SIGophiles - you need to read this

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I read that thread. It is definitely not what you'll read about SIG in gun magazines! Wow!

No SIGS for me until this gets sorted out. I prefer the looks and steel frame of my CZ-75B, anyway. Thankfully, I'm not compelled to carry a make of pistol that I distrust. Many in law enforcement are.

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Six months after our transition (about 1500 rounds through the weapon) I noticed the begining of a mushroom-shaped piece of wear and associated small crack at the rear of the breach block (...) grooves being worn into the slide rails, takedown lever holes being worn to almost twice the initial diameter, trigger pivot pins breaking in supported regions etc
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Wow. Um. Gee.

This is really odd. Sig being Sig, I imagine we'll know shortly after they do exactly what the problem is. Sounds like something metallurgical to me. He does mention that the problems are recent guns, and it could just be a bad run. Still, I imagine Sigarms would've caught that.

I've never had anything like that happen to any of my Sigs, and I've had a couple with ~5000 rounds through them (on my 220, I stopped counting around 6500). Sometimes springs wear and need replacement, but wow...this is unlike anything I've heard.

That said, I've heard a few isolated complaints about "American" Sigs (as opposed to the "Made in Germany" ones) not being fitted quite as well, and I have to admit that both P239s I owned came tight from the factory and degenerated into rattletraps by 500 rounds, but they still shot just fine.

Still, something like this...weird. I'm almost tempted to get a Glo...oh, what am I thinking?!? It's time to go feed my Sigs...
 
Great. My beloved 220ST that I bought a year ago might fall apart before 1,500 rounds. I agree with the poster a few posts above, I won't buy another Sig until this gets sorted out.
 
Surefire, your ST should be good, but I agree - I wouldn't buy a non-ST until this is cleared up.....hrmm.
 
Surefire, your ST should be good, but I agree - I wouldn't buy a non-ST until this is cleared up.....hrmm.
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Why would the ST be good and not the others? Is it cause the standard (non-ST) frame is alloy?
 
That sucks, I would be majorly P.O.ed if I spent $650+ on a sig and had it turn out to be a real POS... I've thought about getting a P228 in 9mm a few times but it just seemed to feel out of place in my hand (plus the XD was wayyy cheaper). Glad I didn't buy one.

Why does it seem like all the reputable firearms manufacturers have gone to crap in the last 5 or so years?
 
Why does it seem like all the reputable firearms manufacturers have gone to crap in the last 5 or so years?
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Maybe because the internet allows all this "information" to flow so freely... We are hearing about many more problems than we normally would have... The sad part is that even If this isn't true, OR SIG gets everything straightened out, it's going to haunt them for some time...
 
I'd like some way to verify the credibility of that story.

One of the local agencies in my area uses Sig 220Rs as duty weapon for all officers, including the SWAT team. Those SWAT guys train constantly, and put lots of rounds down range. None of the guys have ever complained of any problems with their Sigs. So I'm curious what is the true source of this story.
 
I was thinking the same thing, I read through both threads and there is no link provided in either of them for verification of credibility.
 
Why does it seem like all the reputable firearms manufacturers have gone to crap in the last 5 or so years?
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Gee, one thread on a discussion board about a possible bad run on Sigs and suddenly "all the reputable firearms manufacturers have gone to crap"?

Anyone who has ever manufactured a large number of anything has at one time or another had problems. I'm a big fan of Sig, but also not an appologist for anyone. That said, every contact I've had with Sig has told me two things: 1) they make outstanding products that consistently work well and last a long time and 2) they do whatever is necessary to make right any problems that their customers have had. I doubt that this situation will be any different.

Baby, bathwater, you know the drill...
 
The SIG P220 has always had a problem with small parts failures (usually starting around 3K rounds). Like anything else mechanical some individual weapons may be better (or worse) than most. When you get a large number of weapons in a single organization that keeps good records, problems become more obvious--the G19 problem identified by the NYPD is a good example.
 
DMF - I agree - as I said initially ''seems'' troubling. Obiwan is a long time member here and with TFL and I'd not expect him to post carelessly.

However, it does seem we need some better clarification on the source of the material, the better to assess it. I was not trying to do other than bring this to folk's attention, hoping that eventually we will have more facts and sources.

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Oops! Obi' - did not notice you'd dropped in to post. Thx for that. I agree, re the ''pet'' pistol!! :p
 
De Nada

I was also simply trying to make a public service announcement.

Hopefully everyone will not assume the sky is falling

Hopefully Sig owners will look over their pistols...just in case

Much like when the NYPD had their problems with G19's, I didn't toss mine in the dumper...but awareness is a good thing
 
http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-b...c;f=56;t=001111
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Yeah, thats the same thread I read. It's linked to over at Sigforum.com as well, with the same discussion taking place.

Knowing your pistol is just good practice and asking questions about it is a great way to learn. I wasn't trying to imply that Sigs are perfect and that they never have problems with my baby->bathwater comment. Just keep things in perspective.

One thing Sig owners should definitely pay attention to is the double roll pins holding the firing pin block into the slide (on non-milled slides, obviously), particularly on the P220. This should be flush on both sides of the slide. If it's not, it's broken and should immediately be replaced by a Sig armorer. The gun will continue to fire reliably, but accuracy will gradually degrade and a great deal more stress will be placed on the frame rails as the block comes loose. This will cause them to eventually crack and probably cause other damage to the gun as well.
 
Okay. question here. We know that the 220 has been offered in .45ACP, 9mm, and I believe .38 Super in the past. Now, what caliber was the starting point? We all know that most .40s were upgunned from 9mm pistols, making wear and tear on the frame harder on the .40 models. The USP is the only pistol I know of that was designed for the .40 and downgraded to 9mm, making fatigue problems in the 9mm almost unheard of. If the 220 was originally designed as a 9mm (which I suspect since it is a European gun), what changes did Sig make to alleviate stress on the .45 models, since their frames would have to be thinned to fit the .45? If the answer is none, well... :banghead:
 
That said, I've heard a few isolated complaints about "American" Sigs (as opposed to the "Made in Germany" ones) not being fitted quite as well, and I have to admit that both P239s I owned came tight from the factory and degenerated into rattletraps by 500 rounds, but they still shot just fine.
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And on the same note, I've talked with some reputable people who find that Sigs have never been better.

There's way too little information to come to any conclusions at this point.
 
The USP is the only pistol I know of that was designed for the .40 and downgraded to 9mm, making fatigue problems in the 9mm almost unheard of.
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The Sig P229 was also designed for the .40 but offered in 9mm
 
Sigs

I have 4 Sigs, no problems with any of them. They are top of the line in combat handguns as far as I am concerned. Anything can happen to any device,but if I was to be in a life threatening situation I would want a Sig in my hands.



Sig P220ST
Sig P226 Stainless
Sig P230 Stainless
Sig P245
 
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