Sig 556 or MSAR-556?

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I'm in the market for either one of these. I went and looked at both today and I can't decide which one to get. I own several Colt AR's and Springfield M1A's and i'm looking for something different.

What are some of the opinions of people who own these rifles? Does the MSAR use AUG magazines? and has anyone had any issues with the quality of these rifles?

Thanks Larry
 
Lot of $$ burning a hole in your wallet...

I think the MSAR would be more interesting and have more collectors value. The Sig will not be all that rare, ultimately, and is made only for the US commercial and LE market (it's derived from a design made for worldwide markets, but isn't identical). The MSAR may be made only for those same US markets, but it's a replica of the extremely cool, and rare in the US, AUG.

Looking at primarily for collecting purposes, the MSAR, or also consider the FN FS2000.

For roving zombies I would pick neither; I'd go with an AK or an XCR.
 
Get the STG-556. Mine has been flawless. They can use AUG mags (after minor mods to the AUG mags), but their own work just as well and cost about the same.

This rifle will be almost a foot shorter than the SIG and balanced really well. The SIG I handled was front heavy and had crappy furniture. Your mileage may vary.

Both are piston op, they each have their own strong points and weak points. Bullpups are not for everyone, but if you dig em, I think the STG556 is hands down the best available. FS-2000 lacks some important features like a last shot bolt-hold-open, and it feels bulky and points like a youre aiming a big fish.

The only bullpup as nice in feel is the PS90, but that unfortunately packs an anemic round. I wish it took Tokarev bullets instead.

-T
 
I've gotten some time behind a MSAR and wasn't all that impressed. It functioned reliably, but the finishing was substandard compared to the original AUG. Lots of tool marks. I've read good things about the TPD AXR AUG-clone, but haven't seen one first hand.

Although the FS2000 lacks bolt hold open, it is a well made bullpup and mine has proven to be both accurate and reliable.
 
I'd also consider parts availability and the support of the manufacturer, down the line. Sig and FN have been around for a long, time.

MSAR may be around for a long time, also, but I'd let someone else figure that out, unless pretty much all of the parts are interchangeable with the AUG.

I also have a beef with proprietary magazines.
 
And keep in mind that Steyr is going to be releasing their own US-made AUG in the near future.

If you go for the SIG you'll wind up spending a fair amount of money down the road accessorizing. This can be either a good or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. The MSAR doesn't have nearly as many options for accessories or configurations. Magazine availability and price definitely are in favor for the SIG. The MSAR is a bullpup-good or bad.
 
FS-2000 lacks some important features like a last shot bolt-hold-open, and it feels bulky and points like a youre aiming a big fish.

I recently had a chance to fire an FS2000 owned by a friend, and agree with your comments. I also found it was unreliable with a Cammenga mag that worked 100% reliably in two AR's. The FS was fine with a GI aluminum mag. In addition, the trigger pull on the FS is, IMHO, terrible. Feels like a nerf gun.
 
while i've never owned either, a local gunshop had both a real AUG and a MSAR clone and i fondled both quite a bit. maybe it's just me, but i like the clone better than the original.

even so, the mags are a deal-breaker. i'd never use either gun for a regular shooter. (nevermind the poor ergo)
 
Can you please provide some information that proves this?

Information directly from Steyr at SHOT, repeated confirmations since then, and then the announcement of it on their website.
 
while i've never owned either, a local gunshop had both a real AUG and a MSAR clone and i fondled both quite a bit. maybe it's just me, but i like the clone better than the original.

No, you are not the only one.
 
