I used to think I'd bug out. But I have talked to my neighbors about it. Those I care about said they would stay. So now I'm gonna stay. There are enough of us to "hold the permeter" unless there were tanks in the equation. And we all have food storage and gardens, and a water source.
SHTF, will you stay or will you go?
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Lord Bodak
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Thankfully we didn't have any problems of the SHTF sort after Hurricane Isabel in September... but I can't imagine leaving after it happened...
But I do know that by next hurricane season I'll be armed, just in case...
But I do know that by next hurricane season I'll be armed, just in case...
Lord Bodak
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Thanks Ironbarr... lifelong Tidewater resident here... VB then Chesapeake then VB again, except for the four years at Virginia Tech 
THR badges?
We don't need no steenking badges!
Just yell out, "Oleg sent me" as you get within rifle range.
But I think if THR members can't set up assistance networks, who really could?
I've met only Ed from Arkansas so far in person... Just Ed.
Need to meet more.
hillbilly
We don't need no steenking badges!
Just yell out, "Oleg sent me" as you get within rifle range.
But I think if THR members can't set up assistance networks, who really could?
I've met only Ed from Arkansas so far in person... Just Ed.
Need to meet more.
hillbilly
one-shot-one
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better much better
QuarterBoreGunner: said........
" other than the PD (and I’m being generous here) we’re probably most well armed group in the city. "
after reading here awhile i believe many, maaaaaaaaaannnnnnnyyyy,
of thr's are much better equipted than the smaller pd's and some may begain to equal the larger ones.
QuarterBoreGunner: said........
" other than the PD (and I’m being generous here) we’re probably most well armed group in the city. "
after reading here awhile i believe many, maaaaaaaaaannnnnnnyyyy,
of thr's are much better equipted than the smaller pd's and some may begain to equal the larger ones.
ChopperKen
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More than likely I would stay,I live out in the country and have most of the things I would need to sustain myself for a few weeks at least.
The only reason I would HAVE to leave is if I thought my daughter was in jepardy, and that is only 30 miles by backroad into a small town...
Ken
The only reason I would HAVE to leave is if I thought my daughter was in jepardy, and that is only 30 miles by backroad into a small town...
Ken
Tom Bri
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Two months
If it went REALLY bad, a nationwide or worldwide disaster (unlikely as that is), the first trick would be to get through the first month or two. By then the great majority of the urban population will be dead from starvation, and the rest scattered.
If you aren't where you are likely to be burned out, or die of thirst, stay put. You know the neighbors, know where resources are, and hopefully have a couple months of food on hand. Lay low, don't move around, don't cook or do anything else to bring attention down on yourself. Once you get your family and friends settled anyway.
If it went REALLY bad, a nationwide or worldwide disaster (unlikely as that is), the first trick would be to get through the first month or two. By then the great majority of the urban population will be dead from starvation, and the rest scattered.
If you aren't where you are likely to be burned out, or die of thirst, stay put. You know the neighbors, know where resources are, and hopefully have a couple months of food on hand. Lay low, don't move around, don't cook or do anything else to bring attention down on yourself. Once you get your family and friends settled anyway.
tommytrauma
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I expect that the deciding factor for my family would be water. We have enough on hand for a while, but we also have a standing invitation to head out to a friends property about 45 minutes from here. He has 400 acres and an independant water source.
We also had an incident here in Wisconsin a few years ago where a whole town was evacuated with only minutes warning due to a train derailment.
I base most of my plans on sheltering in place, but we keep camp gear, food and basics packed in rubbermaid containers in the garage in case we need to bug out. However, if we can stay put, that leaves us with much more food, water and other supplies that we would have as refugees.
Something to think about; Does everyone in your family know how to cut off electricity, gas and water if you do decide to bug out?
We also had an incident here in Wisconsin a few years ago where a whole town was evacuated with only minutes warning due to a train derailment.
I base most of my plans on sheltering in place, but we keep camp gear, food and basics packed in rubbermaid containers in the garage in case we need to bug out. However, if we can stay put, that leaves us with much more food, water and other supplies that we would have as refugees.
Something to think about; Does everyone in your family know how to cut off electricity, gas and water if you do decide to bug out?
TallPine
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That depends on electricity for pumping ....?
I think I'm going to forego my "next" gun and buy a generator instead.
I figure a quart of gas could probably pump 100 gallons of water.
FPrice
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For the most part I would stay, as long as my house was still habitable. I am in a suburban area, most riot scenes would be miles away (unless the all-girls college up the road riots, now THAT would be interesting).
Vern Humphrey
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I'm staying put -- I'm 3 1/2 miles down a dirt road, and then another 3/4 of a mile down common and private roads.
We're on rural water (gravity flow), have a creek and springs on the property.
Electrical outages are routine around here -- we were without electricity for 5 days a while back. When I built the house, I put in a full basement (which never gets colder than 50 degrees) and put a Buck Stove down there. We keep a Coleman cook stove, Coleman lantern, spare parts and mantles, plenty of fuel (get the Dual Fuel model -- you can use ordinary unleaded gas if need be.)
