SHTF Rifle

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Remington 700 ADL in .270 versatile enough?
I've seen quality ammo for it cheap enough?
I was thinking buying one and stockpiling as my end all rifle.
This is that ADL with the pretty wood stocks they all used to come with.
 
Probably not

if you want to make it out of Houston alive! Once you get out into west Texas, a .270 bolt rifle may cut it, but the trick is to survive to get out there.

Or move there today.
 
Any rifle in a serviceable caliber that you learn to shoot and care for is a good SHTF rifle. One doesn't need an AR15AKetc.

Sounds to me like a great SHTF gun. About the only think I would want on it is some form of iron sights as well as the scope.

Chris
 
Can you mak rapid hits at close range (less than 50 yards)? That's the problem with scoped bolt guns, IMO. I would take a lever 30-30 over a scoped bolt gun any day if someone had ill intent towards me.

But, it would depend on your skill level. If you are the ace with that rifle, it probably is your best choice.
 
What about an M1A/M14 with about 20, 20 round mags and a good .45acp as a back up with about 4 13 round mags to go with the handgun. And your wife beside you with an Ar-15 with 14 30 round mags. And the equipment to carry it all.;)
 
Lever action rifle, surplus military bolt gun, or military style semi-auto. The cheap route would be the military surplus type rifle...SKS, Mosin, K31, Enfield, Mauser, M1 Garand and the like.
 
If you want total compatability with every military and/or sporting round you're likely to encounter, you'll have too many weapons to carry.:(

My suggestions, and they're worth about what you paid for them because we all have our own situations and our own thoughts on those situations...

5.56x45/.223Rem.- Ruger M77 or Mini-14 (and I can already hear the groans from the AR guys).

7.62x39- CZ carbine (I forget the model#) or your choice of AK variants.

7.62NATO, .30-06, or 8mmMauser- M14, M1 Garand, 1903/03A3, K98k, VZ-24 or some sort of Yugo Mauser.

Now, considering that .270 is Jack O'Connor's pet deal, it's probably another sporting ammo you'll find on most shelves most places. However, you have to wonder how many others have the same idea. Same goes for commercial .30-06, .30-30, .243, and several others I'd pick as well as a whole bunch of stuff I wouldn't pick that some guys ten years younger would pick.
 
Easy choice AR-15. The last thing I would bring to a firefight would be a bolt action. As far as keeping iron sights, anything I have scoped is on Weaver mounts so I can still use my irons. Think about this the .270 is a good round but #1 not as common as other available calibers, and #2 too heavy to carry a good load. IMO .223 Remington is the best choice caliber it is readily available, accurate enough for most needs, and light weight. And by the way I dont groan when I here Mini-14 it is a fine rifle not my first choice but a fine rifle.
 
Loving Wife has her M1 carbine w/hp loads, middle son has a AR15, oldest son his M1 Garand, and me with my M1 Garand (308). Have combat belts pre loaded w/ammo, med kits, canteens, bayonets. Also havs a spare rifle, a #1 M3 Enfield with the same acessories.:neener:

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
 
Sweet, I've been waiting for years for someone to finally make this thread. At last, we can discuss what rifle we would pick for SHTF. Without further diversion....

I think a 270 bolt action with a small magazine is probably the wrong type of gun for SHTF. I would personally be most worried about people attacking me at relatively close ranges to take my food/water/fuel. So it needs to be something relatively compact with a high magazine capacity. And capable of taking deer sized or smaller game if I get hungry for meat.

I picked the AK, though any similar gun in a comparable caliber would suffice. A FAL, saiga 308 or CETME would also work. As would a long-barrelled M16 or even an M1 carbine.
 
+1 on that .357 lever / revolver combo suggestion. You get a reliable and powerful sidearm that you can conceal or use as a backup to the long arm, and a reliable long arm that has lots of power and decent range, and has the best repeating speed after a semi-auto...all in the same cartridge. That is key. You can minimize variables, and thus spend more money and effort on stockpiling MORE when you simplify.

If you hate revolvers and levers...you can substitute .357 with 9mm, and do a semi-auto 9mm carbine, with a semi-auto 9mm pistol combo. Not as powerful or reliable, but just as good practically speaking. One big advantage is that 9mm is going to be, without a doubt, the absolute most likely easy to find cartridge of them all. Much more so than .357. That's in theory....


However....


I don't know if I am so convinced anymore about maintaining ammunition compatibility with society. Ammunition compatibility between personally owned firearms is a good idea on the basis that you have only 1 thing to carry and weight is a huge concern...but thinking about what will/won't be available outside of my immediate possession is something I no longer plan for. It is pointless, here is why.


