Valkman
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Never know when you may have to pass out a few thousand rounds to friends! I don't think I have 10k rounds total but I'll git to loadin' and fix that! 
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rayra
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Watched the '91 L.A. Riots from a comfortable 30mi distance, on TV.
Heard much about the '92 post-Hurricane Andrew mess from a good friend with family in Homestead.
Was right on top of the '94 Northridge quake (block SW of the apartments where most of the dead were) and was caught completely flat-footed by it - little disaster supplies, NO gas.
2001 (post Y2K scare) was a great time to buy affordable polypropylene storage containers / barrels / jugs.
Now there are earthquake supplies sealed / stored by the pool equipment out back. large amount of canned food / fluids in the pantries, mini-BOB in the cars, my cars are never under a 1/4 tank, my dual-tank pickup always has one full, and there are 10gal kept at home. And a modest second/vacation home in the Sierras, with some add'l ammo and moderate supplies.
Accumulating a few spare hand tools is easy, who doesn't like buying new tools, bump the old ones to the kit.
Spare clothes / shoes, also easy.
Costco makes bulk food stores easy, once you've built up your stocks, just remember to eat the old stuff first.
(shrug) I had enough of MREs in the Marines, I'll be damned if I choose to buy them.
Nothing really oddball in my supplies, all of it is useful. I've only got two major SHTF scenarios - another major natural disaster, or a mega terror attack on L.A. - but if that comes, I'm far enough on the fringe, and on the north side of Greater L.A., that I'll survive such a thing and get the hell out (and to the mountains).
Ammo? Don't have 1000 rds for any firearm, but plenty variety in firearms so the total is still not small.
Heard much about the '92 post-Hurricane Andrew mess from a good friend with family in Homestead.
Was right on top of the '94 Northridge quake (block SW of the apartments where most of the dead were) and was caught completely flat-footed by it - little disaster supplies, NO gas.
2001 (post Y2K scare) was a great time to buy affordable polypropylene storage containers / barrels / jugs.
Now there are earthquake supplies sealed / stored by the pool equipment out back. large amount of canned food / fluids in the pantries, mini-BOB in the cars, my cars are never under a 1/4 tank, my dual-tank pickup always has one full, and there are 10gal kept at home. And a modest second/vacation home in the Sierras, with some add'l ammo and moderate supplies.
Accumulating a few spare hand tools is easy, who doesn't like buying new tools, bump the old ones to the kit.
Spare clothes / shoes, also easy.
Costco makes bulk food stores easy, once you've built up your stocks, just remember to eat the old stuff first.
(shrug) I had enough of MREs in the Marines, I'll be damned if I choose to buy them.
Nothing really oddball in my supplies, all of it is useful. I've only got two major SHTF scenarios - another major natural disaster, or a mega terror attack on L.A. - but if that comes, I'm far enough on the fringe, and on the north side of Greater L.A., that I'll survive such a thing and get the hell out (and to the mountains).
Ammo? Don't have 1000 rds for any firearm, but plenty variety in firearms so the total is still not small.
Hm. Loads of interesting replies.
Here's a simple one: The easiest way that any prospective repressive government could have to restrict the weaponry of it's citizen's isn't to ban guns - it's to ban the ammunition that goes in them.
Arguably, it's easier to seize and destroy the rounds themselves than the weapons that fire them. Making 5.56mm rounds "Military Use Only" would render useless one heck of a lot of the more effective SHTF-grade weaponry lying around. Saying "Well, 7.62's un-American. Let's ban that, too." would be an easy step.
I'm not saying it's likely - I'm saying it could happen. Even here in the Peepul's Republik of Tony, I've got my own little BOB for that very reason. Anyone who's seen British football yobs en masse can probably understand why. Heck, I'd be a lot happer with ten-grand of semijacket that I could lay hand on, instead of the rudiments that I can feasably keep in the house.
In short, Moparmike: "Why would you keep 10k rounds in the house against the SHTF"?
"In the hope of never needing them".
