Single or Double action?

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I am considering purchasing a CZ 75 and see that there is a double action and a single action version. I assume (possibly incorrectly) that the single action has to be cocked manually to fire the first round and then the recoil operates the hammer, with substantially lighter trigger pull weight? (for lack of a better description) With the double action it is like a double action revolver no? It can be manually cocked and have a nice trigger pull or be shot double action with a heavy trigger pull? Does the trigger pull get lighter after the first shot?

Have I completely missed the differences here? Yes, I did read the sticky.
 
The single action version should be carried like a 1911 or Browning HiPower (Condition 1 or Condition 3). To make this easy, it has an ambidextrous safety, so it can be carried locked and cocked.

For the double action, recoil resets the hammer to the single action position.

There's another option on the CZ's, the decocker, to allow the CZ to be fired double action, but safely lower the hammer.
 
Hey viscous-Peanut

THe original DOuble Action pistol was the Waltehr PP/PPK pistol
of 1929 - it combined the first shot capabillity of a double action
revolver for the first shot - i.e. the loaded magazine is placed in the
gun - operate the slide back and forward to chamber a round. the
hammer is cocked. Engage the thum safety on the slide and
it is Condition One, that is loaded, Cocked & Locked however if
you thumb the safety off, the hammer falls to a half cock position
and then unlike when the hammer is fully cocked where you would
call it a single action pull because it is just releasing the cocked hammer
it goes to Double Action mode - a longer trigger travel that cocks the hammer fully, for that first shot. subsequent rounds are back to the
shorter travel single action trigger pull.

The first full size service pistol with the same operation as
above was the Walther P-38. The Browning HI-Power of the same
decade has the same Single Action only trigger action as a
1911, once the round is chambered thumb the safety on and
it's Condition One - Cocked and locked, and that's the way it is
carried by some people. I mention the Browning Hi-Power vecause
it hwas the first full size/service pistol to have a high capacity
magazine.

Roll time forward to 1975.

The CZ 75 combined the high cap.; magazine with a grip frame
much like a Browning Hi-Power but it also had a DA/SA trigger action
Double action for the first shot then Single Action for subsequent
shots HOWEVER it has thumb safety which is ONLY a thumb
safety iit simply is on safe or is off safe, ifor the first shot to be Double
Action the user must let the hammer down by operating the trigger
while easing the hammer down with another digit perhaps with the
opposite hand. then the it can be carried with the hammer down and a
double action pull for the first shot, then single action.

Still with me?

THe CZ 75B is a mod. to the original design in that it has a firing pin
block so that if you dropped the gun, the firing pin won't by
inertia flung forward and strike the primer causing the gun to discharge.
This was added in 1993 and most if I am not mistaken further
variants of the design include the firing pin block.

so, a CZ 75 or 75B first shot Double Action or first shot Single Action but
it should have had the thumb safety employed for safe carry then you can
just fire single action, and if you aren't through with the magazine you have the option of putting the thumb safety on, or easing the ahammer down to go back to DA for the first shot.

Variants

CZ 75BD the D suffix means it no longer has a thumb safety, it has been changed in function to be a Decocker. First shot DOuble Action subsequent shots SIngle Action and when you pause to reholster instead of thumbing the safety on, or easing ithe hammer down manually, you operate the Decocker and the hammer goes to half cock OK?

Another Variant,

SP-01 is SINGLE ACTION ONLY

THis means it works like a Browning HI-Power or 1911, it is
Single Action only, load a mag, rack the slide and the
hammer is cocked - put the thumb safety on to holster it
for carry, when drawing to fire it thumb the safety off and
it's SIngle action triggerr pull every shot.

Some shooters with the heavier DA first shot have a different
Point of Impact with the first shot versus the subsequent lighter
and shorter travel Single Action trigger pull. This is why some
makes or models have been modified to Double Action (trigger pull)
Only or a DAO pistol.

I hope that clarifies things - the AMbidextrious safety has nothing to
do with the DA/SA trigger action options.




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Thanks BlindJustice, that really did explain things. Not sure which model I plan on going with though. It will mostly be a range pistol but may serve as a home defense pistol and eventually may be a CC pistol.
 
