SigArms is doing well in the US

[DMF]

deej, I think you may want to research what the US Postal Inspection Service (USPIS) really does. Inspectors are GS-1811 Criminal Investigators, just like FBI, DEA, ATF, USSS, ICE, IRS-CI, NCIS, AFOSI, etc, etc, Special Agents. They investigate crimes using the US mail, or affecting US Postal Service employees. Paper cuts? No. More like drug smuggling, letter bombs, Identity Theft, Bank Fraud, Mail Fraud, violent crimes committed against or by postal employees. Just to name a few.

Like many agencies in LE they may not be as well known as the big three (FBI, USSS, or DEA), but they are definitely equals when it comes to investigating crimes.

Anyone making comments like yours just shows their ignorance about what the Postal Inspectors do on a daily basis to fight crime in this country.

 

[KLR]

DMF- I would guess that "paper cuts and stuff" are the most significant threats deej faces in his/her life.

Oh, and about half of the guns are for the Inspection Service's uniformed division.

 

[deej]

Paper cuts? No. More like drug smuggling, letter bombs, Identity Theft, Bank Fraud, Mail Fraud, violent crimes committed against or by postal employees. Just to name a few.

Drug smuggling: DEA

Letter bombs: ATF (or, ideally, FBI)

Identity theft: SS

Bank Fraud: FBI

Mail Fraud: Sounds terribly nonspecific to me; prosecute whatever crime is actually being committed

Violent crimes committed against or by postal employees: um, local PD perhaps?

Anything I missed? I guess if I were a "federal agent," I'd be chomping at the bit for increased government presence in daily life too. But I'm not; I'm just a lowly taxpayer, who sees fewer freedoms yet more government.

Oh, and KLR: What I do for a living is my business. It's not "high speed" or "low drag"; but whatever it is, apparently it is good enough that I have to pay taxes and, thusly, your salary. (I see from your profile that you are a "federal agent.") I'll leave it at that, and take the High Road. Feel free to get in the last word if you so desire.

 

[Justin]

I'm just gonna sit here and keep an eye on the "close thread" button.

 

[KLR]

Stand by Justin!

Deej- your arguments are all fallacious. I pay taxes too- big deal. Other agencies work some of the same cases as USPIS- again, so what. I frequently work with postal inspectors, DEA agents, and FBI agents on joint cases.

My read on this- you had no idea what postal inspectors did before you submitted your post. Your subsequent arguments (other agencies, taxes) are simply a smokescreen to cover your ignorance that is now written for all to see. You got called out for being wrong and are now trying to divert attention elsewhere.

Other notes:
As far as I know, postal inspector salaries are actually paid using postal revenues- not tax money.

You mentioned Bank Fraud, Title 18, US Code 1344. Mail Fraud is described at 18 USC 1341. It is an actual offense, and it is (not surprisingly) called "mail fraud." Not sure how much more specific it needs to get. Again, your ignorance creeps out in the darndest places.

You took a shot at people who (like it or not) work to protect you. No gratitute necessary, just know what you are talking about before engaging the keyboard. Too late to "take the high road."

I had hoped you would have the intenstinal fortitude to admit you were wrong.

 

[seeker_two]

deej, I think you may want to research what the US Postal Inspection Service (USPIS) really does. Inspectors are GS-1811 Criminal Investigators, just like FBI, DEA, ATF, USSS, ICE, IRS-CI, NCIS, AFOSI, etc, etc, Special Agents. They investigate crimes using the US mail, or affecting US Postal Service employees. Paper cuts? No. More like drug smuggling, letter bombs, Identity Theft, Bank Fraud, Mail Fraud, violent crimes committed against or by postal employees. Just to name a few.

Ditto on that. USPI's often get the bomb & drug cases solved before ATF, DEA, or FBI get involved. They need the firepower. IIRC, there was a direct-to-video movie about the USPI's starring Lou Gossett Jr. at one time...

That said, will someone explain to me why the US Dept. of Agriculture & the Food & Drug Administration have armed agents?...

 

[Kharn]

That said, will someone explain to me why the US Dept. of Agriculture & the Food & Drug Administration have armed agents?...

I remember hearing about a case where the FDA was not happy with one man's sausage plant health standards and went to shut him down. He took offense at their actions and murdered two of them, I think before they could even draw their firearms.

They basically take away people's livelyhoods when they close a plant or place of business, some people do not take that well.