Here's a simple one: The easiest way that any prospective repressive government could have to restrict the weaponry of it's citizen's isn't to ban guns - it's to ban the ammunition that goes in them.
Arguably, it's easier to seize and destroy the rounds themselves than the weapons that fire them. Making 5.56mm rounds "Military Use Only" would render useless one heck of a lot of the more effective SHTF-grade weaponry lying around. Saying "Well, 7.62's un-American. Let's ban that, too." would be an easy step.
I'm not saying it's likely - I'm saying it could happen. Even here in the Peepul's Republik of Tony, I've got my own little BOB for that very reason. Anyone who's seen British football yobs en masse can probably understand why. Heck, I'd be a lot happer with ten-grand of semijacket that I could lay hand on, instead of the rudiments that I can feasably keep in the house.
In short, Moparmike: "Why would you keep 10k rounds in the house against the SHTF"?
"In the hope of never needing them".
Joe Demko
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I base my calculations on a 10k rounds per man per weapon per day minimum. Remember, TSHTF is all about shooting people.
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Heraclitus
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As far as attitudes go, Americans fall somewhere within the vast nebulous region dividing Union Admiral David Farragut and literary stalwart Ambrose Bierce... (both Americans, contemporary with eachother, and experienced in the worst SHTF situations of their time.).
"Damn the torpedoes!" (What they used to call mines during the Civil War) and "Nothing matters."
Truth is, as far as people need be concerned, s*** has been hitting the fan at a constant rate since the Toba pot boiled over, 70K ago. And it probably will for another 70K, if we make it that far.
Which means that it's probably a good idea to stock up...
right now...
within reason...
just in case!
Errr... can anyone define "reason"?
"Damn the torpedoes!" (What they used to call mines during the Civil War) and "Nothing matters."
Truth is, as far as people need be concerned, s*** has been hitting the fan at a constant rate since the Toba pot boiled over, 70K ago. And it probably will for another 70K, if we make it that far.
Which means that it's probably a good idea to stock up...
right now...
within reason...
just in case!
Errr... can anyone define "reason"?
Heraclitus
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By the way, and in case anyone wonders about my signature, "Strife is Justice" does not imply "War is Good" (Amazing how much can be lost in the translation.). Rather, it should be read as:
Contrary forces are at the very core of Nature
or
Opposites must oppose, or S will really HTF.
Newton would have understood.
Contrary forces are at the very core of Nature
or
Opposites must oppose, or S will really HTF.
Newton would have understood.
Chip Dixon
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10k is a reasonable stockpile for your sidearm of choice. (along with some common spare parts and toolkit for the gun)
When it comes to AK (or other close range rifle spray gun) ammo, 10k is only a start. You should have much more than that.
10k sounds about right for 12 gauge shotshells, too.
I'd say within reason means you're not endangering the stability of your house by stacking too much weight in any one place.
Can you imagine the value of your ammo stockpile of the S did HTF? Priceless is the word that comes to my mind. I'm sure the psychopaths and looters would choose a different house if they saw me chilling on my roof with a couple AKs and a stack of 30 round mags 10 feet high. If not, having a stockpile would mean having to use a few mags of ammo wouldn't leave me vulnerable. If I only had 1000 or so rounds, that would be a big deal.
Best Regards,
Chip Dixon
When it comes to AK (or other close range rifle spray gun) ammo, 10k is only a start. You should have much more than that.
10k sounds about right for 12 gauge shotshells, too.
I'd say within reason means you're not endangering the stability of your house by stacking too much weight in any one place.
Can you imagine the value of your ammo stockpile of the S did HTF? Priceless is the word that comes to my mind. I'm sure the psychopaths and looters would choose a different house if they saw me chilling on my roof with a couple AKs and a stack of 30 round mags 10 feet high. If not, having a stockpile would mean having to use a few mags of ammo wouldn't leave me vulnerable. If I only had 1000 or so rounds, that would be a big deal.
Best Regards,
Chip Dixon
Chip Dixon
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well, that all depends on the gun.
