Sks and 922r compliance

[rduchateau2954]

I've been toying with the idea of keeping our selling my Sks for a bit now and if I did keep it, I want to mod it in a way that makes the gun more enjoyable for me to shoot while retaining the ability to go back to it's factory condition.

What I'm looking at is a tapco stock and us made magazines.

The problem I'm having is that there are different 922r compliance lists out there and they are not the same. Some state the magazine floor plate as a 922 compliant part and some don't. The description of the magazine says it is.

Can anyone tell me or direct me to the correct answer here?

Thanks,
Ryan

 

[Sam1911]

Here it is, right from Tapco: http://www.tapco.com/section922r/


The mag floor plate is definitely a counted part. Some folks don't like to use them because then if you grab a different magazine you might not be compliant any more.

But it DOES count. IF there is one. The original mags have no floor plate. Just as the original stocks don't have a pistol grip.

What it boils down to is that you can't have more than 10 imported parts from the list of 20 parts. Whether they were made by the original manufacturer, or by you, or by some other company, your rifle can't have more than 10 imported parts.

If you add a pistol grip, that could be an imported part (if it was imported) or it could be a US made part (if it was made here). Adding more US made parts doesn't necessarily help you get your "no more than 10" count down to "no more than 10."

Replacing an imported part with a US-made part lowers your "parts count" though.

...

With magazines, if you replace the magazine body with a US made body, that lowers the part county by one.

If you replace the magazine follower with a US made follower, that lowers the part county by one.

If you ADD a US made floor plate (to a rifle that didn't have a floor plate before), that really doesn't change your parts count in any important way.

If you ADD a foreign-made floor plate (to a rifle that didn't have a floor plate before), you're increasing your parts count (the wrong way) by one.

If you happen to have an SKS-D or -M that did have a detachable mag with a floor plate from the factory, and you ADD a US made floor plate, that would lower your parts count by one.

 

[rduchateau2954]

Is that the 100% official guaranteed list?

That's the problem, there equal amounts of lists with and without

 

[Sam1911]

Tapco tells you right where to look in the US Code.

There really shouldn't be any confusion at all. It is written in black-letter law right into the code.

Here you go: http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.39

(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

 

[tnxdshooter]

10 or, less foreign parts. Tapco sks stock 2 parts, us made gas piston makes three parts. Tapco us mags makes 2 parts and you're compliant. Get the Marcus mag adapter and cut the duckbills off the mag.

www.thesksmagadapter.com

 

[rduchateau2954]

That's exactly what I'm taking about, nobody agrees on this

 

[rduchateau2954]

Tnx, it says right on your website that followers are a considered part

 

[tnxdshooter]

Tnx, it says right on your website that followers are a considered part

They are if you have one that takes ak mags like I do. Technically the standard sks 10 round mag has no follower, therefore on the tapco and promag and other duck bill mags only the body and floor plate counts. I think I have that right.

 

[rduchateau2954]

Butt stock, hand guard, body, follower, floor plate. Agreed?

 

[tnxdshooter]

Butt stock, hand guard, body, follower, floor plate. Agreed?

Read above

I may have it backwards but I know that us made duck bill mags are only two parts. It may be body and floor plate. I can't remember.

 

[tnxdshooter]

What kind of sks is it? Chinese, yugo, Russian or what?

 

[rduchateau2954]

Chinese

 

[tnxdshooter]

Chinese

Ten or less period!

Stock, piston, two mag parts (tapco mag) you're compliant.

 

[tnxdshooter]

Chinese

I was going to make you an offer on it and have you ship out to me via my c&r license but unless this was in another country for x number years then its not c&r eligible.

 

[rduchateau2954]

And how would I find that out?

 

[Jackal]

I honestly dont think I have EVER seen a 922r compliant second hand (not direct from importer) SKS.

 

[Sam1911]

They are if you have one that takes ak mags like I do.

In THAT case, (SKS-D, or SKS-M) you have a factory magazine that counts as three foreign parts. You can use a US-made AK mag and that removes three foreign parts from your gun.

Technically the standard sks 10 round mag has no follower, therefore on the tapco and promag and other duck bill mags only the body and floor plate counts. I think I have that right.

Got that backward. All magazines have a follower. That's what pushes up on the rounds. An SKS magazine has a stamped, one-piece body that doesn't have a separate floor plate.

So you can replace the body and the follower by using a US-made magazine. If your US-made magazine has a separate floor plate, that's fine, but it doesn't really help further reduce your foreign-parts-count.

 

[Sam1911]

I honestly dont think I have EVER seen a 922r compliant second hand (not direct from importer) SKS.

Technically 922(r) only prohibits someone from MAKING a non-compliant gun. It doesn't prohibit you from possessing one.


....of course, the existence of one indicates that SOMEBODY screwed up.

Then again, no one's ever documented a case of a prosecution (solely) for 922(r), that we've ever been able to find. Go figure.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Generally a 922r charge is something they tack onto the indictment of someone they want to bury. But it does add a decade in federal prison so even it it's never been prosecuted as the lead charge I wouldn't risk it!

One thing I would point out, at the risk of sounding obvious, is that aftermarket and foreign aren't the same thing. If you swap out a part for compliance make darned sure the part is US made! It's not enough that it's sold by and packed in a company in the US, the part actually has to be manufactured in the US. That might seem obvious but you do see American companies packaging stuff made elsewhere, from time to time.

 

[Sam1911]

And is that smelted from ore in the US, machined in the US, finish ground in the US, engraved in the US, painted in the US, or just stamped "US" in the US. No one knows.

And if the part isn't stamped, no one's ever come up with an explanation of how one might prove origin.

It's a pretty sketchy area of law.

 

[tnxdshooter]

And is that smelted from ore in the US, machined in the US, finish ground in the US, engraved in the US, painted in the US, or just stamped "US" in the US. No one knows.

And if the part isn't stamped, no one's ever come up with an explanation of how one might prove origin.

It's a pretty sketchy area of law.

Simple keep a receipt of the purchase showing where it says us made.

 

[rduchateau2954]

It's been in the family for 20 years. The person who purchased is no longer with us.

 

[Sam1911]

Simple keep a receipt of the purchase showing where it says us made.

Oh sure. That works in some cases. Of course, any parts I made myself are not so covered.

But I figure just stamping US on things should be good enough!

 

[chicharrones]

Of course, any parts I made myself are not so covered.

But I figure just stamping US on things should be good enough!

Sounds good to me!

 

[Ryanxia]

Oh sure. That works in some cases. Of course, any parts I made myself are not so covered.

But I figure just stamping US on things should be good enough!

Actually it is on them to prove the parts are not US made. Whether you or some no name company made them, they do not need to be stamped US. Has a random individual ever actually been convicted from 922r? I could be wrong but I don't believe so.
I think companies importing firearms are the only ones really paying attention to 922r.