V P - you are welcome!

I plan on getting a CZ 75B as my next handgun, thanks G.W. with my
tax rebate. ANyway, I already have a 1911 so I like the option of
the DA -OR- SA with thumb safety on, as I can carry it just like my 1911
but have the DA option if I care to employ it. SOmetimes you run into
guys see the cocked hammer of a pistol in COndition ONe and they think
it;s the most dangerous thing in the world. So a hammer down condition
with a DA first shot whether it is in your holster or that is how you put it
in the vedside drawer, allows more options than the Decocker version in my
opinion.


FYI - SOme say the original CZ 75 didn't have any one thing that is unique having the DA/SA trigger, and high capacity mag, along with a better trigger design than the Browning Hi-Power, as well as the slide rails being
inside the frame, which the the SIg 210 which was legendary for it's accuracy - I think the combination of them all on one platform was unique in 1975. I'm not sure if I could name a DA/SA pistol that also allows COndition One carry up to the intro of the CZ 75.


I'm also getting a CZ 75B in 9MM as the 9MM is cheaper in these days of rising ammo costs for a more economical option for range visits

Oh, it's also a good value for the money, the pistol that is.







I am "old School" a 1911 type
 
I think I am going to go with the Normal 75B, I don't care for the decocker version and I like the option of being able to carry either hammer cocked safety on or hammer down like you mentioned. I will be getting the 9mm mainly for range practice.
 
I have a related question- Is the CZ SAO trigger any better than the regular DA/SA CZ trigger on single action mode?
 
Small correction, everyone. The SP-01 is not single action only. It's DA/SA. The 75B SA is the single action only model.
And good choice on the 75B. Can't go wrong.
 
Blind Justice wrote,
Engage the thum safety on the slide and
it is Condition One, that is loaded, Cocked & Locked
That is incorrect. The PP or any similar pistols cannot be carried cocked and locked. Any time you engage the safety/decocker it drops the hammer and the safety is engaged. If you then take the safety off the pistol is now in Double action mode and will fire with the longer, heavier trigger pull.
The CZ-75B is one of the few modern Da/Sa pistols that allows condition one carry.
 
Ok, I stand corrected on which CZ 75B is Single Action Only the "SA"
FYI I think the SP01 is the CZ 75 variant that was adopted by the
Czech Army to their spec.

QUestion about the Walther, so insert the Mag, rack the slide and is the
hammer automatically dropped?
so it forces the operator to DA first shot? and unless you
use the thumb safety it's COndition Zero after the first shot?
( there's one in a gun shop S&W Walter PPK/S Stainless Steel
marked down to $440 so I'm tempted )


I think I did correctly state the CZ 75/75B is one of the only DA/SA
semi-autos that allows COndition One but it was a
a long post and I didn't proofread it.
 
Blind Justice.
QUestion about the Walther, so insert the Mag, rack the slide and is the
hammer automatically dropped?
Nope. Insert mag, rack slide and pistol is in single action. Apply safety/decocker and hammer drops and safety is engaged so one cannot fire the pistol. Disengage safety and pistol is in double action and a longer and heavier pull will retract the hammer and then fall and fire the pistol.
 
^^ If the safety is on when you rack the slide on a PP, the hammer drops, automatically. See my vid of a PP clone in another thread - FEG PA-63
 
Hey all, I really like this thread we stayed focused on the O.P's question which was Single Action or Double Action then in his further expansion on
his question was WHich CZ 75 and ***? We didn't get bogged down or cr
criticise as to which basic or variant was better some people just declared. Others left it open and also came up with explanations as to my not quite getting it right with the original DA Semi-AUto the Walther PP - where it seems the jury may still be out... but that's cool because it makes us all learn from the O.P. to myself. I learned something to on this one

I appllaud y'all for staying on topic and expanding the experience for us all.

Randall
 
^^ If the safety is on when you rack the slide on a PP, the hammer drops, automatically. See my vid of a PP clone in another thread - FEG PA-63
Good point. I use the the safety/decocker on my pistols as a decocker only, so it is usually not engaged when I load a pistol.
I will load the mag, rack slide, engage safety/decocker, disengage safety.
Sorry for any confusion on my part.
 
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