But, I'd say atleast a firing pin, set of sights, a couple sets of springs, extractor, ejector, barrel, and anything else that isn't forged steel except the frame would be prudent. There's plenty of mail-order places on the internet that sell just about everything, and for cheap.
Hell, everything short of another frame is usually a good idea. If you can have an actual backup gun for your sidearm of choice (and corresponding ammo stockpile) that is ideal, along with the spare parts. Make sure you have all the needed vices, small screwdrivers, etc. to disassemble and reassemble your gun correctly.
This is why I suggest buying guns you love in pairs. Then you'll always have the gun, even if you're working on its brother. Besides, it's hard to have just one 1911.
But, I'd say atleast a firing pin, set of sights, a couple sets of springs, extractor, ejector, barrel, and anything else that isn't forged steel except the frame would be prudent. There's plenty of mail-order places on the internet that sell just about everything, and for cheap.
Hell, everything short of another frame is usually a good idea. If you can have an actual backup gun for your sidearm of choice (and corresponding ammo stockpile) that is ideal, along with the spare parts. Make sure you have all the needed vices, small screwdrivers, etc. to disassemble and reassemble your gun correctly.
This is why I suggest buying guns you love in pairs. Then you'll always have the gun, even if you're working on its brother. Besides, it's hard to have just one 1911.
ctdonath
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My feeling is that if things go south we will have some warning and I will stock up.
"Some warning" amounts to three possible timeframes:
- Slowly (weeks/months/years; "boiled frog"). ... now why do you think some people here have 10K rounds? are you scoffing or stocking up too?
- Quickly (a few days; "Hurricane Andrew"). ...you and 300,000,000 of your closest friends drop into Wal-Mart for supplies. Store sells out in minutes as everyone goes to "beat the rush" but don't.
- Instantly (no warning; "LA Riots", "The Big One"). ...IF you get the the store, the staff decides maybe they'll hang onto it all for their families.
"Some warning" amounts to three possible timeframes:
- Slowly (weeks/months/years; "boiled frog"). ... now why do you think some people here have 10K rounds? are you scoffing or stocking up too?
- Quickly (a few days; "Hurricane Andrew"). ...you and 300,000,000 of your closest friends drop into Wal-Mart for supplies. Store sells out in minutes as everyone goes to "beat the rush" but don't.
- Instantly (no warning; "LA Riots", "The Big One"). ...IF you get the the store, the staff decides maybe they'll hang onto it all for their families.
One of everything!
"Honest, honey, it's not a new gun, it's just my spare parts kit," I said as I ducked.
,she replied.On ammo, 5K per MBR, 500 to 1K per sidearm, and 200 per hunting rifle.
.22 LR? You can't have too much.
David
SP - (No, I didn't get the letters backwards, it stands for Shameless Plug.) If you haven't read Lights Out , you should. It will give you an idea of why you should stockpile. If you say, "It's just fiction." A jumbo jet being used as a weapon was fiction in Clancy's Debt of Honor until 9/11!
That seems a bit excessive to me. That would have to be a really extended, nasty situation.
On the other hand, I don't really see what it hurts. Ammo can be stored for a very long time.
1000 rounds once seemed to be a lot of ammo to me. However, ammo is cheaper by the case, and in a fun day of shooting practice you can go through a lot of ammo.
Right now I don't likely have more than 500 - 600 rounds total at home, which means I really need to order more of several different calibers.
Maybe that person just likes to collect ammo, and the SHTF stash is just an excuse. Collecting stacks of ammo is no more crazy than many other common hobbies. I mean, at least ammo has a use. What do people do with all those beanie babies?
Mornard
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Another reason
I just have a psychological need to have more on hand, for each caliber, (29, to date) and gauge, (6) than I feel I may ever be able to use up, for whatever purpose. I just hate to be caught short. The actual amount depends on the caliber. Natcherly I need more .308, (a few thousand rounds is minimum, and always looking for a good buy on more) than I do .375 H&H or .458 Win Mag.
When my son and I go out for a fun day with the FNFAL and SKSs or AKs, etc. a couple hundred rounds is a moderate plinking session.
