Single Action On CZ75? Why?

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What is the point of buying one of the CZ75's they now offer that are Single Action Only? I like single action, and I like CZ but if I'm going to get a CZ75 I'm getting one that takes advantage of the security offered by Double Action. If I want a browning style 9mm in SAO I'll get a Hi-Power.
 
Well, one reason I can think of, is that the single action trigger reach is shorter than the double action trigger reach.
Double action, I can't reach the trigger on a CZ, single action makes it very nice.:)
 
If I want a browning style 9mm in SAO I'll get a Hi-Power.
I love BHP but they are a couple hundred more than a CZ and the CZ has a much better trigger out of the box.
 
I don't have a clue as my CZ quickly becomes a SA as soon as I rack it's slide or pull it's hammer back. I love the SA pull on my Pre-B.

The DA pull is a little on the long side, but is easily manageable for me if I decide to even use it.
 
Manufactures try to capture market share. They make guns with features that their marketing department determines people want at price points to entice customers. !911 are single action and they are selling, so why not sell a single action CZ. Several years ago DAO Sigs made an appearance, have not seen them much any more. And most everybody is making striker fired pistols (complements of Glock)- simple , consistent trigger pull.
 
A lot of people like the idea of carrying "cocked & locked" like a 1911, and only carry that way. There's no need for DA if you're one of those folks, so I assume they'd go with the more simple SA only pistol.
 
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What is the point of buying one of the CZ75's they now offer that are Single Action Only?

The CZ 75 DA/SA pistols have a long trigger pull, whether in da or sa mode. Yes I know, in SA they have a lighter pull; but they also have a lot of "take-up" before the trigger engages the disconnector. Part of this is due to the firing pin interrupt, but most is due to the combined DA-SA trigger linkage geometry.

Look at the trigger type and position on the SA. With some simple polishing and a better hammer, the triggers are really high quality.

BTW, I shoot a 75B DA/SA with triggerwork done to it. Maybe 6+# DA and 2-2.5# SA. My DA trigger is approx. 1/4" farther back than the stock trigger, so the pull is shortened considerably.
The SA version trigger is a much shorter pull-very comparable to a good 1911-type .

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Single Action On CZ75? Why?
What is the point of buying one of the CZ75's they now offer that are Single Action Only? I like single action, and I like CZ but if I'm going to get a CZ75 I'm getting one that takes advantage of the security offered by Double Action. If I want a browning style 9mm in SAO I'll get a Hi-Power.

The 75b and the 75sa aren't the same gun. Even if you make the 75b SAO they would be different. The 75sa has a different frame with higher swept beaver tail which allows for higher grip on the frame.. It has an extended mag release which won't fit on a 75b. It has extended ambi safeties. The 75sa 9mm has a different slide than a 75b in 9mm. I think that's it. Here's a pic of my 75b compact with my 75 sa for comparison. Even though it's a compact it has the same general features of a full size 75b. The compact is sao in this picture by the way. Mark

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railroader, depends on the model.
A polycoat 75b in 9mm isn't the same as a polycoat 75sa. Now some of the stainless 75b pistols use the same style frame and mag release as the 75sa but the standard 75b is different. Just look at them at cz custom. I have owned a regular 75b too. Here's a pic of a standard polycoat 75b 9mm. http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/49917/gunstuff/CZ-75B.jpg Just compare it to the 75sa
 
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Why? Because the DA trigger on stock CZ pistols suck, IMO. I used to EDC a CZ 75D PCR and retired it for a SIG RCS 1911. I plan to send the PCR off to get worked on, may start carrying it again, maybe not.
 
I only use my CZ75 in single action, much like a do a 1911. That DA trigger is not to my liking. I wouldn't care much if it did only come in single action. I like CZ75s more than BHPs and 1911s for that matter. The DA is good for snap caps because you don't have to recock it and you get a challenging trigger to train with.
 
The 75b and the 75sa aren't the same gun. Even if you make the 75b SAO they would be different. The 75sa has a different frame with higher swept beaver tail which allows for higher grip on the frame.. It has an extended mag release which won't fit on a 75b. It has extended ambi safeties. The 75sa 9mm has a different slide than a 75b in 9mm. I think that's it. Here's a pic of my 75b compact with my 75 sa for comparison. Even though it's a compact it has the same general features of a full size 75b. The compact is sao in this picture by the way. Mark

A number of points, here, most right, but a few things need to be updated.

