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If I were looking for a DA .45acp, the Sig P220 would be my number one choice.
Sig P220 and Sig Pistols
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George Hill
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Love the SIGs.
Sean Smith
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It is also irrelevant. We are comparing guns, not shooters. And different guns have different inherent mechanical accuracy.
If you are going to bring competition into it, the Sig P-series guns are outnumbered maybe 20:1 at the top levels of competition where SA guns are allowed. Oopsie!
I could just as easily say: Rob Leatham sure doesn't seem handicapped by not using a SigSauer! And it would mean exactly as much to this discussion: jack squat. Individual exceptional shooters winning with gun X tells you nothing about that design's overall usefulness for a given purpose, just that it isn't horrible, which I never claimed the Sig P-series guns were.
I related my firsthand experience as a (mostly satisified) Sig owner. Last I checked, I'm not obligated to have experiences that satisfy your preconceptions.
SIGs are my favorite pistol. I have a 229 and I want to buy a 239.
I don't think my pistol has any flaws at all. There are some designs that you might not like (no manual safety), but that was not a manufacturing error or the result of bad engineering. This is probably the best made and best shooting firearm that I own. Period.
I don't think my pistol has any flaws at all. There are some designs that you might not like (no manual safety), but that was not a manufacturing error or the result of bad engineering. This is probably the best made and best shooting firearm that I own. Period.
MikeIsaj
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I bought a P220 several months ago and instantly fell in love with it. Reliable, accurate and I have a hand that it fits well. Have fired approx 700 rds of varying quality and never a malfunction.
IZinterrogator
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Good, I'm not the only one that feels this way about the 220. Why did Sig add stippling to the frontstrap of all of their pistols except the 220? It's the .45 version, for Pete's sake! :banghead:
And I just related both my personal experiences, along with some history. I postulated that perhaps some shoot some guns better than others. I'm of the opinion that most quality guns shoot better than their owners.
Not sure why this caused such a hissy fit.....
geekWithA.45
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Love sigs.
With the possible exception of the DAK trigger, (da/sa vs dao is a religious/doctrinal war anyway) I believe that the fundamental design of the sig platform hits that sweet spot engineers call "parsimonious elegance":
The design is not significantly improved by either adding to it, nor by taking anything away from it.
With the possible exception of the DAK trigger, (da/sa vs dao is a religious/doctrinal war anyway) I believe that the fundamental design of the sig platform hits that sweet spot engineers call "parsimonious elegance":
The design is not significantly improved by either adding to it, nor by taking anything away from it.
I have only positive experience with my SIGs. I own a P220ST and a P229 in .40 and 357. They are all comfortable, reliable, and dead-on accurate. I've never had a jam with either of them.
As a cool side note, my P229 in .40 will feed empty cases without jamming too! If I could host a video online, I'd prove it too.
As a cool side note, my P229 in .40 will feed empty cases without jamming too! If I could host a video online, I'd prove it too.
cslinger
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Sig Good.
Sean Smith
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All the smileys should have been a strong hint that it wasn't really a hissy fit.
Sig makes nice weapons. I own a P226-40 with 357 conversion barrel. It is accurate and reliable.
Sig stock triggers are fine for TDA, but not wonderful. The reset is quite long. My stock DA pull is 11, and SA is 6.
There is one design issue with the P220, P226 and P229 - a trigger reset spring. The part doesn't often break, but when it does, your gun is out of commission. Interestingly, the P239 does not have this part, and is considered by some a better design.
Finally, while most internet cowboys are gung ho on the P220 .45, most police armorers are not, at least from a durability standpoint. Read the Tactical Forums for more info.
http://www.tacticalforums.com/
Sig stock triggers are fine for TDA, but not wonderful. The reset is quite long. My stock DA pull is 11, and SA is 6.
There is one design issue with the P220, P226 and P229 - a trigger reset spring. The part doesn't often break, but when it does, your gun is out of commission. Interestingly, the P239 does not have this part, and is considered by some a better design.
Finally, while most internet cowboys are gung ho on the P220 .45, most police armorers are not, at least from a durability standpoint. Read the Tactical Forums for more info.
http://www.tacticalforums.com/
lunaslide
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I've already said a lot about Sigs, I own several of them and I'm obviously a big fan, so I'll only add:
P220 bought used, >10,000 rounds down range, 4 FTF, all of them due to underpowered ammunition, no malfunctions or breakage. I've shot almost every variety of factory ammunition FMJ, many varieties of factory JHP, some old surplus and some reloads (which accounted for the FTFs). Field stripped regularly, never detail stripped for cleaning. The bore of the barrel and it's rifling are still flawless.
Just recently, the roll pin that holds the firing pin block in broke due to the wear, but the gun still fired accurately and reliably until I noticed and stopped shooting it. It has now been sent back to Sig for a well earned full service detail strip and spring replacement.