But then, I feel the same way about T-bones and venison tenderloin - can't stand to be caught short...
I just have a psychological need to have more on hand, for each caliber, (29, to date) and gauge, (6) than I feel I may ever be able to use up, for whatever purpose. I just hate to be caught short. The actual amount depends on the caliber. Natcherly I need more .308, (a few thousand rounds is minimum, and always looking for a good buy on more) than I do .375 H&H or .458 Win Mag.
When my son and I go out for a fun day with the FNFAL and SKSs or AKs, etc. a couple hundred rounds is a moderate plinking session.
But then, I feel the same way about T-bones and venison tenderloin - can't stand to be caught short...
Shawn1
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St. George Tucker, a lawyer and a Revolutionary War militia officer, legal scholar, and later a U.S. District Court Judge said:
"This may be considered as the true paladium of liberty...The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Whenever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annhilated, is on the brink of destruction."
"This may be considered as the true paladium of liberty...The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Whenever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annhilated, is on the brink of destruction."
The Real Hawkeye
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WBAL-TV/July 2, 2003
Baltimore -- A late Wednesday afternoon raid in a south Baltimore neighborhood turned up dozens of guns and enough equipment to manufacture more weapons.
Lovell Arthur Wheeler, 60, was arrested and charged on numerous firearms charges Wednesday. Baltimore City police detective Donny Moses said Wheeler was charged with reckless endangerment and numerous firearms and explosives violations. He said additional charges are pending after further analysis of items seized from the house.
WBAL-TV 11 News reporter Jeff Pegues said Tuesday night that police want to know why the man was making so many guns, but one neighbor said Wheeler has ties to Aryan Nation groups and had bragged about starting a race war.
WBAL-TV 11 News I-Team reporter David Collins reported Wednesday that police filled a dump truck with weapons in various stages of assembly. Police seized 14 rifles, eight handguns and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition, Collins said. Authorities said it is not illegal to make weapons in Maryland.
But investigators are most concerned about 80 pounds of gunpowder they found improperly stored in the man's rowhouse. According to charging documents, the gunpowder was found in bleach bottles, paint thinner cans and antifreeze containers. The documents also stated that if that much gunpowder were to explode, it could possibly destroy the home, neighbors' houses and would cause many casualties.
"One of the officers made a statement saying if there was a war he knows whose house he was coming to for protection," neighbor Carroll Zielinski said.
Wheeler was arrested Tuesday at a plastics products plant where he now works, Collins reported. Detectives said they found six high-velocity rounds in his pocket, matching more than 1,000 others found at his home. Neighbors who live near the home said the man in custody was not shy about talking about his hatred for minorities. But another neighbor says the woman who lives in the home was more concerned about another terrorist attack.
"There was going to be a revolution ... and he was well prepared for it, against anybody that's not white," Zielinski said.
He "talked about complex economic ideas of how the government was messing up and that the economy will crumble and the system will collapse, but it never matched up with a lot of weapons in there," neighbor Erik Sanderson said.
Wheeler is being held on $2 million bond.
Baltimore -- A late Wednesday afternoon raid in a south Baltimore neighborhood turned up dozens of guns and enough equipment to manufacture more weapons.
Lovell Arthur Wheeler, 60, was arrested and charged on numerous firearms charges Wednesday. Baltimore City police detective Donny Moses said Wheeler was charged with reckless endangerment and numerous firearms and explosives violations. He said additional charges are pending after further analysis of items seized from the house.
WBAL-TV 11 News reporter Jeff Pegues said Tuesday night that police want to know why the man was making so many guns, but one neighbor said Wheeler has ties to Aryan Nation groups and had bragged about starting a race war.
WBAL-TV 11 News I-Team reporter David Collins reported Wednesday that police filled a dump truck with weapons in various stages of assembly. Police seized 14 rifles, eight handguns and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition, Collins said. Authorities said it is not illegal to make weapons in Maryland.
But investigators are most concerned about 80 pounds of gunpowder they found improperly stored in the man's rowhouse. According to charging documents, the gunpowder was found in bleach bottles, paint thinner cans and antifreeze containers. The documents also stated that if that much gunpowder were to explode, it could possibly destroy the home, neighbors' houses and would cause many casualties.