Here's my recent experience w/the STG-556:
Just received my STG-566. Based on the listed pic it looked like I was getting an older version (tulip FH, no BHO fence, fewer QD sling positions) but when it arrived I was very pleased to see the new style FH (which I prefer) and the BHO fence. While I would have preferred green I must say the black version is *very* good-looking, the epitome of EBR.
For the optic I decided on the Aimpoint CompM4, not only because it uses the same AA batteries as the rest of my kit but also the included QRP2 mount can be reversed so the QD knob is on the right (instead of the left) so it won't interfere w/the STG-556's left-side charging handle. It's mounted far forward to minimize the Aimpoint body's perceived size while aiming and to leave space on the rail for an upcoming experiment: LaRue Po Boy Special w/the Heinstoldt 2.5x magnifier. I added a 3" rail (from Promoted Pawn who advertises here, an excellent piece of gear for a great price: http://www.microtalk.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=201 ) for attaching a Streamlight TLR-2 combo taclight/laser w/remote tapeswitch held in place by Ranger Bands and a Gear Sector Gen.II ASP single point sling adapter (I'm not using any of the STG-556's QD sling swivels at this time). With the TLR-2 far back on the rail there is some bbl shadow at 10 o'clock but it's not severe and is pretty well filled-in w/scatter. An advantage to having it far back on the rail is that both the constant-on rocker & mode switches can be reached w/the trigger finger w/o changing my firing grip (and moving the TLR-2 further forward doesn't improve the 10 o'clock bbl shadow).
As w/all new firearms, first thing I did was strip it down for a good cleaning/lubing. As forewarned, I found the disassembly latch was extremely tight the first time but is improving w/usage. Takedown was quick & easy (except for the aforementioned tight takedown latch) w/relatively few parts & a bolt assy that's *much* simpler than the FS2K's bolt assy (my biggest complaint about the FS2K is the complexity of the bolt assy). Cleaning/lubing took little time (much less than the AR's I used to own) and it went back together easily (yep, RTFM!)
Anywho, headed out to the range w/the STG-556 and a friend's FS2000 so I could do a side-by-side comparison. Ammo used was Wolf poly 55gr, Silver Bear 62gr & Prvi Partizan 55gr.
I initially sighted in the STG-556 w/the Silver Bear to get me on paper then finished sighting in w/the PP 55gr. Lo and behold, an interesting development!: the SB's POI is exactly 3" to the left of the PP's POI at 100yds! (Someone suggested this is due to barrel harmonics but while I've experienced vertical dispersion of POI's caused by bbl harmonics this is the first time I've ever experienced horizontal dispersion of POI's!)
The trigger pull of the STG-556 is horrible for precision aiming! I'm hoping this will improve a bit w/time or discover a safe method for improving it but as-is it's just fine for the CQB tactical shooting I do (in fact, I prefer it to the FS2K's trigger for that kind of shooting).
Handling: This is a pretty subjective area but I find the STG-556 just plain handles better for me (YMMV). It's faster on-target and doubletaps are faster/easier as well when compared to the FS2K. Mag removals aren't bad but I'm obviously going to have to practice or learn a new technique if I want faster reloads! The forward assist and bolt hold-open don't bother me in the least, in fact I usually don't know they're there.
I ran a couple of tactical drills as well as some informal bouncing of several empty milk jugs. While the FS2K handled better than any of the AK's/AR's I've used in the past it still didn't handle as well or as quickly as the STG-556 (this could be due to a number of reasons that are directly shooter-related as well as obvious possibilities like the FS2K not having a vertical foregrip like the STG-556).
Functioning of the STG-556 was 100% for the couple of hundred rds fired except for the first time I tried the 42rd mag when I got several FTF's. This I attribute to operator error while loading as loading it more carefully resulted in no more problems (and 0 problems from the 2nd 42rd mag I tried), the 30rd mags were all 100%. Btw, I really like the design & quality of the MSAR mags, not only are they shaped well for handling but rugged as well (I accidentally dropped a fully loaded 42rd mag onto concrete and all it did was spit out the first 2 rds).
My biggest complaint about the STG-556 is the charging handle. While more rugged than the FS2K's (which have been know to occasionally break) it's also more difficult to use. Not only due to the shape which requires turning the offhand palm up and engaging the charging handle w/the little finger but the springs are stronger as well requiring more effort to manually cycle the action.
Overall I much prefer the STG-556 over the FS2K for my needs (YMMV) but so far both have been 100%.
Tomac
STG-556 Right Side:
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STG-556 Left Side:
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Aimpoint M4 Setup to Clear Charging Handle:
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3" Rail for Taclight Attachment:
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Better View of Gear Sector Single Point Sling Adapter:
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Gear Sector ASP Single Point Sling:
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STG-556 & FN FS2000:
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I've gotten some time behind a MSAR and wasn't all that impressed. It functioned reliably, but the finishing was substandard compared to the original AUG. Lots of tool marks. I've read good things about the TPD AXR AUG-clone, but haven't seen one first hand.

That is interesting. The original AUG has a painted aluminum receiver. All the used ones Ive seen for sale had paint chipping away along the charging handle's path. It really looked "used".

The STG has a really nicely cut receiver (Microtech is orginally a knife manufacturer and knows how to cut some metal). Their receiver is anodized black,

Mine is a limited edition with the scope and I'd say mine has a better fit and finish than any AUG I've handled.

-T
 
i'm looking for something different.
Well, an AUG-clone will get that role filled for you in a manner a little more "unique" than the SIG.

Though, a SIG "SWAT" or whatever they call their sidefolder, retrofitted with a 550-type forward handguard, certainly catches my fancy.
 
I believe Steyr USA will be the distributor, but someone else possibly Sabre Defence will actually be producing the guns.

I could be wrong, but I recall hearing from Steyr that it was made on the original tooling, which had been moved over to Alabama.
 
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