itgoesboom
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I appologize in advance, this is very long winded, there are lots of details, and its the little things that got me
My wife, her little sister and I have been hanging out on vacation in Hawaii for the last 8 days, drinking, enjoying the sun, sand and surf.
Tonight, we were going on a local sunset cruise in a good sized boat, and had a odd situation occur. At first it seemed like just a couple of persistant guys looking for a good time, but by the end of the night, I became convinced that these guys were wolves looking for a sheep to slaughter. And unfortunatly, my SIL (sister in law) gives of a strong victim mentality. No history of abuse or anything, but for some reason, its there.
The three of us, who are all in our mid 20's, were waiting in front of our hotel for the bus to pick us up when 2 guys from our hotel approached, going to the same sunset cruise. Immediatly, both of these guys, who appeared to be late 20's or early 30's focused in on my SIL. Pretty understandable, since she is very attractive and single. Anyways, one of these guys was a loud meathead, and the other a more softspoken guy.
But for some reason I immediatly pegged these two has being bad news. Wasn't sure why, but I listen to my gut. The meathead was talking to my SIL, getting lots of info about her, where she lives, what she does, where she went to school, etc etc. I whispered to my wife my feelings, and she whispered back that she felt the same way. When we all got off the bus, I whispered my thoughts to my SIL, basically telling her to avoid these two specific guys like the plague. Now, my SIL is smart, but she is usually in condition white, and has had problems before with guys being too persistant. Not exactly stalkers, but close.
When we got on the boat, we chose seats that were far away from these two guys, and started to relax. At this point, I wasn't too concerned, thinking that it was just a couple of guys who were hanging out trying to get some action, and they just happened to think that my SIL would be a good choice.
After awhile, they started to get closer, until one , the softspoken one, was sitting next my SIL at dinner, which I was very upset about. I informed my wife that unless this guy started to back off, he was going for a long swim. She kept telling me to relax, that nothing bad was going to happen. But my intuition told me something was up. I told my wife that she needed to take her sister to the restroom, and warn her regarding this guy. She did, and we seperated from the guys.
Sure enough, only a few minutes go by before both of these guys start moving in yet again. This was repeated several times over the course of the evening. We would move, and both of them would start to move in again. Very persistant. But they were acting pretty strangly besides that fact. They were passing text messages back and forth on a phone, and whenever one would write the message, and the other read it, thats when one would move in on my SIL. Like they were formulating a plan.
My wife was staying very close to my SIL the whole time, and I was trying to stay pretty close as well, without infringing on her being able to have a good time.
After a while, both of the guys would start to approach me and get me involved in a conversation. I had talked to both of them earlier in the evening, under the "always be polite, but in the back of your mind....." rule. Some of the information concerned me even more. The meathead was in Hawaii at the same time as his ex-wife, daughter and her step-father were visiting Hawaii and he was planning on visiting them this week. Little things like that. The fact that the other one, despite seeming to be very inteligent, was working a job that most college students were above was another concern, considering this guy was early 30s.
So anyways, they would both get me into a conversation, and then one would give the other a text message, and the other would leave our conversation to go hang out my wife and SIL. At this point I am being obviously rude to both of them, one word answers, always watching what they are doing, and walking away from them mid-conversation, my attempt to stay ahead of them and not let them control the situation. And this is happening repeatedly.
I also kept sensing that they were trying to get me away from my wife and SIL, which was a pretty good guess since it was obvious at this point that I was standing between them and their goal, whatever it was. But they were very persistant, one would pull me away while the other would make a move. And it didn't matter where we were on the boat, we could go to the other side, and they would follow us within minutes.
It wasn't like how most guys operate when trying to get a date. It almost seemed like they were working, like they did this everyday. Everything they did was calculated. They would dance with an elderly lady, or be really friendly with other passengers, but only why my wife and SIL were nearby and could see them acting. Neither would go near my wife or SIL unless the other one was trying to talk to me and distract me.
Unfortunatly, my SIL was still in white, despite the repeated warnings, and my wife was barely in yellow, and I was getting much resistance from the both of them.