If you need to rely on a firearm for your life, a Sig is one of the best choices you can make.
P220 bought used, >10,000 rounds down range, 4 FTF, all of them due to underpowered ammunition, no malfunctions or breakage. I've shot almost every variety of factory ammunition FMJ, many varieties of factory JHP, some old surplus and some reloads (which accounted for the FTFs). Field stripped regularly, never detail stripped for cleaning. The bore of the barrel and it's rifling are still flawless.
Just recently, the roll pin that holds the firing pin block in broke due to the wear, but the gun still fired accurately and reliably until I noticed and stopped shooting it. It has now been sent back to Sig for a well earned full service detail strip and spring replacement.
If you need to rely on a firearm for your life, a Sig is one of the best choices you can make.
justsurvivingincalifornia
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I own both a SIG 220 and a Kimber Custom1911 so I am in both camps. It depend what you want to do with it. If I were a patrol officer I would go with the SIG KISS (just point and pull the trigger). If I were a SWAT team member maybe a 1911 would be more my style.
It a hard choice to make. Everone else has seem to cover both bad and good points.
Also consider Glock in 45 just to be complete
It a hard choice to make. Everone else has seem to cover both bad and good points.
Also consider Glock in 45 just to be complete
Harry Paget Flashman
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I've got a P220, P226 in .357 Sig, P239 in .40S&W and P232. I see another P226 in 9mm and a new .40S&W barrel for my other P226 somewhere in my future. As much as I like my CZ's, I like these better.
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I have a 220 and like it. Although, I can out-group it with the Belgian Hi-Power, it is every bit as accurate as most 1911s I have ever shot and more reliable. Feeds and ejects everything.
The grip is so-so. Not as blocky and uncomfortable as a Glock 45 but not as slim and nice as a 1911 or Hi-Power. The trigger is one of the best d/a triggers I have ever shot.
Overall, the Sig 220 is a nice pistol. Probably the second best thing that launches the 45ACP round.
They ARE pricey, bought brand new. Best to pick one up used and aviod the heavy cost of buying a brand new one.
-Brickboy240
The grip is so-so. Not as blocky and uncomfortable as a Glock 45 but not as slim and nice as a 1911 or Hi-Power. The trigger is one of the best d/a triggers I have ever shot.
Overall, the Sig 220 is a nice pistol. Probably the second best thing that launches the 45ACP round.
They ARE pricey, bought brand new. Best to pick one up used and aviod the heavy cost of buying a brand new one.
-Brickboy240
Don Gwinn
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I love my P220. It shall be with me always. I did manage to break that trigger return spring, though. Now I have three sitting in the box with it.
I haven't found anything to add to it, really. Smooth wood grip, stainless grip screws. It needs to be refinished at this point. Night sights would be nice, but it's the old model with the integral front sight, so there would be some machine work involved in doing that. I'd really like to add the Ashley Outdoors XS Big Dot night sights if I could afford it.
I haven't found anything to add to it, really. Smooth wood grip, stainless grip screws. It needs to be refinished at this point. Night sights would be nice, but it's the old model with the integral front sight, so there would be some machine work involved in doing that. I'd really like to add the Ashley Outdoors XS Big Dot night sights if I could afford it.
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havent shot a p220 yet but have shot a 228 and 226. they where fun to shoot and obviously they hold a good number of rounds. I also shot the new 22 for fun and didn't care for it. Its accuracy wasn't neccesarily bad but its trigger was so awful that it was almost a chore to shoot. It also jammed a bit on me and forced me to pop off about 2-3 clips by manually working the slide. On the p226/8 I liked the guns but found their recoil and triggers not neccesarily as nice as a highpower (or maybe even a cz75) but they where fun to shoot and accurate. All those various government agencies picked them for a reason.
Nail Shooter
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by Murphster:
"To each their own, but I think they're as fine a pistol as you can buy. I base that on these four factors: reliability, accuracy, trigger, and how they feel in my hand."
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Got to agree w/ Murphster. I've got a bunch of top quality semi autos to make comparisons from, and Sigs are right at the top of the list. My 228 has the most AWESOME DA/SA trigger, and my 245 is a close second. Absolutely reliable, even w/ reloads.
Go to a high round count shooting school, and watch the Sigs and Glocks just run like watches. I'd even rate my Sigs just a touch more reliable than my Glocks--and they're just about 100%.
NS
"To each their own, but I think they're as fine a pistol as you can buy. I base that on these four factors: reliability, accuracy, trigger, and how they feel in my hand."
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Got to agree w/ Murphster. I've got a bunch of top quality semi autos to make comparisons from, and Sigs are right at the top of the list. My 228 has the most AWESOME DA/SA trigger, and my 245 is a close second. Absolutely reliable, even w/ reloads.
Go to a high round count shooting school, and watch the Sigs and Glocks just run like watches. I'd even rate my Sigs just a touch more reliable than my Glocks--and they're just about 100%.
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