The old 75B has a different frame, but the newer 75B in Stainless appears to have the same frame as the 75BSA, including the ability to accommodate the extended (reversible) mag release, and it comes with both the “improved” beavertail and ambi-safeties (albeit smaller levers, I think). The 85 Combat has an extended mag release, and it can be fitted to the older 75B -- if that's important. I don't find the "extended" releases to be noticeably/functionally all that different. The 75BSA extended release will probably fit the 75B Stainless model, if it's not already installed (I don't know). You can also install the 85 Combat trigger (which has an overtravel adjustment) in the 75b frame, too.

So some of the advantages of the 75BSA have already been incorporated into newer 75Bs.

As best I can tell, visually comparing and measuring, the SA frame does NOT allow a higher grip. The part of the respective frames where the hand interacts with the frame are identical -- only the end of the beavertail is different, and in the 75B SA, it curls up and away from the hand. It certainly looks better.

The slightly different slide of the 75BSA (in 9mm) is mostly a difference of looks, not a functional difference. It has to be just a hair heavier, as there is more metal at the muzzle end, but I doubt anyone would be able to really tell the difference when shooting.

Note: the .40 version uses a still-different slide, and a full-length guide rod. The .40 version has extended rails, but the extended portion is minimally narrower than the rest of the rails, and DO NOT ENGAGE the frame. The 9mm doesn't even have the "cosmetic" extended rails.

The larger ambi-safeties on the 75B SA models are a big improvement, and I've thought about installing them on my 85 Combat. The safety on the older 75B model is smaller – a bit like the smaller safeties on the Browning Hi-Power.

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Why would anyone want a 75B in SA? Put simply, the 75B is one of the most ergonomic pistols available -- it just FITS more hands better than just about anything else available. Unhappily, the DA Trigger pull is long and not every hand can deal with it. CZs "point" very naturally. Hard to find that in a lot of guns.

Carrying a DA/SA model cocked-and-locked gives you a slightly "easier to start" weapon, and the first and subsequent trigger pulls are always the same -- not the case with DA/SA guns. While a DA/SA gives you the option of a SA start, you still have the “second strike” ability of other DA guns – if you consider that important.

(Note: I've shot IDPA for a number of years, and worked as Safety Officer and scorekeeper at many matches. DA/SA guns have a different first and second trigger pull, and in matches you'll notice that even with better shooters have larger groups on the first several shots than those shooting SA guns. This can be trained around, and some shooters get it right – but many don't.)

Why not just get a BHP?

Price is one reason. I have a BHP (an older T-series), and it's a fine gun, but I take the Czs I own to the range far more frequently.

Which shoots better? For me, they're about the same. The BHP is a bit narrower, but the CZ seems to fit ME better. Others find the Browning/FNs fit them better. Properly gunsmithed, both can have wonderful SA triggers.

Anyone interested in CZs should visit the CZ Custom Shop to see the various options available. A highly gunsmithed CZ from that shop will compete favorably with just about anything available, and still be less expensive.

http://czcustom.com/cz-custom-pistols.aspx
 
I hate to rock the boat, but it doesn't matter if a CZ is set up for SAO or DA/SA. The SA trigger pull can be equally good in either.

The quality of the break has nothing to do with the trigger function itself.
 
I hate to rock the boat, but it doesn't matter if a CZ is set up for SAO or DA/SA. The SA trigger pull can be equally good in either.

The quality of the break has nothing to do with the trigger function itself.

Agreed. The differences are matters of ease or convenience -- larger safety levers in the case of the SA model, or a trigger that can be adjusted for take-up -- in the SA model.

I've got a custom AT-84s (from back when the CZ "clones" were true clones) and it has a DA trigger that is very, very smooth, and a SA trigger that is as good as any SA gun I've shot. It was gunsmithed by somebody who knew what he was doing.

As you've noted elsewhere, parts and knowhow are what matters, and those can be applied to the DA/SA models.

(Your point was accepted and implied in my response, above -- as you'll note I said nothing about the trigger QUALITY difference between the DA/SA and SA guns. I like the adjustable trigger, but think the rest of it is -- the differences -- more apparent than meaningful.)


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