It all came to a boil when just before the bar closed, about 25 minutes be docking, the meathead starting asking if I wanted a drink, if he could by me a drink. He was being very overly friendly, infact my SIL commented that he seemed like he was hitting on me, although we already know he is straight. The other one, a Anthony Michael Hall look alike, was standing behind me, deep into conversation with someone else. He started his conversation with that person right at the same time that the meathead offfered to buy me a drink. I had just hit the bar, and had a few extra drink vouchers, so I told him that I was good, put my drink on the railing, and handed him the vouchers, hoping he and his friend would go have a few more drinks, pass out and leave us alone. Instead, when I turned back towards my drink, I realized that it had been out of my sight for a few seconds, and the other guys hand had just made a move towards it. Either his hand had just gone over it, or was just about to, and realized he couldn't without me seeing. Either way, there was no reason, considering where he was standing, for him to be getting so close to my drink.
I got the meathead to walk away, immediatly put my drink down, and told my wife and SIL not to touch that drink, thinking that maybe at this point they might have put something in my drink so that I wouldn't a problem anymore. Get me sick, my wife would take me home, and my SIL would still want to go out and party, and these guys would be there to take her out for a good night.
My wife at this point was starting to think I was paranoid, and honestly, I was kinda thinking that too. But these guys were just acting not quite right, and they really were acting. Just a few minutes before docking, things looked like they were going to be ok, so I went out and was dancing with my wife, when I looked back and saw the softspoken SOB dancing with my SIL. My wife had accomplished what neither of them could, an effective distraction.
At the earliest possible moment, I took my wife and her sister aside, and explained that something was wrong here, and that we were going to avoid these two guys at all costs, including taking a cab instead of the bus back. They still didn't seem to believe me that something was wrong, but were willing to go along with me.
We waited until we were the last ones on the boat to get off, and headed to the cabs. We got to a cab, which was on the other side of the bus, the side away from the pier, and from there we watched how these two guys reacted. Both were inside the Bus, in the very back, standing up, watching the direction where we were supposed to be coming from, visible disturbed, motioning frantically and such. They expected us on the bus, and we weren't there.
We took a cab halfway to the hotel, not wanting to get there at the same time as the bus, and so we went out for desert. Took another 45 minutes to an hour before we got in another cab and returned to the hotel. Cab pulls up, I start walking in front of my wife and SIL, and I almost turn the corner into the main lobby area when the hair on the back of my neck stands up, and I stop. Just then I hear a couple voices in the lobby, talking, and I am 100% sure that it was the 2nd guy (distinct voice, and speach patterns). My wife hears it too, and she suddenly realizes that I am right, and suggests and alternate route.
So now we are safe back in our hotel room, doors locked, windows locked, they don't know our room number or the name we checked in at. We are going to a different part of the Island tommarow, and we know the meathead is going to another island to "visit" his ex-wife (and her husband) tommarow.
So now I am wondering:
Was I right? Were these guys really a threat? The signs that I saw:
1. Very persistant,
2. Always following my SIL
3. Trying to distract me and get me out of the way.
4. Possibly doing something to my drink.
5. The way they would text message just before one would make his move, and it wasn't like they were texting back and forth. Meathead would write out a text, hand it to his buddy, and then the buddy would make a move.
6. The way they acted on the bus when we didn't show up.
7. The fact that they were waiting at the lobby of our hotel when we got back 45minutes to an hour after they did, and there is nothing in our hotel lobby, no restraunt, no fountains, no bar, nothing.
8. The way that they were only friendly to other people when my SIL and wife were close by, like they were acting.
9. The way they would switch off, from one of them to the other, it was impossible to tell who was intrested in her, and who wasn't. But they were acting as a team, so they weren't competing.
10. Forgot to mention, these guys had initially mentioned how they really wanted to be out drinking on this cruise, actually, they said they wanted to get drunk, but neither of them got more than one drink the entire night. And I was paying attention.
11. Did I mention how persistant these guys were? I mean most guys would take the hint, people walk away from you, and you keep following them throughout the night.
So am I paranoid, or was my SIL about to be a statistic.
And how would you handle this situation?
And how would you explain what is going on to the members of your party? It was hard to talk to eachother with out the 2 guys being able to listen in.
How would you go about explaining to your family how serious this situation could be? Personally, I am 100% convinced that my SIL was going to be raped tonight.
