SKS: The Poor Man's EBR PTII

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tahunua001

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hello all, a couple months ago I posted a thread entitled SKS: the Poor Man's EBR. if you really feel like reading the whole thing you can go ahead but I'll paraphrase here just to give the background.

about 2 weeks after SH happened I took my first trip into town since the panic struck, I was shocked, appalled by the empty spots in the racks the weeks earlier had been stuffed with AKs, ARs, mini14s and other paramilitary rifles. the only semis still on the racks were SKS and they were going for $500 in some places. finally on my last stop before leaving town I went to my local Black Sheep store and they had SKS for $239, they had 3 left and they even let me take my pick, I grabbed the one with the nicest looking wood which was still pretty ratty and had someones name carved in the side. I took it home and began a scheme to turn it into a EBR that would make even a republican say that it looked dangerous.

after doing little to no research I ordered 3 items to alleviate what I saw as the biggest downfalls of the SKS, non modular stock, low ammo cap, and combloc sights. I pre ordered tapco T6 stock and matching magazine from midway and ordered a TS200 rear mounted peep sight from tech sights. the sights arrived within days and after a great deal of work(for me anyway) I got the TS200 mounted. a short 20 round trip to the range and I had it hitting oxygen tanks at 200 yards with about 90% success, well above the accuracy I ever imagined based on the horrible experiences with a WASR 10/63 AK clone I gladly removed from my collection. the peeps make it much easier to get a good sight picture as it increases the sight radius by about 8 inches(it replaces the takedown pin and mounts to hte rear of the receiver and adds an aperture much more accommodating to the front sight than the leaf sights that commies seem to be so fond of.

the stock was horribly shrunken, had about 1/8" vertical play in the front and it rattled and wobbled like an airsoft gun. going off a suggestion from a member at SKSboards who claimed that the handguard rail on the tapco interferes with the TS sight, I had the opportunity to buy a ramline stock for $20 that I got with the intention of using the handguard and selling the stock with the tapco handguard to make the money back. the ramline handguard is a bit short but a little solder at each end fixed any lateral play. today the T6 finally arrived and the dang thing is the worst fitted, clunkiest piece of plastic I've ever tried to slap onto a gun, I wouldn't waste that stock on a hi point carbine if that's what it was meant for. I boxed it back up and out of desperation tried the ramline stock... took 7 seconds to fit to the rifle and if I didn't know any better I would say that this gun came with that stock from the factory.

the T6 is going to the gun show on saturday, shouldn't be too hard to find a buyer in this market. right now I would have to say though that if you can, get Ramline...leave Crapco on the shelves. as the title implies, this venture was made to see if it was possible to build an evil black rifle at an affordable cost, for my purposes I capped myself at $400. assuming that I can make back the money on the tapco stock I will be at $360 including the high cap mag. in all fairness though, the ramline normally costs $60 retail so the average bargain hunter would be put right at $400 or so, give or take sales tax and shipping.

still waiting on the 20 round mag from midway so I'll continue this thread with the final chapter once I get a range review going.

some pics of the finished product.
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What kind of SKS is it. On the SKS Survivor board it is known that the T6 Stock doesn't fit the Yugoslovians very well. It fits the Norinco's like a glove from what they say. I'll get around to putting a new stock on my SKS but for now it remains stock.

You got to keep in mind that the SKS was built with different standards in not only each country who made them but also each time period in those countries. What doesn't fit your SKS well may fit the next guys just fine.

Your stock looks good though. I like it. I guess it doesn't have a cut out for the Bayonet though? Does it still lock back though?

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Well, you succeeded in making an SKS look like a Mini-14. ATI makes a nice-looking SKS Monte Carlo stock. If I was intent on changing to a polymer stock, I'd have chosen that one.
 
What kind of SKS is it. On the SKS Survivor board it is known that the T6 Stock doesn't fit the Yugoslovians very well. It fits the Norinco's like a glove from what they say. I'll get around to putting a new stock on my SKS but for now it remains stock.

You got to keep in mind that the SKS was built with different standards in not only each country who made them but also each time period in those countries. What doesn't fit your SKS well may fit the next guys just fine.

Your stock looks good though. I like it. I guess it doesn't have a cut out for the Bayonet though? Does it still lock back though?
huh... I thought I posted rifle stats... it is a Chinese type 56. since china got all their tooling from russia and russian advisors taught them how to make them... I would think that of any versions, this would fit...


and yes, this stock does not have the bayonet cutout but it does latch shut so it actually works pretty well.
 
Good luck with the 20 round mag. A few of them work great. Most of them don't work very well unfortunately. I have several that have worked flawlessly for over 20 years.
But I wouldn't even think about changing my newer model over to duck bill mags. I'm thinking about changing my old one back to stripper clips in fact even though it works perfectly. Stripper clips are a better way to carry ammo. I guess it depends on whether you want your rifle to look good or shoot well. I'll take shooting well. And stripper clips come out way better.

Nice rifles though. They are very dependable and plenty accurate which is exactly what you want in a battle rifle.
 
huh... I thought I posted rifle stats... it is a Chinese type 56. since china got all their tooling from russia and russian advisors taught them how to make them... I would think that of any versions, this would fit...


and yes, this stock does not have the bayonet cutout but it does latch shut so it actually works pretty well.

Yea. It seems that more people with late model Chinese builds have the best results. Where didn't the stock fit well? Also, was it wobbling back and forth.

