greyling22
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if you had the option between a new vortex diamondback HP and a used sightron sii with $35 sitting on top of it, which would you grab? sopes are in the 3-15 to 4-16x range.
sightron sii or diamondback HP
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cdb1
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The area where I live is a barren wasteland when it comes to Sightron. I’ve never seen one in a store nor have I seen one anywhere.
Sightron definitely. But first ask yourself this. Which offers you the adjustable objective or parallax adjustment and will the internal elevation adjustment give you enough elevation to shoot the distance you require. Clarity and brightness is all very subjective too so which do you like the most. I own three Sightrons but they serve distinct purposes and they all have great glass and warranty too.
Skylerbone
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I would and have chosen Sightron. The single Diamondback I’ve seen up-close had ok glass and wicked short eye relief. Told dad to return it, which he did.
rbernie
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From personal experience with both optics - Sightron.
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greyling22
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thanks guys. My personal experience with sightron has been limited to an s1 4-12x, and it was significantly better for me than a regular diamondback, a fullfield 2, or a redfield revolution. Optically as good as my mueller apv, but with better turret feel. Unfortunately, the sightron vanished while I was dithering. I've seen a couple stainless sightron scopes, but I don't know that I want a silver scope on a blued and walnut gun. I could still get the diamondback HP from midway, but I kind of wish I could find a better scope for equal money. I've been scouring the forums I belong to, but have been unable to find anything promising as of yet. I'm looking for a 3-15x or a 4-16x, in the nikon monarch, weaver grand slam, sightron s2, viper category, for 200-250. Those are stinking hard to find. natchez has come clearance nikons, but I'm a little leery of nikons warranty, and I'm not really a fan of their DBC reticle. I would like something with a couple holdovers or mildot or something more than a simple duplex.
If you happen to come across something, or have something in a drawer gathering dust, let me know.
If you happen to come across something, or have something in a drawer gathering dust, let me know.
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greyling22
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Okay, I searched hard and I found another deal on a sightron sii 4-16x42 on ebay. bought it for a little less than the diamond back hp. Hopefully when it shows up in hand I will like it. I certainly liked the sightron s1 better than the regular diamondback.
bassjam
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The Diamondback HP isn't really comparable to the normal Diamondback line. It's essentially a Viper, it's even made in the Philippines like the Viper's are and not China where the other Diamondback's are made.
Skylerbone
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What he bought was the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-12x40mm from Cabelas. Eye relief was listed as 3.8” and as measured it was just a shade over 3”. As the intended purpose was a gift to my daughter for her 6.5 Creedmoor, and she was 12 at the time, I felt more eye relief was the safer choice.
Overall the DT is a nice enough scope, but my choice would still be an SII or STAC for my eyes and tracking.
Very good scopes for the money imho, especially when they first dropped in price which was lower that what they are now. That’s when I bought both of mine.
rbernie
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As a data point - when I place my Vortex Viper 2x-10 and my STAC 2x-10x side by side, the Sightron wins every time in terms of glass and turret / erector repeatability.
bassjam
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Fair enough. I have no experience with Sightron, I was just saying a regular Chinese Diamondback isn't comparable to the HP line.
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greyling22
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well, I've got to say, I'm disappointed in the sightron. when I compare it to my nitrex tr1 6-20 (basically a grand slam, set on 14x) and my mueller apv, and my weaver grand slam (3-12x), it appears to be darker and less clear. On a cloudy day, I see less detail, like it's slightly out of focus, and it is noticeably darker than the other scopes. That said, mechanically, it feels fantastic. But I don't think I'm going to keep it. My eyes and it do not get along. The crosshairs are nice and crisp, but downrange, I was seeing my bullet holes more easily with the 12x grand slam than I was with the 16x sightron. Do you think it needs to go back to see sightron?