Thanks in advance, and thanks for bearing with me.
I.G.B.
My wife, her little sister and I have been hanging out on vacation in Hawaii for the last 8 days, drinking, enjoying the sun, sand and surf.
Tonight, we were going on a local sunset cruise in a good sized boat, and had a odd situation occur. At first it seemed like just a couple of persistant guys looking for a good time, but by the end of the night, I became convinced that these guys were wolves looking for a sheep to slaughter. And unfortunatly, my SIL (sister in law) gives of a strong victim mentality. No history of abuse or anything, but for some reason, its there.
The three of us, who are all in our mid 20's, were waiting in front of our hotel for the bus to pick us up when 2 guys from our hotel approached, going to the same sunset cruise. Immediatly, both of these guys, who appeared to be late 20's or early 30's focused in on my SIL. Pretty understandable, since she is very attractive and single. Anyways, one of these guys was a loud meathead, and the other a more softspoken guy.
But for some reason I immediatly pegged these two has being bad news. Wasn't sure why, but I listen to my gut. The meathead was talking to my SIL, getting lots of info about her, where she lives, what she does, where she went to school, etc etc. I whispered to my wife my feelings, and she whispered back that she felt the same way. When we all got off the bus, I whispered my thoughts to my SIL, basically telling her to avoid these two specific guys like the plague. Now, my SIL is smart, but she is usually in condition white, and has had problems before with guys being too persistant. Not exactly stalkers, but close.
When we got on the boat, we chose seats that were far away from these two guys, and started to relax. At this point, I wasn't too concerned, thinking that it was just a couple of guys who were hanging out trying to get some action, and they just happened to think that my SIL would be a good choice.
After awhile, they started to get closer, until one , the softspoken one, was sitting next my SIL at dinner, which I was very upset about. I informed my wife that unless this guy started to back off, he was going for a long swim. She kept telling me to relax, that nothing bad was going to happen. But my intuition told me something was up. I told my wife that she needed to take her sister to the restroom, and warn her regarding this guy. She did, and we seperated from the guys.
Sure enough, only a few minutes go by before both of these guys start moving in yet again. This was repeated several times over the course of the evening. We would move, and both of them would start to move in again. Very persistant. But they were acting pretty strangly besides that fact. They were passing text messages back and forth on a phone, and whenever one would write the message, and the other read it, thats when one would move in on my SIL. Like they were formulating a plan.
My wife was staying very close to my SIL the whole time, and I was trying to stay pretty close as well, without infringing on her being able to have a good time.
After a while, both of the guys would start to approach me and get me involved in a conversation. I had talked to both of them earlier in the evening, under the "always be polite, but in the back of your mind....." rule. Some of the information concerned me even more. The meathead was in Hawaii at the same time as his ex-wife, daughter and her step-father were visiting Hawaii and he was planning on visiting them this week. Little things like that. The fact that the other one, despite seeming to be very inteligent, was working a job that most college students were above was another concern, considering this guy was early 30s.
So anyways, they would both get me into a conversation, and then one would give the other a text message, and the other would leave our conversation to go hang out my wife and SIL. At this point I am being obviously rude to both of them, one word answers, always watching what they are doing, and walking away from them mid-conversation, my attempt to stay ahead of them and not let them control the situation. And this is happening repeatedly.
I also kept sensing that they were trying to get me away from my wife and SIL, which was a pretty good guess since it was obvious at this point that I was standing between them and their goal, whatever it was. But they were very persistant, one would pull me away while the other would make a move. And it didn't matter where we were on the boat, we could go to the other side, and they would follow us within minutes.
It wasn't like how most guys operate when trying to get a date. It almost seemed like they were working, like they did this everyday. Everything they did was calculated. They would dance with an elderly lady, or be really friendly with other passengers, but only why my wife and SIL were nearby and could see them acting. Neither would go near my wife or SIL unless the other one was trying to talk to me and distract me.
Unfortunatly, my SIL was still in white, despite the repeated warnings, and my wife was barely in yellow, and I was getting much resistance from the both of them.