In any SHTF, even minor ones...the ammo FLIES off the shelves. If it doesn't it will be quickly stolen/looted in the aftermath. We have testimony of this from Katrina victims right here on THR. Forget about ever seeing a single ROUND of ammo in any store within 600 miles. That means the ONLY source for ammo, is either stealing it, looting it, or picking it off a dead body (or maybe bartering for it). Stealing/looting it is not a good idea as that makes you a badguy, and it is dangerous. Finding it on a dead body isn't likely to happen, as in most realistic SHTF scenarios..you won't be encountering enough dead bodies to where there will be enough of them so that the odds have it that the one you stumble upon has ammo and in your caliber. Furthermore, whoever made that body dead in the first place probably looted the wallet/money/weapons. The only other way, is if YOU are the one who makes that body dead. That means you would have been in a firefight with an armed adversary. Not likely to happen. And if it does..what are the chances it is the same cartridge as yours? Would you even want to use their ammo? Who knows where it came from or what condition it is in? Is it some garbage reloads with a misfire or a kaboom in the waiting? Will it jam your firearm? I know what many people are thinking...they want ammo compatible with what the JBT's will be using so they can pry it off their corpses after a successful ambush -- to that I say you've got an interesting SHTF strategy :uhoh:


So in short - scavanging of ammo is not likely, not safe, and not a good idea even if you can do it.


Thus, pick any cartridge, even if slightly less popular...and stock pile it to satisfy your needs.


That being said, the .270 isn't a bad idea from an ammo availability perspective. Although, I'd prefer something with better rapid fire capability than a bolt-action. Rule #1 - be PREpared. That means before the disaster. If you wait, even till the week of an incoming disaster (like a hurricane)..you're out of time as people are buying things up, and if it isn't bought up, the owners employees will take it, and if they don't take it - they'll hide it or move it so it doesn't get stolen or looted. If the disaster has no warning...you're S.O.L. The #1 worst strategy is to assume that you'll be able to find resources (medicine, ammo, food, water) during or after the disaster.


Me personally? What would I choose as the ultimate SHTF rifle...given that I'll stock up my own ammo - the best choice would clearly be an AK-74. The pure robust/reliable nature of the AK, but with the much lighter ammo, mags. Practically speaking, more effective than pistol caliber carbines, as practically effective as a 7.62x39...but lighter. Can take game with it, can take out gangs of thugs. Perfect. Too bad 5.45 is simply not available to even stockpile. The other option would be a .223 AK, but one with 100% native 30rd .223 magazines made specifically for that rifle. Not converts or workarounds. Either option should have tritium irons as a must. Above that, you could add reddot, that is optional.
 
What? That's your SHTF gun?

You're going to die horribly!

The zombies are coming tomorrow en masse, you are so screwed.

I kid, I kid... I believe in the concept of the SHTF gun as much as anyone, but my question to the original poster is if something bad does go down, do you have your other supplies ready, do you have a plan, and once you get all that squared away does your choice of firearm meet the requirements you'll likely have if the proverbial SHTF?

Without context, the SHTF discussions are either light hearted fun or just silly speculation or both. Nothing wrong with that of course.
 
I've used many rifles and handguns, not getting any younger, my thoughts on a shtf rifle/carbine is a AR15.

Their light weight & very accurate and dependable,user friendly, also Im able to tote more ammo.

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Here one of my favorite ARs, this is the one used the most, it also in 1/7 twist.

TG
 
I'm agreeing with Don't Tread On Me.

Here's another thing... if you get on out into West Texas before the next big one hits, you're dealing with longer shooting distances and you're probably dealing more with hunting to eat than than with urban/suburban firefights. If you can, I'd suggest taking your .270 bolt action and stocking up on both factory ammo and reloading equipment/components. Keep yourself in good brass and good components and you can keep in ammo for a long time.
 
Here's the thing though...if you're bugging out..it's not like you can take a reloading press with components with you (unless you have a tactical assault wheelbarrow :neener: lol, sorry - couldn't resist, for those of you who remember Gunkid)


Euclidean shares a VERY good point with us. What is your plan? Bug out or bug in makes a huge, huge difference in firearm selection. Second to that, if you bug out..the #1 priority is water/food as well as what you'll be wearing/carrying. Is the firearm component compatible with the SHTF plan? If you are going to carry a huge backpack...how much will it weigh? How much room on your body do you have?

SHTF ties in survivialism and all kinds of other issues and strategies. All the different choices and plans are interconnected with one another in respects to how you will forumlate your gear - which includes a firearm.

This makes firearm selection and caliber selection very much secondary to other factors which will set parameters and limits to what you can do firearm wise.


In most of our THR shtf rifle threads...we often do these threads from the context that the firearm is heavily prioritized and focused on vs. other pieces of the SHTF puzzle. On survivalist forums, firearms are all included in 1 simple section and gain far less attention.


Where I live - there will be NO survivialism. Not the kind that turns you into a live-off-the-land mountain man/hunter. Not going to happen. That's a romanticized view many have. If you're in Montana or Alaska - sure. Not in Florida. You will live off of what you've got and what you can protect (and what you can steal if that's what it comes down to). It is suburbia here, and even in the "rural" areas of Florida..it isn't that rural compared to parts of the country where you won't encounter others for great distances. Civilization is always nearby. Therefore, "social encounters" will be a much more likely event, and there will be a greater dependence on firearm defense and use.
 
