Why do people say Glocks and other striker fired pistols are not Single Action?

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As to the question about firing a round with an already dented primer, it may fire, it may not. Usually if it has a significant hit, it won't fire. If it is just a dimple, such as what happens when a SIG's hammer falls on a slightly out-of-battery slide, the round will probably fire if it is ejected and rechambered, or if the slide is smacked into battery (harder to do on a hammered gun than it is on a strikered gun)
 
Hell, I even own a 9mm Hi-Point. "Let's not start THAT debate". But it's a very good, reliable, and dependable gun. I will use it stored in my garage; spare room in the house; in my truck; in my camping/hunting gear; etc... I won't carry it. I won't keep a round chambered. (Because it is truly a single action striker fired with the firing pin held back under constant tension, even with a safety). So while it's a very good gun and has it's uses, I also recognize it's shortcomings. But my Springfield and Kimber 1911A1's also have shortcomings.

I would say that just about every gun I've ever owned, shot, saw, or researched has it's shortcomings. Even my beloved Sig P220 has it's shortcomings. 1) Low magazine capacity. "Not important to me, but to some". 2) Heavy. 3) Hard to conceal. I definitely can recognize it's shortcomings, even though I think it's one of the best weapons on the planet. What people really have to realize, ESPECIALLY glock fans, is that ALL pistols are a compromise. NONE of them are efficient. The only reason we have pistols is because carrying a rifle or shotgun all day long is difficult. And it's difficult to conceal. I would say the closest to perfect pistol I've ever seen, shot, or owned, is my CZ-82. Solid steel. Not too big, so you can conceal it. Not too small, so it doesn't snap your wrist. 9mm Makarov is hotter than a 380, equal to the low end of a 9mm luger. Double action, Single Action, Allows for decocking safely, Allows for carrying it cocked and locked for those who love that feature with the 1911A1. Ergonomically smooth. Ultra high quality steel and parts. 12 round magazine "For those who care". Ammo is very available and quite inexpensive. All in all, the CZ-82 is probably the closest to the PERFECT self defense pistol on the planet. But even it has some drawbacks.
 
Yours is an oft debated question Hellbore. Some folks don't want a pistol without second strike capability. Others, myself included, think if you pull the trigger & it doesn't go bang you shouldn't pull the trigger again but got straight to tap. rack, bang as described in post #42. Makes more sense to clear that round & chamber a fresh one than stand there repeatedly pulling a trigger on a dud round.
 
so accept that some good shooters actually hate Glocks
I'm skeptical of anyone that "hates" Glock's. Dislike them? Fine. But there is no logical reason to hate the Glock. The Glock, like the Kalashnikov, or Mauser, or 1911 has earned its reputation as a reliable, durable and effective combat weapon. All serious shooters should respect it.
 
I'm skeptical of anyone that "hates" Glock's. Dislike them?...

Personally I do not "hate" them..I dislike them....actually I just would not use them as defensive sidearm, ok as target toys..

But there are people that, for any reasons irrational or not, "hate" them and, trust me, they are serious shooters.
 
I can say that I hate glocks as a matter of personal opinion. I wouldn't own one again and wouldn't suggest one to anyone who asked for my opinion.

1. I could never fire a reasonable group with them due to the long trigger pull.
2. Rappers, nuf said.
 
I'm skeptical of anyone that "hates" Glock's. Dislike them? Fine. But there is no logical reason to hate the Glock. The Glock, like the Kalashnikov, or Mauser, or 1911 has earned its reputation as a reliable, durable and effective combat weapon. All serious shooters should respect it.

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Oh good, Boats is here...

Someone has to clean up after you. You should regale us all with the "strategery and tacticality" of capturing and using enemy handguns and magazines during shoot outs so you can again pontificate on the superiority of overhand method.

You so curiously declined last time after popping off about the possibility. You must be a beyond serious shooter to not share.:uhoh:
 
I'm no fan of the trigger, but in a sense, Glocks have become like the old .38 revolver.

