SIGS...why so much?

[brickboy240]

Buying one used makes more sense.

I bought a Browining BDA 45ACP about a year ago and love it. The BDA is basically an early Sig 220 45 single stack with the European heel mag release. Paid right at 375 for it.

This has been the most accurate and reliable d/a pistol I have ever owned. Definately the most reliable 45ACP I have ever owned! Actually, it is the only d/a pistol I own (mainly a Hi-Power/1911 shooter) and I will never give it up.

Thats probably why they're so expensive: reliability and build quality.

- Brickboy240

 

[Gary G23]

That comparison doesn't work as well with a CZ...well-engineered, well-finished, affordable, very accurate, broad product line.
/B

Actually it does. CZ slides and frames are cast (with the exception of the P-01 frame). Casting costs less than machining from a solid block of steel or aluminum. I'm NOT saying CZs or Glocks are not good guns. I own four CZs myself. I'm just saying that Sigs manufacturing processes are what makes them expensive.

Let's compare a Surefire E2E flashlight with a Surefire G2 flashlight. Both use two 123 batteries and have the same output from their xenon bulbs. The E2E costs three times what the G2 does. It's because the E2E is machined from a solid aluminum bar.

 

[scubie02]

Scubie02, can you be more precise in what you mean by ho-hum in the accuracy department? I have owned 2 Sig P220s and have never had a problem with their accuracy.

Thanks..

oh, don't get me wrong, there was nothing wrong with the accuracy--it was on par in my experience with the average autoloading pistol of that variety, and actually slightly better than the Walther P99 I had at the same time. By ho-hum accuracy I mean if just banging them off at 25 feet or so in a leisurely fashion (not slow shooting for maximum accuracy or using a rest--just offhand leisurely) it would do between baseball and softball sized groups or so, depending on how fast I was shooting. (The Walther would have done more the softball sized groups on average). By comparison, I can fire my xd service faster and more comfortably/naturally, and on a good day get golfball sized groups, with a baseball sized group being a poor shooting day. The first time I shot it my brother said "wow, which gun is that, you shoot it way better than those other two". Of course, part of that may just be personal preference with the xd and its sights "fitting" me better, but even taking my time with the sig or walther I wouldn't have been able to get the groups I can easily shoot with my xd. But that is of course a small sample--another sig might have been more accurate, anoter xd less (though My xd subcompact is also very accurate). I did however shoot my former gf's dad's 229 as well, as he asked me to because he could never "hit anything with it" and since he had seen me shoot my 1911's very accurately wanted to see how I shot the sig. I was able to shoot it much better than him, but really got comparably sized groups to what I would have shot with my sig. Again I will stress, this was fine, just not outstanding, but not out of character for the style pistol (service type). I would compare it to your average bolt gun (deer rifle) that shot 1 1/2"-2" groups--that would be decent, not unusual, perfectly adequate, common, but not oustanding, if you see what I mean? Just average.

A few thoughts (in relation to other posts, not in reply to hylander)--it would be more appropriate in my mind to compare a sig pro to a glock (which is why I mentioned it), since they would be the comparable polymer models, and they are as a result comparably priced, with the pro possibly cheaper actually. I see what people mean when they say they can get a reliable service pistol much cheaper in a glock--this is true, but its not really a comparable model as far as price you are comparing to, and you could get a perfectly serviceable/reliable sig in the pro for cheaper too.

Finally...aren't Sig's technically Swiss, not German...?

 

[Pietro Beretta]

The first time I shot a sig p220 it jammed on the second round

Thats right, it was a range gun, good th is is the rest of the 200 rounds I put through it fired fine.

I will say this gun was VERY accurate!

 

[outofbattery]

Their "Classic P-series" (P220, P225, P226, P228, P229, P230, P232, P239,
and P245 rank among the world's best quality firearms~!

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I've seen people say this many times pretty much saying in a backhanded manner that the Pro's aren't worthy when in my experience,they're among the best pistols SIG has made. In terms of accuracy they're as good if not better and at least my 2340 has the best trigger of any of the SIG Sauers I've owned: 220,225,226 previously and the 230 and 239 that I still own. I also own a Glock and an HK ( along with S&W,Walther and Beretta polymer framed autos ) and think the plastic SIG gives nothing up at all to them and is in fact better in most ways.
I like SIG Sauers;they're well made,reliable and shoot as well as one generally needs a service type pistol to work.Whether they are "better" is subjective and I tend to not get into those types of peeing matches nor am I a marque cheerleader.I won't,can't afford more like it, to pay new,full retail prices for them but most of mine have been in the $400 range and I reckon they've all been worth that.It's a good thing some people are willing to foot the bill on new ones though,wouldn't be any affordable ones for us bottomfeeders otherwise!

 

[porterdog]

Hrm.... my carry weapon is a 228. I like it, but it's not worth $800. I paid just under $600 (new) about a year ago IIRC.

The finish is lame. Kydex holster took it off pretty quickly and until I worked out a better wipe-down regime I'd get some surface rusting faster than I would have expected.

The big appeal to me was reliability and safety. They do work every time; I'm probably between 4-5k rounds and haven't ever had a non-pilot-error type issue. I also really like the TDA/decocker setup; the long first pull is both comforting and easy to train through. The fact that they are in use by many branches of armed forces across the world backs this up.

SIG's rep for customer service is outstanding. I've heard of cracked frames at Very High round counts being replaced free of charge.

I agree with Scubie02 in the accuracy department: acceptable, but not outstanding IMO. Certainly some of that could be me- I'm not super comfortable with the stock sights for precise shooting (but then that's not what they're for). At the same time, I can draw and put two quick ones about 2" apart in a paper plate about 10 yards out. I trust it.

They're good weapons. There are other good weapons. Buy what works for you.

$0.01,
Robert

 

[carolinaman]

Hi there,

In the '70's and '80's, Sigs were more expensive due to fluctuary exchange rates between W. Germany and the US. Now they are simply more expensive due to the high demand and number of US/Foreign contracts Sig has earned in the US and Worldwide.

In my opinion, the "pre-owned" Sigs are worth the money. I can't and won't spend that money on a "new" handgun like a SIG when there are so many other comparable handguns in the market.

Chris

 

[brickboy240]

Look in the holsters of the law enforcement officers in your city/state/county...if they're not carrying Glocks (or 1911s here in Texas)...they most likely have some form of Sig autopistol.

- Brickboy240