We also have a small generator (to keep the freezer and refrigerator cold), and plenty of candles, oil lamps and batteries.
The good part is, our plan gets exercised pretty regularly -- with no-notice ice storms and so on. Each time, we find flaws in the plan and fix them.
We're on rural water (gravity flow), have a creek and springs on the property.
Electrical outages are routine around here -- we were without electricity for 5 days a while back. When I built the house, I put in a full basement (which never gets colder than 50 degrees) and put a Buck Stove down there. We keep a Coleman cook stove, Coleman lantern, spare parts and mantles, plenty of fuel (get the Dual Fuel model -- you can use ordinary unleaded gas if need be.)
We also have a small generator (to keep the freezer and refrigerator cold), and plenty of candles, oil lamps and batteries.
The good part is, our plan gets exercised pretty regularly -- with no-notice ice storms and so on. Each time, we find flaws in the plan and fix them.
larry_minn
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TallPine posted. "an independant water source.
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That depends on electricity for pumping ....?
I think I'm going to forego my "next" gun and buy a generator instead.
I figure a quart of gas could probably pump 100 gallons of water"
Check your pump. Not only voltage/amps/watts but also if it requires a steady power supply. Some of the newer ones will NOT work with standard Gen. (talk to well driller/pump installer) The newer ones have too much (IMO) computer stuff on the pump. If EVERYTHING is not 100% they will not kick in. Neighbor who has dairy had to have a new pump put in after a nasty wind/rain/lightning/etc storm. His gen would not work in his 6 month old pump. So they had to put in a used one in.
I am lucky that I can actually use a rope/bucket/weight to get water if I need to. (Old hand dug well that I take water from for garden to keep it current. ) Just dump in a gallon of Hilex and pull up water a few hrs later.
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That depends on electricity for pumping ....?
I think I'm going to forego my "next" gun and buy a generator instead.
I figure a quart of gas could probably pump 100 gallons of water"
Check your pump. Not only voltage/amps/watts but also if it requires a steady power supply. Some of the newer ones will NOT work with standard Gen. (talk to well driller/pump installer) The newer ones have too much (IMO) computer stuff on the pump. If EVERYTHING is not 100% they will not kick in. Neighbor who has dairy had to have a new pump put in after a nasty wind/rain/lightning/etc storm. His gen would not work in his 6 month old pump. So they had to put in a used one in.
I am lucky that I can actually use a rope/bucket/weight to get water if I need to. (Old hand dug well that I take water from for garden to keep it current. ) Just dump in a gallon of Hilex and pull up water a few hrs later.
tommytrauma
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spartacus2002
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Another Hurricane Isabel or other natural disaster, I'm stayin' put, to help out the neighbors, and to (ahem) deter looters with the good ol' HDR.
The blue helmets or space aliens invade, and it's a tougher choice: become an urban insurgent (could have lotsa fun in Newport News with IEDs), or head to the hills?
The blue helmets or space aliens invade, and it's a tougher choice: become an urban insurgent (could have lotsa fun in Newport News with IEDs), or head to the hills?
SpartacusMMII... )))
At least you can run. On the southside coast, we're pretty well jammed tight. And, OH! BTW, the powers-that-be have an escape plan that routes me toward you... that is, if I could conceive of a way to fly over the I-64 parrrrrking lot & make it thru the tunnel - and that eternal construction area. - - - 
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I'll just stay here and be the southside urban (whatever).
-Andy
)))At least you can run. On the southside coast, we're pretty well jammed tight. And, OH! BTW, the powers-that-be have an escape plan that routes me toward you... that is, if I could conceive of a way to fly over the I-64 parrrrrking lot & make it thru the tunnel - and that eternal construction area.
- - - - I'll just stay here and be the southside urban (whatever).
-Andy
Vern Humphrey
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What, is the Dismal Swamp closed?
Vern Humphrey
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Too bad you don't have inner tubes in your tires -- you could float. And maybe bag a bear on the way.
Well...
getting back to topic - if I were to get away I'd want, in no particular order, the following:
1. A good knife * * (slicing & dicing)
2. An AR or other SA - - (bandidos & bigger four-legged varmints
3. A 3030 lever * * (BIG food/leather goods)
4. Shotgun/two .22 rifles - - (birdies/small game)
5. Ammo for all - hone stone * * (gun food/knife tailor)
6. Water * * (body hydrate)
7. Gasoline/oil/antifreeze - - (vehicle food)
8. Clothing/footwear - - (weather/moral cover)
9. Bedding - - (resting gear)
10. Medical gear - - (fix bodies)
11. Comm gear - - (talk about)
12. GPS - - (auto location/direction)
13. Lighting gear - - (see things)
14. Assorted batteries - - (replace the bummers)
15. Asstd mech/carpenter tools - - (fix/make things)
16. Camping gear & tent - - (weather beater)
17. Money/plastic/checks - - (trade w/natives)
18. Windup watch - - (time and auxiliary compass)
19. Compass - - (manual location/direction)
20. Cell phone - - (knowing it's trackable, minimum use)
21. Paper/pencil/pen - - (letters, notes, crosswords)
22. Canned/packaged food - - (no refrig)
23. Large mongrel canine - - (user-friendly but non-user mean)
24. One monsterous BOB - - (to carry all this crap)
25. "Suitable" vehicle(s) - - (For BOB/mine & me)
* * Mandatory survival items - everything else can be "accumulated" from bandidos. Oh, I'll make sure to get soap too... bandidos stink.