Utterly reliable, no complex controls or mechanisms to master before being proficient with a basic utility sidearm. Easy to reccomend to a neophyte shooter, with basic safety training. However, I'd still recommend a model 10 for Grandma. My wife (she is a Grandma as well) prefers a model 66, with full-bore loads.

Although, I will admit, the idea behind the trigger safety always baffled me - if an obstruction gets inside the trigger guard, it's going to press the safety bar as well as the trigger.
 
Someone has to clean up after you. You should regale us all with the "strategery and tacticality" of capturing and using enemy handguns and magazines during shoot outs so you can again pontificate on the superiority of overhand method.

You so curiously declined last time after popping off about the possibility. You must be a beyond serious shooter to not share.

Way to cross-post, there.

It just so happens, that the the nice folks at Front Sight teach his method as well. No human being is ever in control of their environment and situation, and you may end up with an unfamiliar firearm in your hands.
 
Then please go back to the other thread and do what the fabulous reaper will not and expound upon how this unfamiliar handgun, a magazine, and a need for a reload are all going to happen in a "real environment."

I do so mind having to perpetually track down the internet ninjas for their sagacious advice when they will only publicly share a cryptic, "It could happen grasshopper, master told me so."
 
However I want to avoid dragging this for pages...

And we are on page 4 ...


OP: Why do people say Glocks and other striker fired pistols are not Single Action?

Just reread the OP. It says "Glocks and other" striker fired pistols. So why are we so focused on Glock trigger only? I think the OP meant in general, striker fired pistols are not SA.

If the OP was stated, "Why do people say XD/M&P's striker fired pistols are not single action?" we would be having a different discussion?
 
Then please go back to the other thread and do what the fabulous reaper will not and expound upon how this unfamiliar handgun, a magazine, and a need for a reload are all going to happen in a "real environment."

I do so mind having to perpetually track down the internet ninjas for their sagacious advice when they will only publicly share a cryptic, "It could happen grasshopper, master told me so."
You make me laugh.
 
A lot of the disagreements here exist because we are trying to divide more than two kinds of pistols into only two categories: "double action" and "single action." Glocks differ from the ordinary single-action pistol because pulling their triggers does more than one thing--it finishes cocking the striker and then it fires it. They differ from the typical double-action pistol because the slide has to be racked in order to fire them. So they aren't exactly either double action or single action. I suppose this is why Glock calls them "safe action," but that's too much a marketing thing to catch on. "Striker-fired action" doesn't really get at the essence of it either, because the fact that it has a striker rather than a hammer is a minor detail. The Ruger LCP's action is pretty much the same as a Glock's, although it has an internal hammer rather than a striker; Ruger calls it "double action."

The terms "single action" and "double action" originated to describe revolvers; there are no ambiguities there. Applying those terms to autoloaders starts out with an oddity because no autoloader's action will do what a double-action revolver's action will do: go on to the next cartridge and shoot that.

I think of Glocks (and LCP's) as being a sort of "one and a fraction action" pistol. But I wouldn't say that to anyone else, because they wouldn't know what I meant. We really need a new term. As an earlier commenter put it, "[a]fter rethinking Glocks I think they are a modified action. Neither single or double action." Seems right to me. Too bad we don't have an accepted name for it.
 
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Yea, but when you break it down to it's basics, a Glock can do EVERYTHING that a Single Action pistol can do; but it CAN'T do EVERYTHING that a Double Action pistol can do. And for some people, some of the features of traditional Double Action pistols is important. So, a SA/DA pistol is the best of both for these people. Again, the Glock is a fine pistol. But it's NOT a Double Action pistol. Not compared to 90% of all other Double Action capable pistols and their features.
 
I would agree that to be fully accurate, we need to have more options than just "Single action" and "double action". "Strikered" or "Striker Fired" guns seems to be the most popular third term.
 
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