"One of the officers made a statement saying if there was a war he knows whose house he was coming to for protection," neighbor Carroll Zielinski said.
Wheeler was arrested Tuesday at a plastics products plant where he now works, Collins reported. Detectives said they found six high-velocity rounds in his pocket, matching more than 1,000 others found at his home. Neighbors who live near the home said the man in custody was not shy about talking about his hatred for minorities. But another neighbor says the woman who lives in the home was more concerned about another terrorist attack.
"There was going to be a revolution ... and he was well prepared for it, against anybody that's not white," Zielinski said.
He "talked about complex economic ideas of how the government was messing up and that the economy will crumble and the system will collapse, but it never matched up with a lot of weapons in there," neighbor Erik Sanderson said.
Wheeler is being held on $2 million bond.
Moparmike
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It should be noted that this thread was started 10 months ago, and not only has my attitude changed, but also my number of firearms. I have infinitely increased the percentage of firearms I posess. (IE going from 0 to 4).
Attitudes change. Curuiously, I have more shotshells now than anything else. Damn those ValPaks and their treacherous "buy meee!" siren-esque call...
I still need more AK ammo. only 150rds or so...
Attitudes change. Curuiously, I have more shotshells now than anything else. Damn those ValPaks and their treacherous "buy meee!" siren-esque call...
I still need more AK ammo. only 150rds or so...
Mornard
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uummnnhhh....
14 rifles, 8 handguns = "dozens of guns"? Must be new math. And oh, wow! more than 1,000 rounds of ammo... (Didn't they look in the second case?)
I have more than this on my basement stairs, before you get to the real stuff.
14 rifles, 8 handguns = "dozens of guns"? Must be new math. And oh, wow! more than 1,000 rounds of ammo... (Didn't they look in the second case?)
I have more than this on my basement stairs, before you get to the real stuff.
Sam Adams
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Dr. Jones
She Who Must Be Obeyed has a penchant for buying non-durables, and She Who Will Be Obeyed By Some Other Poor Sucker In About 20 Years seems to share shoe genes with Imelda Marcos.
Me, I'm into durables - things made of metal, wood and durable plastics (though definitely more of the first 2) which I look forward to handing to my grandkids someday. I somehow doubt that my wife's shoes from 2004 will be anywhere except in some landfill in 2034.
I'm still trying to figure that one out myself.
She Who Must Be Obeyed has a penchant for buying non-durables, and She Who Will Be Obeyed By Some Other Poor Sucker In About 20 Years seems to share shoe genes with Imelda Marcos.Me, I'm into durables - things made of metal, wood and durable plastics (though definitely more of the first 2) which I look forward to handing to my grandkids someday. I somehow doubt that my wife's shoes from 2004 will be anywhere except in some landfill in 2034.
Sam Adams
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Reasons to have 10K (or some other large number) rounds of ammo:
1) If the SHTF, you can always trade ammo for food, gas, bullion, etc. If that happens, make sure that the tradee doesn't have the gun that shoots that ammo on or near his person, and that you DO have a loaded gun ON your person (yes, Virginia, I remember the gunshop scene from Terminator 1)
2) Cheaper by the boatload; also, as many above pointed out, prices rise over time, and getting bargains (esp. for surplus) is a decent long term investment.
3) It may not be available in the future. Some ammo that I have was already outlawed from importation (steel-cored Chinese 7.62x39), discontinued (Black Talon) or running out (.30-06 AP). Who's to say that we won't get laws like Mexico or many other countries, which virtually prohibit civilians from owning guns that shoot military calibers? Who's to say that some President won't declare a state of emergency and close all of the gun shops, indefinitely? How about a state of emergency where all new ammo production is for military or police use only (as in a war with a very populous enemy like the Chinese)?
3A) For the same reason, I have plenty of components on hand.
