beretta Storm seems like it would be perfect for her. 15-30 rounds of 9mm in a compact, easy to shoot design, with .357 ballistics.

Not to mention, I think it would be a blast to shoot.

I.G.B.

 

[KaceCoyote]

Its better to be proficcient with a firearm, even if its deficient in some areas. I would wager somone who spends alot've time behind saiga in whatever caliber can shoot circles around some snob who spends all of his time researching whicch guns are more tactical rather than shooting.


People have been, and will continue to be shot and killed with 9mm from a myriad of carbines. Please, if you have much trigger time behind the storm then tell me exactly why its less tactical then lets say a SUB-2000 or a Hi point in 9mm? These are comparable pistol caliber carbines, both of which have been and will continue to be employed successfully in home defence. All you need to do, is hit a target at close range in very familar territory. You dont need to put 30rnds into them and then stab them repeatedly with your fixed bayonet before burning their flesh off with your tactical ultra bright tactical light...this is of course before your glock 21 comes out to finish the job.


Simple job, many answers. Very few are wrong. Enjoy your Storms guys, and may it serve you well.

 

[Snowdog]

Do those come in cream-popsicle orange

and in .357sig?

I do believe I'd like one of those.

 

[NineseveN]

Not saying this is anybody here, but sometimes when people show up to puke on threads like this, they're usually the same people that have a FAL Carbine in .308 next to their bed for home defense (or a shorty AR). Most (I mean, like 98% would be my guess) have never shot that particular firearm indoors without hearing protection (are you really going to have time or enough wits to grab your muffs or plugs when your life is in danger?).

Some things to realize:

1. A rifle caliber in a short barrel config is going to knock your noggin around something awful with muzzle blast, sound pressure and muzzle flash. Try shooting that ultra tactical AR or "whateverriflecaliberthingie" down your hallway at 3AM after being woken up by a home invasion. You might get one good shot off before your nervous system is in sheer hell. If the concussion doesn't make you crap yourself, then you're the man, really.

2. If firepower is your main concern (ignoring capacity, report, flash etc...) then grab a 12guage. Not nearly as quick and handy as a carbine, but in the case that your head is fuzzy after the first shot, you just need to be in the general direction in most cases. Pick your shot load according to the dimensions and choke points inside your home/domicile.

3. The AR, FAL or whatever is more likely to penetrate the outside of your domicile and injure an unintended and innocent person. While in an all-out war with aliens/terrorists/JBTs etc... this would not pose a problem, I doubt we'll see that situation.

4. In the more likely scenario of someone breaking into your home (home invasion or whatnot) rounds striking your neighbors is a very real and dangerous issue. You will go to jail. You will likely feel terrible that you killed or hurt someone that had nothing to do with whatever was going on in your house because you thought your tricked-out battle rifle or assault rifle was the ultimate home defense weapon.

In this role and given the most likely scenario, pistol power carbines are excellent choices. They don't beat you up indoors as much as rifle power carbines. They're just as handy, usually lighter and offer mag interchangeability with your sidearm in some cases.

Granted, this is coming from a guy with 2 FALs (my favorite rifles), a VEPR (semi-close second favorite), a Saiga, a few handguns and a 22 Rifle who does not own a pistol power carbine...of course, my 12guage sleeps right next to me.

With that all being said, I like the Storms you folks have been posting. I might have to get one.


Buy what you like, enjoy the hell out of it. Be real. Cheers.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

Any longarm is more shootable than any pistol. that's justification right there for the storm.

 

[Hoploholic]

Amen Andrew and they are just darned fun to boot!

 

[Aaron C]

How much are those things going for? Im actually interested in one now that I've read all this pro/con banter. Sounds like a good choice for home defense. I'd like it even better in .40 though but heck there's nothin wrong with 9mm.

Remember, Terminator used a 9mm!

 

[Chuck Jennings]

OOOH! I forgot about the storm. Hopefully there will be some good new 30 round mags coming out!!