It all came to a boil when just before the bar closed, about 25 minutes be docking, the meathead starting asking if I wanted a drink, if he could by me a drink. He was being very overly friendly, infact my SIL commented that he seemed like he was hitting on me, although we already know he is straight. The other one, a Anthony Michael Hall look alike, was standing behind me, deep into conversation with someone else. He started his conversation with that person right at the same time that the meathead offfered to buy me a drink. I had just hit the bar, and had a few extra drink vouchers, so I told him that I was good, put my drink on the railing, and handed him the vouchers, hoping he and his friend would go have a few more drinks, pass out and leave us alone. Instead, when I turned back towards my drink, I realized that it had been out of my sight for a few seconds, and the other guys hand had just made a move towards it. Either his hand had just gone over it, or was just about to, and realized he couldn't without me seeing. Either way, there was no reason, considering where he was standing, for him to be getting so close to my drink.
I got the meathead to walk away, immediatly put my drink down, and told my wife and SIL not to touch that drink, thinking that maybe at this point they might have put something in my drink so that I wouldn't a problem anymore. Get me sick, my wife would take me home, and my SIL would still want to go out and party, and these guys would be there to take her out for a good night.
My wife at this point was starting to think I was paranoid, and honestly, I was kinda thinking that too. But these guys were just acting not quite right, and they really were acting. Just a few minutes before docking, things looked like they were going to be ok, so I went out and was dancing with my wife, when I looked back and saw the softspoken SOB dancing with my SIL. My wife had accomplished what neither of them could, an effective distraction.
At the earliest possible moment, I took my wife and her sister aside, and explained that something was wrong here, and that we were going to avoid these two guys at all costs, including taking a cab instead of the bus back. They still didn't seem to believe me that something was wrong, but were willing to go along with me.
We waited until we were the last ones on the boat to get off, and headed to the cabs. We got to a cab, which was on the other side of the bus, the side away from the pier, and from there we watched how these two guys reacted. Both were inside the Bus, in the very back, standing up, watching the direction where we were supposed to be coming from, visible disturbed, motioning frantically and such. They expected us on the bus, and we weren't there.
We took a cab halfway to the hotel, not wanting to get there at the same time as the bus, and so we went out for desert. Took another 45 minutes to an hour before we got in another cab and returned to the hotel. Cab pulls up, I start walking in front of my wife and SIL, and I almost turn the corner into the main lobby area when the hair on the back of my neck stands up, and I stop. Just then I hear a couple voices in the lobby, talking, and I am 100% sure that it was the 2nd guy (distinct voice, and speach patterns). My wife hears it too, and she suddenly realizes that I am right, and suggests and alternate route.
So now we are safe back in our hotel room, doors locked, windows locked, they don't know our room number or the name we checked in at. We are going to a different part of the Island tommarow, and we know the meathead is going to another island to "visit" his ex-wife (and her husband) tommarow.
So now I am wondering:
Was I right? Were these guys really a threat? The signs that I saw:
1. Very persistant,
2. Always following my SIL
3. Trying to distract me and get me out of the way.
4. Possibly doing something to my drink.
5. The way they would text message just before one would make his move, and it wasn't like they were texting back and forth. Meathead would write out a text, hand it to his buddy, and then the buddy would make a move.
6. The way they acted on the bus when we didn't show up.
7. The fact that they were waiting at the lobby of our hotel when we got back 45minutes to an hour after they did, and there is nothing in our hotel lobby, no restraunt, no fountains, no bar, nothing.
8. The way that they were only friendly to other people when my SIL and wife were close by, like they were acting.
9. The way they would switch off, from one of them to the other, it was impossible to tell who was intrested in her, and who wasn't. But they were acting as a team, so they weren't competing.
10. Forgot to mention, these guys had initially mentioned how they really wanted to be out drinking on this cruise, actually, they said they wanted to get drunk, but neither of them got more than one drink the entire night. And I was paying attention.
11. Did I mention how persistant these guys were? I mean most guys would take the hint, people walk away from you, and you keep following them throughout the night.
So am I paranoid, or was my SIL about to be a statistic.
And how would you handle this situation?
And how would you explain what is going on to the members of your party? It was hard to talk to eachother with out the 2 guys being able to listen in.
How would you go about explaining to your family how serious this situation could be? Personally, I am 100% convinced that my SIL was going to be raped tonight.
Thanks in advance, and thanks for bearing with me.
I.G.B.