Here's the thing though...if you're bugging out..it's not like you can take a reloading press with components with you (unless you have a tactical assault wheelbarrow lol, sorry - couldn't resist, for those of you who remember Gunkid)

I remember Gunkid too.:D On this hypothetical reality though, I said that about the reloading press and components thinking of having that stuff stored securely in a location you plan to bug out to. That's about the only way I see to make that work, but that assumes somebody's able to have an alternate location well in advance. But what fun is having your rifle/press/components if you can't work up loads and shoot and generally enjoy your stuff before that happens? No fun at all. Least it wouldn't be for me.

Where I live - there will be NO survivialism. Not the kind that turns you into a live-off-the-land mountain man/hunter. Not going to happen. That's a romanticized view many have. If you're in Montana or Alaska - sure. Not in Florida. You will live off of what you've got and what you can protect (and what you can steal if that's what it comes down to). It is suburbia here, and even in the "rural" areas of Florida..it isn't that rural compared to parts of the country where you won't encounter others for great distances. Civilization is always nearby. Therefore, "social encounters" will be a much more likely event, and there will be a greater dependence on firearm defense and use.

That's why I said...
...we all have our own situations and our own thoughts on those situations...

We all either think in hypothetical fantasies or figure what seems like it'll work where we are. I try to figure what'll work wherever I'm likely to be, but if we don't figure in some mutant ninja zombie action, these threads probably won't be interesting much less fun.
 
Yeah, I see your point. I've thought about the alternate location thing - but if society breaks down even slightly, travel will be near impossible on most roads.


Right now, my plan is a bug in plan. I will stick it out, hold my ground. The best thing I can do is get lots of water and canned food, then defend from zombie psycho-thugs till society gets back into line in some shape or form where I can begin acquiring assistance. I do have a little faith in society. We are a social species and we do group together for needs if the conditions are right. The problem is, there's always chaos initially before things settle down.


In short, my plan is for a short-term SHTF (up to a month, maybe 2 tops). I have no real long-term SHTF plan.

My 1st goal was to load up on plenty of defensive firearms that can handle any potential situation (within reason of course). One requirement is to be able to engage multiple (2 or more) armed threats at once. That requires a semi-auto with high capacity like an AK or AR. We're talking like a mini-Mogadishu (ha! I love to exaggerate, but it's fun). Or a gang-assault type situation like the L.A. Riots where you have dozens of violent, raging marauders who randomly assault and victimize anyone in their path. Or, some situation where you get a small group of violent thugs who have chosen to victimize you for your supplies. Either that, or mass violence has migrated through your location and you're caught in the middle of it - but you're not necessarily targeted.

It will not be that bad in all likelyhood, so if the rifle can produce (whether I can is a totally different subject), then that is step 1. Because if a rifle can't produce, then you can't produce, no matter what your skill level is.

Of course, a situation like that would be terribly unfortunate, and even with the best gear and preparation - survival is not a guarantee. Which is why SHTF scenarios will be sad times...


Truth is, the sound of gunfire is loud and it almost always causes heads to duck and people to scatter/run. When have you ever seen people run TOWARDS gunfire (battles aside)? I've heard a gunshot go off in public (Ybor)..people scatter and run. Like cockroaches when the light is turned on. No one is stupid enough to head in the direction of gunfire.


The same will likely hold true in a SHTF. The 1st shot will likely deter the looter, as what you've got that they want is not worth their life. That might not be true for a long-term SHTF where someone might be trying to kill you and loot you so their children can eat, or some other need that makes their acts selfless and thus they aren't scared to die.
 
Long term is another reason you should try to be on good terms with your neighbors if possible. I am in a neighborhood. I might be able to hole up in my house, but I have to sleep. If a neighborhood watch was able to keep things under control, things would be much more comfortable.
 
I live in small town in Florida

My SHTF plan is we all band together and shoot the snot out of any looters coming up the highway from Tampa, 40 miles away. There is sufficient firepower here and in the county seat to keep things under control. I try to keep a thousand rounds of ammunition type for which I have a weapon. I just acquired a 30/30 lever action and I have only managed to accumulate 100 rounds for it, but I have a thousand rounds of .40, 30-06, .30 HP, and .38/.357.
 
Here in NC the two big ones would be hurricanes and icestorms. The last major one was an icestorm that knocked the power out for two weeks and even a hurricane with a direct hit before hasn't done that much damage apart from taking down some trees and some house damage.

There might be an economical collapse convined with some big natural disasters and it might bring it into a shtf situration when I am in rather good condition here. We have jarred food, a garden, access to hunting areas that sees a lot of food around here, a fresh water spring and enough woods to provide heat and cooking and emergency supplies.

We simply just not going to run into a big city situration where everyone is trapped but if such did happen and a massive combined force its unlikely to find new ammunation, lots of cleaning supplies and stuff so I tend to go with what works well and requires little maintenance. That would be probrobly one of my Lee Enfields giving me an accurate pretty much unbreakable firearm that I can use to take down larger animals and keep people away. The other handy ones are an ak47 or sks and of course a nice light .22 carbine and shotgun usually spread out between both myself and wife and probrobly my mother in law too since she lives in the property next door. I perfer the first one simply from having great trust in the design and much shooting experience with the design.
 
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