Kharn

 

[PaleRyder]

I doubt Beretta is too upset. I'll continue to use Berettas. I've had Sigs and several Glocks, got rid of them all, kept the Beretta.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Quote: "I doubt Beretta is too upset. I'll continue to use Berettas. I've had Sigs and several Glocks, got rid of them all, kept the Beretta."

What is it about the Sigs and Glocks you don't like? Just wondering.

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

Here is what I'm trying to figure out...some people are questioning why the USPI need to be armed, but if anyone on here was to question why they own guns and why they CCW they would flip out! The USPI have the job also, among other things that have been stated on here, is the responsibility to control mail tampering internally.

They are responsible for you Grandmas social security check to get to her on the 4th of every month. Yes, they aren't pulling over cars like police, or doing other "cool" federal work, but the fact is if you are investigating criminal activity internal AND externaly you need protection.

Would anyone on here say that a police detective should be unarmed since they have the job of investigating and not arresting?

 

[Boats]

Must be great spending other people's money. Civilian SIG and HK pricing equates to being an over the counter rip-off.

Can't begrudge every tin star wanting to be just like Jack.

 

[BerettaNut92]

Don't forget that post offices, unlike many government services, are entirely constitutional.

 

[Outbacker]

FWIW, The Actual Job Description

THE US POSTAL SERVICE

POSITION: POSTAL INSPECTOR
US Postal Service
General Manager, Headquarters Personnel Division
475 L'Enfant Plaza West, SW
Washington, DC 20260

GRADES: EAS-17 thru EAS-23

BRIEF DESCRIPTION: US Postal Inspectors have investigative jurisdiction in all criminal matters involving the integrity and security of the US Postal Service. Postal Inspectors investigate criminal and civil violations of postal laws and are responsible for financial and performance audits of the US Postal Service. Postal Inspectors are involved in investigations including mail fraud, organized crime, mail theft/burglary/robbery, drugs, pornography, bombs, extortion, and other prohibited mailings.

TRAINING: Postal Inspectors receive a 16 week Basic Training Program at the Inspection Service Training Center, Potomac, Maryland.

QUALIFICATIONS: Applicant must be a US citizen. Applicants must be between the ages of 21 and 37 years of age. Must possess a Bachelor’s Degree from an accredited college or university. Must pass a physical and psychological exam. Must pass a background investigation. Must possess a valid state driver’s license.

And must meet at least one of the following requirements:

* Postal Service employees with 2 years of supervisory, inspection, or specialized experience
* Internal Audit Experience (2 years)
* Law Enforcement Expertise (2 years, with statutory arrest authority and authority to conduct criminal investigations)
* Military Officers (Active duty for 2 years)
* Foreign Language Expertise (Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Tagalong, Russian, Japanese, who pass the proficiency exam)

_________________________________________________________________

I put the BOLD formatting on some of the text to emphasize the fact that these guys are LEOs.

For more information, check out this link:

Postal Inspectors FAQ

 

[KLR]

Thanks to Outbacker, Skunkabilly, Seeker and Mysterious for backing me up.

DMF- I seem to recall some similar exchanges (with you and I on the same side) on other boards.

 

[seeker_two]

Quote:
That said, will someone explain to me why the US Dept. of Agriculture & the Food & Drug Administration have armed agents?...


I remember hearing about a case where the FDA was not happy with one man's sausage plant health standards and went to shut him down. He took offense at their actions and murdered two of them, I think before they could even draw their firearms.

They basically take away people's livelyhoods when they close a plant or place of business, some people do not take that well.

Kharn

Good point, but that's where you bring out local LEO's to assist. When I worked for CPS, we didn't get to carry guns. We took a local LEO when we had to go to a dangerous area. Why should the Feds be any different?

I'm for many of the agencies carrying, but I also don't think that every agency (like IRS, USDA, or FDA) needs armed agents. They need to involve local & state LEO's--it's their jurisdiction.

 

[PaleRyder]

I don't like Glocks because I don't like guns with no decocker or safety. The Sig I had would not reliably feed the different brands of ammo I fed through it. The 92FS I have has fed everything.

 

[DMF]

I'm for many of the agencies carrying, but I also don't think that every agency (like IRS, USDA, or FDA) needs armed agents. They need to involve local & state LEO's--it's their jurisdiction.

