Third_Rail
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Sorry if this is a duplicate, I just got it.
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Sorry if this is a duplicate, I just got it.
Jeff22
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I wonder where these are going?
RRTX
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I'm betting these are destined for the Iraqi national guard or police, I seem to remember reading that the Ruger contract involved them being sent directly to Baghdad.
45R
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Sig scores another one! 
The contract is for the P95 (9mms) not the P97 (.45s).
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/News-12-23-2004.html
Island Beretta
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no matter what they still have to pass trials for the biggie i.e. the US Military..
until they have beaten Beretta they can't lay claim to any king of the hill!!
until they have beaten Beretta they can't lay claim to any king of the hill!!
George S.
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There was a number of threads about this on different forums. One had a link to the contract details and IIRC, one alternate delivery location was Bagdadh Internationa Airport.
There is another thread about an article regarding the US Army looking for an alternative sidearm, but according to the article, it's not about completely replacing the current M9 Beretta 9mm. There have been some concerns about reliability of the M9 in desert conditions and also stopping power of the 9mm NATO ball round given that enemy combatants may be wearing armor vests.
The contract for the Rugers and SIG's had some great prices. The P95's went for around $220 and the SIGS just a bit more. Each pistol came with 2 15-round mags.
There is another thread about an article regarding the US Army looking for an alternative sidearm, but according to the article, it's not about completely replacing the current M9 Beretta 9mm. There have been some concerns about reliability of the M9 in desert conditions and also stopping power of the 9mm NATO ball round given that enemy combatants may be wearing armor vests.
The contract for the Rugers and SIG's had some great prices. The P95's went for around $220 and the SIGS just a bit more. Each pistol came with 2 15-round mags.
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Does this have the K-trigger thingy?
Warbow
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Nuh uh.
BluesBear
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I believe this has been discussed on THR before.
These guns are NOT headed for Iraq like the Rugers are.
They are not for US Military testing and evaluation.
The SIG contract mentioned above is for the Department Of Homeland Security.
DHS oversees what used to be several different governmental agencies. These are distined to become departmental issue weapons for them.
These guns are NOT headed for Iraq like the Rugers are.
They are not for US Military testing and evaluation.
The SIG contract mentioned above is for the Department Of Homeland Security.
DHS oversees what used to be several different governmental agencies. These are distined to become departmental issue weapons for them.
Warbow
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This is a different one, not from DHS, but from:
BrokenArrow
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Yeah, he really got that wrong!
The DHS contract was split between SIG and HK. Agencies under DHS can opt for either. The USCG bought 12,000 P229Rs in .40 caliber. Pistols under the DHS deal are the HK P2000, P2000SK, and USPc (all w LEM) in 9/40/357. The SIGs are the P239DAO, P226R-DAK, and P229R-DAK in 9/40. DHS already has options on SIG 357s through previous deals w subordinate agencies. Agencies under DHS might buy all SIGs, all HKs, mix it up, or none at all. DHS has previous deals in place w Glock too, and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) has been issuing Glock 9s since Oct of 2003, still is AFAIK.
The Army Ruger/SIG deal is a whole 'nother enchilada... they just wanted 10,000 pistols cheap and fast. Emphasis on the cheap and fast since no testing was done and they split it 5,000 each to get em to Iraq in a hurry. The SIG they got was the sig pro w Picatinny rail.
The Army's "market survey" last Oct 04 for the Future Handgun System (FHS) makes it clear they would like a one gun fits all solution as much as possible:
"The focus of the future handgun system (FHS) is to augment close quarters battle and security/force protection operations, and to offer significant improvements over the current handgun system. Additionally, the FHS will support the requirement for a personal defense weapon."
Lottsa luck.
The draft specs for the SOF combat pistol head that off at the pass by asking for a 45 ACP w a "consistent trigger pull" up front. As of Jan 05 they also want a "modular action mechanism that allows reconfiguration at the unit level w/o modification to the weapon's major assemblies" and a trigger that will "reset after being released, even if the pistol is not fired" and "the operator shall be capable of pulling the trigger, w/o moving the firing grip". They want a service life of at least 20,000 rounds this time and a MRBS of 2000 - 5000, 1000 w suppressor attached.
I wish they had thrown self-cleaning in there too...
The DHS contract was split between SIG and HK. Agencies under DHS can opt for either. The USCG bought 12,000 P229Rs in .40 caliber. Pistols under the DHS deal are the HK P2000, P2000SK, and USPc (all w LEM) in 9/40/357. The SIGs are the P239DAO, P226R-DAK, and P229R-DAK in 9/40. DHS already has options on SIG 357s through previous deals w subordinate agencies. Agencies under DHS might buy all SIGs, all HKs, mix it up, or none at all. DHS has previous deals in place w Glock too, and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) has been issuing Glock 9s since Oct of 2003, still is AFAIK.
The Army Ruger/SIG deal is a whole 'nother enchilada... they just wanted 10,000 pistols cheap and fast. Emphasis on the cheap and fast since no testing was done and they split it 5,000 each to get em to Iraq in a hurry. The SIG they got was the sig pro w Picatinny rail.
The Army's "market survey" last Oct 04 for the Future Handgun System (FHS) makes it clear they would like a one gun fits all solution as much as possible:
"The focus of the future handgun system (FHS) is to augment close quarters battle and security/force protection operations, and to offer significant improvements over the current handgun system. Additionally, the FHS will support the requirement for a personal defense weapon."
Lottsa luck.
The draft specs for the SOF combat pistol head that off at the pass by asking for a 45 ACP w a "consistent trigger pull" up front. As of Jan 05 they also want a "modular action mechanism that allows reconfiguration at the unit level w/o modification to the weapon's major assemblies" and a trigger that will "reset after being released, even if the pistol is not fired" and "the operator shall be capable of pulling the trigger, w/o moving the firing grip". They want a service life of at least 20,000 rounds this time and a MRBS of 2000 - 5000, 1000 w suppressor attached.
I wish they had thrown self-cleaning in there too...
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