I wonder if I should try that diamondback HP (supposedly the older viper's glass) or try and find a clearance nikon. maybe something like these
https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-M-TACTICAL-Riflescope-223-4-16X42SF-Matte-BDC600-16518.aspx
https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-BLACK-FX1000-Riflescope-4-16x50SF-Matte-FX-MOA-FFP-16511.aspx
https://www.natchezss.com/nikon-monarch-m5-rifle-scope-4-16x50-sf-30mm-mk1-moa-reticle-matte.html
https://www.natchezss.com/refurbished-nikon-monarch-3-rifle-scope-4-16x42mm-sfp-bdc-matte.html
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/102005477 the bushnell nitro's looked good, but I've seen some reports on here about them crapping out.
I have a buddy in the army that said he would be willing to use his discount to get me a scope. Anybody know of any deals that might be available there?
I wonder if I should try that diamondback HP (supposedly the older viper's glass) or try and find a clearance nikon. maybe something like these
https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-M-TACTICAL-Riflescope-223-4-16X42SF-Matte-BDC600-16518.aspx
https://www.eurooptic.com/Nikon-BLACK-FX1000-Riflescope-4-16x50SF-Matte-FX-MOA-FFP-16511.aspx
https://www.natchezss.com/nikon-monarch-m5-rifle-scope-4-16x50-sf-30mm-mk1-moa-reticle-matte.html
https://www.natchezss.com/refurbished-nikon-monarch-3-rifle-scope-4-16x42mm-sfp-bdc-matte.html
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/102005477 the bushnell nitro's looked good, but I've seen some reports on here about them crapping out.
I have a buddy in the army that said he would be willing to use his discount to get me a scope. Anybody know of any deals that might be available there?
rbernie
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Yes - I've never had an experience like that with any of my SIIs.
cdb1
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I’ve never seen a Sightron in person but have never heard anything bad about them until now. My guess is there are two possibilities most likely:
1) The scope is defective
2) You don’t see well through Sightron
There are a few brands I don’t see that well through: Swarovski, Vortex and Nikon, with the exception of the original Buckmasters and the PROSTAFF Target EFR 3-9x40 AO.
1) The scope is defective
2) You don’t see well through Sightron
There are a few brands I don’t see that well through: Swarovski, Vortex and Nikon, with the exception of the original Buckmasters and the PROSTAFF Target EFR 3-9x40 AO.
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greyling22
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I'm not sure it's defective, and I bought it used, so there's that. But more like if I was to optically rate them on an arbitrary 1-10 scale, the sightron would be a 4.5, a leupold freedom a 5, the aPV a 6, the nitrex a 6, and the grand slam a 7. It may just be an eyeball thing. My vision is.....defective, even after laser surgery.
mechanically I'd rate them sightron an 8, grand slam/nitrex as a 7, leupold and mueller a 4.
mechanically I'd rate them sightron an 8, grand slam/nitrex as a 7, leupold and mueller a 4.
I'd email Sightron and ask them to look at the scope. I've never had one either, but that sounds like an actual issue. One of the interior lense coatings maybe degrading or something similar.
I kind of wish I'd seen that site before buying my Athlon. I'm hardly an expert, but the two rimfire Nikons I have seem pretty amazing to me.
Txhillbilly
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If there is anything wrong with the Sightron, they will fix or replace it. My old SII broke a few years ago after years of use / abuse. The elevation turret stem came loose.
I bought the scope used,but Sightron repaired it for free. They have excellent CS. I also have 4 Sightron SIII's,and have never had an issue with any of them.
Sightron makes some great scopes, I just wish that they wouldn't lag behind everyone else when it comes to reticle choices, locking turret's, and zero stop's on their scopes. It sure would save me a lot of money if they did, I really hate spending $2k - $3k on scopes just because Sightron won't catch up with the current options that other companies offer.
I bought the scope used,but Sightron repaired it for free. They have excellent CS. I also have 4 Sightron SIII's,and have never had an issue with any of them.
Sightron makes some great scopes, I just wish that they wouldn't lag behind everyone else when it comes to reticle choices, locking turret's, and zero stop's on their scopes. It sure would save me a lot of money if they did, I really hate spending $2k - $3k on scopes just because Sightron won't catch up with the current options that other companies offer.
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