Please explain to me how someone violating a FEDERAL tax law is the jurisdiction of a state or local agency? Hint - it's not, it's under the jurisdiction of the IRS-CI, a federal law enforcement agency with statutory authority from Congress to investigate crimes involving violation of FEDERAL tax laws. While you're at it, could you explain to me how someone using food stamps (a FEDERALLY funded program) in the drug trade, is under the jurisdiction of a state or local agency? Hint - it's not, because it is criminal activity affecting a USDA program Congress gave USDA-OIG specific statutory authority to investigate those crimes, and a broad range of other crimes affecting FEDERAL programs administered by the USDA.

I could go on to explain why FDA-OCI, FDA-OIG, USCP, SSA-OIG, USPP, HUD-OIG, RRB-OIG, CBP, EPA-CID, EPA-OIG, US Mint, NRC-OIG, DOL-OIG, DOT-OIG, TIGTA, USFWS, DOE-OIG, Postal-OIG, USPIS, and about 4 dozen other agencies of the federal government have their own law enforcement personnel. Every explanation will contain comments about federal laws and specific statutory authority from Congress.

Now before people start crying "let the FBI do it all." Congress wants those duties spread out the way they are. It gives Congress more control over what enforcement activities get priority. Regardless, even if there was one "super agency" that did it all, you would still have the same number of people enforcing the same laws. However, the tinhatters heads would start exploding from extreme hypertension caused by one agency having all that LE jurisdiction.

One more time, FEDERAL law = federal jurisdiction, STATE law = state jurisdiction. I am surprised people here who claim to love the Constitution, are not familiar with this concept of separate sovereigns.

 

[DMF]

DMF- I seem to recall some similar exchanges (with you and I on the same side) on other boards.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw your posts!

 

[DMF]

IIRC, there was a direct-to-video movie about the USPI's starring Lou Gossett Jr. at one time...

Oh man, I think Gossett is a good actor, and like working with USPIS on cases, but that movie sucks.

 

[KLR]

DMF-

Several postal inspectors I have talked to are seriously looking at the P-2000SK as a privately-owned weapon (assuming it ends up on the USPIS' approved list). Most are not interested in getting issued a new issue pistol (the 229) that has no weight advantage over the currently issued Beretta 92D centurion. Figure in the ambidextrous controls and interchangable backstraps, it may catch on with a lot of inspectors.

Looks like we (with a lot of help) were successful in "educating" deej. Or at least driving him away.

 

[DMF]

KLR, I was discussing this with some Inspectors about two weeks ago. They all seem to have a different weapon of choice. Some are thrilled with the 229 DAK choice, some new hires finally able to get a personal weapon have talked about getting Glocks and HKs, and a few seemed apathetic.

I realize there isn't much weight advantage of the 229, but I think it conceals better than the B92, and I just have never shot one well. If I was an Inspector I think I'd be pretty happy, although I prefer the DA/SA triggers.

I think they should be happy they have a choice. I'm stuck with what the agency gives me, with no option. Luckily I like Sigs, and the 228 is fine for me. I would personally like the 229 in .40, but rumors abound that when/if we switch it will be a 229 in .357.

Yes I agree that with help, mission accomplished.

 

[deej]

Looks like we (with a lot of help) were successful in "educating" deej. Or at least driving him away.

Remember this from my prior post in this thread?

Feel free to get in the last word if you so desire.

Your attempts to bait me into some internet pissing contest notwithstanding, it doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you.

 

[DMF]

Feel free to get in the last word if you so desire.

Hey that's pretty neat, especially since you didn't let him have the last word, but rather came back to post again.

Face it deej, you don't know what you're talking about on this subject. A few folks here, including KLR, have called you out on that, and you just aren't willing to admit it.

 

[deej]

Well, almost a day after my last post, and after I tried to bow out, you and your fellow "federal agent" refuse to let it die, and keep making little digs at me. I'm not going to apologize for thinking that there are too many federal agents running around in this country.

Care to let it rest here? You have your opinion, I have mine, we're obviously not going to come to a meeting of the minds. If you want to return to the original topic of the thread - HK vs SIG, knock yourself out. I have no opinion either way (prefer Glocks myself.) But if you're going to continue to make snide little comments at my expense, I'll speak up.

 

[Rockrivr1]

To take this thread in a semi different direction:

Quote: " I would personally like the 229 in .40, but rumors abound that when/if we switch it will be a 229 in .357."

I currently own a 229 that came in 40 S&W. I also purchased the factory 357 Sig bbl for it as well. While both rounds are good IMO, the 357 definitely has more recoil and muzzle flip in comparison to the 40 S&W. At least in my 229. YOMV.