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Yea. It seems that more people with late model Chinese builds have the best results. Where didn't the stock fit well? Also, was it wobbling back and forth
that would explain it then, this is a 1959 made rifle. it wasn't too loose, it was way too tight, the trigger group couldn't latch with the receiver because the TG inlet isn't deep enough. I'm too lazy and too unsure of my abilities to start taking a dremel to plastic to try and get it to fit so I'm just going to sell it and get my money back.

love the sks, I have two, a paratrooper variant and a standard type 56. SKS is my favorite rifle/.
this is my only SKS and if I do get another I would get it with the intent of slapping on a center balance conversion kit... what can I say? I'm a bubba at heart. the SKS is far from my favorite but I must admit that given my preconceptions based on other x39 rifles I've owned, I have been pleasantly surprised by this little rifle.
 
I agree man. A good SKS is undervalued. A lot of people have never shot one and think because you could pick up one so cheap they can't be that good. When I got my first SKS a couple weeks ago, I was very surprised at how well it shoulders. Then again I've always liked a short LOP and the Norinco I picked up does have a short one. I know I paid a little more than I would have earlier in the year but I wanted a unfired Norinco and I saw one pop up on Gunbroker for $400 buy it now. I saw the listing had only been there for 2 minutes so I acted in it right away.

Here it is. I took the Bayo and Cleaning Rod out since it's just added weight and I will never use either one. These picture are prior to stripping and Cleaning the grease off.


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I agree that the SKS is far from my favorite rifle. I'd go so far as to say that it pretty much sucks in its native configuration. On the other hand, if modified with the Tapco stock, Tech Sights, detachable mags and and the bolt cutout, it becomes a very handy and usable rifle. I used one in two gun tactical comps against AR drivers for a long time. Did very well with it, but ultimately I came back to the AR because it's simply a far better rifle.

Having said all that, every now and then something comes along that makes you love the SKS for what it can be.

A few years ago some nice guy in Warsaw auctioned off a bunch of Polish Honor Guard stocks. Here's mine with a Russian action.

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that's actually a perty looking rifle. as starting I like the T6 for what it could do but just the fact that the one I got wont fit the rifle is enough to disenfranchise myself to them unless I could find a rifle already in one and could see how it fit.
 
What is a Bolt Cutout?
A lesser known, but the most important mod you can make if you want a much more modern functioning rifle. You cut away the rails on the bottom of the bolt. This allows you to remove and attach magazines on a closed bolt. Well documented on the SKS Board.
 
SKS UB (Ultra Bubba'ed)

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Awesome man. I love the T6 Stock and the only thing better than a T6 Stock is a T6 Stock in Dark Earth (my personal preference). By the way, what mount are you using for the optics? Also how did you mount the light on the side of that stock. I didn't know they had a rail on the side.

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Personally, if you increase a SKS's functionality without sacrificing reliability, then you simply made it a better rifle. In any case, it's not like they only made a hundred of them and you paid a million bucks for it.

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That was a great rifle. Sold it, probably shouldn't have, but I don't miss it. The great thing about Krylon is that any paint stripper will remove it almost instantly.
 
Personally, if you increase a SKS's functionality without sacrificing reliability, then you simply made it a better rifle. In any case, it's not like they only made a hundred of them and you paid a million bucks for it.

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That was a great rifle. Sold it, probably shouldn't have, but I don't miss it. The great thing about Krylon is that any paint stripper will remove it almost instantly.

That's pretty bad ass. Did you do the bolt mod so the mags release even when it's closed or did you leave it the way it is?

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Nice SKS rifles. I'm still on the hunt for a sub-$300 SKS in my area. The cheapest I've seen is about $450, and thats more than I can afford for it anyway. Otherwise I would go with an AK instead.
 
yeah I've heard a few guys from florida complaining about the price of anything semi auto lately... it's a pain for sure.... my shop still has them for $240 but they are just a small sporting goods store so they wont ship... sad as it was I actually overheard a phone conversation with the guy behind the counter trying to explain that they couldn't ship a brick of 22lr ammo to georgia... talk about desperation...
 
tahunua001: Nice rifle. Will that aftermarket magazine feed well?
When the gun bug First bit me in '07 I was 52 years old.

The SKS has been a really good gun for destroying plastic bottles and fragments of concrete blocks sprayed orange-much better now with the TS200 Tech Sight.
It would not have made sense to buy an AR-15 for that, spending more money in order to be fashionable.
Life is too short-the "lights" can go out with little or no warning.

Even for people who are not so poor (and have a Garand and six Enfields etc for fun), the basic SKS is an enjoyable, effective gun and being 5'11", the ergos are helped by a low cost, slip-on 1" recoil pad.
 
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That's pretty bad ass. Did you do the bolt mod so the mags release even when it's closed or did you leave it the way it is?

You bet, the bolt mod was really important for my usage. But I used it just like you'd use an AR or AK and carry multiple mags and do tac reloads whenever possible. Waiting for the bolt to lock back is time wasted in a competition stage.

Just as a note, I sold that rifle and bought an SKS-D (uses AK mags). I liked how the AK mags are a lot more durable, however on the SKS, or at least my SKS, the mag insertion angle was very specific. If you missed the forward lock in position, the mag would still rock in but lock with the rear edge too low, the bolt would ride over the rounds and wouldn't feed correctly and also be a serious pain to remove. I had to whack it hard with another mag while keeping the release lever pushed to get it out.

The Tapco 20 is a great deal more forgiving in terms of the forward insertion point. If you look at that photo you'll see a red mark on the stock. That's my insertion reference, I just needed to put the duckbill near that mark and rock back and it would load in perfectly every time. Far better than my D model and was a lot better if loading on the move or under stress/out of breath, which for me was all the time.
 
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