4) Being Jewish, I don't intend for myself or anyone in my family to be stuck with nothing, or even with only a few rusty old revolvers or rifles and (literally) a handfull of ammunition, as were the Jews of Europe in my grandparents' day. Nope, this ain't gonna happen, especially not after the Islamofascist bastages lopped off the head of yet another Jew this week, because they'd like to bring some or a lot of that to our shores. They'll only get me when the barrels of my guns melt, and it takes a lot of ammo to make that happen.
5) If the SHTF and you have, say, 1 dozen guns, you are able to give/lend a gun and a plentiful amount of ammo to friends and/or family. While I'd probably do this, the antis among them wouldn't get anything from me except "But I thought that guns weren't good for anything except killing people" or "But what do you NEEEEEEED a gun for?" or "You did everything you could to take this stuff away from me when it was widely available for you to buy, and now you expect me to GIVE it to you?"
6) Its fun to see the
look on someone's face when they figure out that you could start a revolution in most South American countries just with what's in one room of your house.
1) If the SHTF, you can always trade ammo for food, gas, bullion, etc. If that happens, make sure that the tradee doesn't have the gun that shoots that ammo on or near his person, and that you DO have a loaded gun ON your person (yes, Virginia, I remember the gunshop scene from Terminator 1)
2) Cheaper by the boatload; also, as many above pointed out, prices rise over time, and getting bargains (esp. for surplus) is a decent long term investment.
3) It may not be available in the future. Some ammo that I have was already outlawed from importation (steel-cored Chinese 7.62x39), discontinued (Black Talon) or running out (.30-06 AP). Who's to say that we won't get laws like Mexico or many other countries, which virtually prohibit civilians from owning guns that shoot military calibers? Who's to say that some President won't declare a state of emergency and close all of the gun shops, indefinitely? How about a state of emergency where all new ammo production is for military or police use only (as in a war with a very populous enemy like the Chinese)?
3A) For the same reason, I have plenty of components on hand.
4) Being Jewish, I don't intend for myself or anyone in my family to be stuck with nothing, or even with only a few rusty old revolvers or rifles and (literally) a handfull of ammunition, as were the Jews of Europe in my grandparents' day. Nope, this ain't gonna happen, especially not after the Islamofascist bastages lopped off the head of yet another Jew this week, because they'd like to bring some or a lot of that to our shores. They'll only get me when the barrels of my guns melt, and it takes a lot of ammo to make that happen.
5) If the SHTF and you have, say, 1 dozen guns, you are able to give/lend a gun and a plentiful amount of ammo to friends and/or family. While I'd probably do this, the antis among them wouldn't get anything from me except "But I thought that guns weren't good for anything except killing people" or "But what do you NEEEEEEED a gun for?" or "You did everything you could to take this stuff away from me when it was widely available for you to buy, and now you expect me to GIVE it to you?"
6) Its fun to see the
look on someone's face when they figure out that you could start a revolution in most South American countries just with what's in one room of your house. Sam Adams
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Moparmike
Only 150 rounds of 7.62x39?!
Get thee to http://catalog.jgsales.com/?itemnumber=1-5-792 to get 1000 rounds of new production, non-corrosive Russkie HP for $0.07 each.
Only 150 rounds of 7.62x39?!
Get thee to http://catalog.jgsales.com/?itemnumber=1-5-792 to get 1000 rounds of new production, non-corrosive Russkie HP for $0.07 each.
Moparmike
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I am only a college student. Right now, my car needs my money more.
And besides, I havent been to the range since February. I need to go, but I need to find the time. And start waking up sometime after sunrise, instead of going to sleep at sunrise....
And besides, I havent been to the range since February. I need to go, but I need to find the time. And start waking up sometime after sunrise, instead of going to sleep at sunrise....
stevelyn
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I'm with Chip Dixon on this one. There is no such thing as too much ammo or other supplies to ensure self-reliance.