Did I miss something?
-Andy
getting back to topic - if I were to get away I'd want, in no particular order, the following:
1. A good knife * * (slicing & dicing)
2. An AR or other SA - - (bandidos & bigger four-legged varmints
3. A 3030 lever * * (BIG food/leather goods)
4. Shotgun/two .22 rifles - - (birdies/small game)
5. Ammo for all - hone stone * * (gun food/knife tailor)
6. Water * * (body hydrate)
7. Gasoline/oil/antifreeze - - (vehicle food)
8. Clothing/footwear - - (weather/moral cover)
9. Bedding - - (resting gear)
10. Medical gear - - (fix bodies)
11. Comm gear - - (talk about)
12. GPS - - (auto location/direction)
13. Lighting gear - - (see things)
14. Assorted batteries - - (replace the bummers)
15. Asstd mech/carpenter tools - - (fix/make things)
16. Camping gear & tent - - (weather beater)
17. Money/plastic/checks - - (trade w/natives)
18. Windup watch - - (time and auxiliary compass)
19. Compass - - (manual location/direction)
20. Cell phone - - (knowing it's trackable, minimum use)
21. Paper/pencil/pen - - (letters, notes, crosswords)
22. Canned/packaged food - - (no refrig)
23. Large mongrel canine - - (user-friendly but non-user mean)
24. One monsterous BOB - - (to carry all this crap)
25. "Suitable" vehicle(s) - - (For BOB/mine & me)
* * Mandatory survival items - everything else can be "accumulated" from bandidos. Oh, I'll make sure to get soap too... bandidos stink.
Did I miss something?
-Andy
If it was going to be weather related I would just stay-put. Where I live we are on 'community power'. Basically our town owns the power company so we can buy power from any source we want and the town charges the residents more or less wholesale for the power. During the Blackout of 2003 we never lost power because we could buy from one of the coal plants that didn't have to shut down. Even during an ice storm where lines are just dropping we only lost power for about 8 hours...all the linesman live in town so they have a vested interest in getting back online ASAP.
Now, if we are talking end of the world, mutant grizzly wolfmen then I am going to pack up the truck and we are heading to my grandparents farm. I can get there taking all back roads. There are crops, lots of game, they have a well and we also have a cottage on a lake about 1 mile away from the farm. If it gets worse than that we have some more property that has lots of game and a creek and is in the middle of nowhere.
Now, if we are talking end of the world, mutant grizzly wolfmen then I am going to pack up the truck and we are heading to my grandparents farm. I can get there taking all back roads. There are crops, lots of game, they have a well and we also have a cottage on a lake about 1 mile away from the farm. If it gets worse than that we have some more property that has lots of game and a creek and is in the middle of nowhere.
Joe Demko
Member
If I left, how would I be able to initiate my plan to become the Warlord of Western Pennsylvania (and parts of Ohio)?
Seriously, "bugging out" in any but the most egregiously bad circumstances strikes me as bad judgement. The moment you bug out, you have just become a refugee. You may be a refugee with a gun and a BOB, but that is still what you are.
In a temporary upheaval, I'm not leaving because I'm not leaving my house as easy pickings for every lowlife who cares to break in. In the (incredibly unlikely) TEOTWAWKI situation, there are going to be enormous hordes of refugees. Some of them are going to be bad people and will prey on their fellow refugees. I'd just as soon stay put and attempt to defend myself from a fortified house as try to preserve life and limb while in the midst of a chaotic open environment. Anywhere I might want to go, I'll go after there has been time for as much as possible of the killing to be finished.
Seriously, "bugging out" in any but the most egregiously bad circumstances strikes me as bad judgement. The moment you bug out, you have just become a refugee. You may be a refugee with a gun and a BOB, but that is still what you are.
In a temporary upheaval, I'm not leaving because I'm not leaving my house as easy pickings for every lowlife who cares to break in. In the (incredibly unlikely) TEOTWAWKI situation, there are going to be enormous hordes of refugees. Some of them are going to be bad people and will prey on their fellow refugees. I'd just as soon stay put and attempt to defend myself from a fortified house as try to preserve life and limb while in the midst of a chaotic open environment. Anywhere I might want to go, I'll go after there has been time for as much as possible of the killing to be finished.
stv...
you are right - I forgot matches... how in the world could I forget that, how would I light my pipe and have a genteel smoke? Oh no! Tobacco - pipe tobacco...
Guess I'll just stay put - if I forget something at least I won't be in the boonies.
-Andy
you are right - I forgot matches... how in the world could I forget that, how would I light my pipe and have a genteel smoke? Oh no! Tobacco - pipe tobacco...
Guess I'll just stay put - if I forget something at least I won't be in the boonies.
-Andy
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