I live in bush Alaska. For those of you who aren't familiar with our unique way of life here let me explain. Alaska has over 500,000 sq miles of land. I don't have the numbers on the miles of coast line, but they more than exceed much more than to total of CONUS. Most of the communities in Alaska are remote. The road system up here connects only the major population centers of Anchorage and Fairbanks, the Canadian border, a few communities along the highway and Port of Valdez. The rest of the state is accessable by air only and in some cases also by boat (depending on season and ice conditions). Our capitol in Juneau can only be practically reached by air from the major population centers. There are over 226 communities in the state that range from a few people to a few thousand. All are dependent on air travel for transportation and the shipping of goods and supplies, including fuel for some villages.
Everyonewho lives out here must be very self-reliant to successfully live here. This means having tools, repair parts, know-how, and the ability to plan ahead and shop according to priorities. Additionally you have to keep and maintain a large stock pile of food staples. Meat and fish can be and are harvested from the surrounding when needed.
Now bush Alaska is not on anyones' hit list that I'm aware of. There is nothing of value out here for them. When 9/11 occurred the government shut down all flights to include bush commuters. This action cut off the inflow of all supplies and travel to bush villages. Food, fuel, and mail service were all interupted. During this time hunter were out hunting during the peak of the hunting season with many being flown to remote camps by guides and outfitters. They were stuck for the duration and most had no idea why their guides and pilots didn't return to pick them up on time until the FAA lifted the flight ban. At the time of the ban the govenment didn't even know how long they would suspend the flights. It could have gone much longer and been much worse.
Now to your original question is "Is 10k rounds excessive?" In a word......No! Being self-sufficient is also being free. The ability to be independent of the infrastructure so many find themselves unable to survive without. Freedom= being able to go it on your own.
Curently the greatest threat I face at my present grid coordinates are earthquakes and tsunamies. But who cares? I don't. Can wait out the disaster until things recover enough to start getting supplies in here again......ammo included.
Over the years I've learn to hoard. Hoard fuel, ammo, food, tools, spare parts. I have survival equipment, the means to catch and kill my own meals, a generator. I enjoy living this way and I know I'm dependent on others for very little.
I live in bush Alaska. For those of you who aren't familiar with our unique way of life here let me explain. Alaska has over 500,000 sq miles of land. I don't have the numbers on the miles of coast line, but they more than exceed much more than to total of CONUS. Most of the communities in Alaska are remote. The road system up here connects only the major population centers of Anchorage and Fairbanks, the Canadian border, a few communities along the highway and Port of Valdez. The rest of the state is accessable by air only and in some cases also by boat (depending on season and ice conditions). Our capitol in Juneau can only be practically reached by air from the major population centers. There are over 226 communities in the state that range from a few people to a few thousand. All are dependent on air travel for transportation and the shipping of goods and supplies, including fuel for some villages.
Everyonewho lives out here must be very self-reliant to successfully live here. This means having tools, repair parts, know-how, and the ability to plan ahead and shop according to priorities. Additionally you have to keep and maintain a large stock pile of food staples. Meat and fish can be and are harvested from the surrounding when needed.
Now bush Alaska is not on anyones' hit list that I'm aware of. There is nothing of value out here for them. When 9/11 occurred the government shut down all flights to include bush commuters. This action cut off the inflow of all supplies and travel to bush villages. Food, fuel, and mail service were all interupted. During this time hunter were out hunting during the peak of the hunting season with many being flown to remote camps by guides and outfitters. They were stuck for the duration and most had no idea why their guides and pilots didn't return to pick them up on time until the FAA lifted the flight ban. At the time of the ban the govenment didn't even know how long they would suspend the flights. It could have gone much longer and been much worse.
Now to your original question is "Is 10k rounds excessive?" In a word......No! Being self-sufficient is also being free. The ability to be independent of the infrastructure so many find themselves unable to survive without. Freedom= being able to go it on your own.
Curently the greatest threat I face at my present grid coordinates are earthquakes and tsunamies. But who cares? I don't. Can wait out the disaster until things recover enough to start getting supplies in here again......ammo included.
Over the years I've learn to hoard. Hoard fuel, ammo, food, tools, spare parts. I have survival equipment, the means to catch and kill my own meals, a generator. I enjoy living this way and I know I'm dependent on others for very little.
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