Slugs for Dangerous Game

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Hey all, I know they're are more suitable options for thick skinned big boned dangerous game but hypothetically speaking if I had to use a shotgun what kind of slugs would work best? Soft lead, copper or hard cast? Some say hard cast will shatter on bones and others say soft will deform and not penetrate. I'm also confused because when it comes to 'stopping' people we don't want penetration but expansion and then when it comes to DG it's just the opposite.:confused:

Are Brennekes like the Black Magic considered fosters or sabots?

Do they make copper slugs for smoothbores? I tries but could not find.

Any and all input is welcomed and appreciated, thanks in advance y'all.
 
I find soft lead the best. It does not over penetrate large animals and stops them quite nicely if you shoot them in the right spot.
 
Brenneke slugs are full caliber, not sabots.
They would be my first choice (using a shotgun) to stop a Brown Bear.
 
Get the Brenneke Black Magic slugs as they're made for dangerous game. Brenneke slugs are harder than other slugs and that allows them to penetrate further.

I could be wrong, but I believe the reason you want the penetration instead of expansion is because you can't get both. Even for stopping people you wouldn't want a bullet that expanded, but didn't penetrate far enough to reach vitals.

If you can get both great, but that's not going to happen when you are dealing with dangerous game. It's also not like you need a .73 caliber chunk of lead to expand to cause a huge wound.
 
expansion vs. penetration in defensive loads is due to over penetration i.e. exit wounds. The distance your projectile must travel after impact w/dangerous game should be at least 16 to 20 inches and preferably 30 inches. As hard as slugs hit if I was face to face with a bear I'd prefer a jacketed magnum round.
 
Only if you have a shotgun with a fully rifled barrel.

Are Brennekes like the Black Magic considered fosters or sabots?
Neither.
The Foster is a hollow-based soft lead slug.
A sabot is a plastic wad with a large caliber bullet inside it.

The Brenneke is a third type of slug with a solid lead slug attached to a soft base wad. It is not designed to expand.
It is designed to shoot big holes through large dangerous animals and give very deep penetration.

rc
 
Swaged lead vs Hard Cast Heat Treated

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another option to the Brenneke

http://www.dixieslugs.com/

yeah checked those out too...but they're not designed for smoothbores

Playmaker:

Use what you think will work, however, rifled barrels are not that expensive and 30+ BHN hard cast heat treated will outperform ANY brand of swaged lead slugs in the one area you must have with dangerous game - penetration!

Check out the Dixie Slugs Forum and look for the post "Ol' Dixie vs The Bone Box." The pictures and data from the Linebaugh Seminar should get your attention. Any shotgun round that will penetrate as deeply as the 416 Rigby (Federal factory 400 grain Nosler Partition) and blow a BIGGER hole is a true dangerous game round.

RMc
 
Capstick and Ruark hunting books are replete with stories of guys going into the "long grass" to dispatch a wounded people eater.

They prefer a shotgun over a rifle. They also, as I recall prefer 00 buck, over slugs.

Fact is two barrels of 00 buck is a heck of a lot of lead flying out there, and it penetrats pretty good.

Unless I had to, I'd not go after a wounded brown bear in the bush with any gun, anytime whatsoever. I'd wait for him to die. Or I'd stand back and take a shot at him with a 338 or some such.

If I was walking in there after a wounded lion I'd take a shotgun loaded with 00 buck.

If I was going in after a wounded cape buffalo, well; first I'd make sure my life insurance is paid up. Then I'd probably go in with modern well made, hard cast shotgun slugs fired from a 3 inch magnum.

I've been within a few, like five; feet of wild cape buffalo half a dozen times. They are a very serious and frightening animal. Evey step you take to get closer to them they grow to twice their original size. And they STINK.

When they turn and look at you with those wide dead eyes, your blood runs cold and your heart skips a beat. BTW: when they pick up their nose and point it towards you, and then stop chewing.....well you just might be about to breath your last breath.

I have only been on one South African safari. Our PH, a great guy named "Hine" took me up to and personal with Buffs several times. He was very cautious. He told me that his best friend had been killed by a buff about two weeks prior our safari.

Wild elephants can be larger, they travel in largish herds with animals of all sizes. A big bull or even an Alpha cow is huge. When they see, our scent you they pretty much stop what they are doing (peeling branches from acacia trees) and check you out. They have a habit of turning and facing directly at you. They'll raise their trunks and sometimes trumpet. You can tell they are working on your scent. Then sometimes, they'll flop out their huge ears. Sometimes they'll make a run at you, but in my case they always stopped.

Now when this happened to me (several times) I was armed with a early model .458 Winchester single lens reflex camera!

No one had to tell me to stand stock still.

The thought of wounding one of those brutes and then following him into the brush to finish him off, is just almost unimaginable.

BTW: I was around many elephants for several days, and felt as if I knew them, sorta. The day we arrived on the safari (about 50 clicks from Addo Elephant Park, maybe 200 clicks north of Port Elizabeth) an elephant torn into one of the PH's homes and absolutely destroyed the place. For some strange reason they can go between just standing around and then tearing things up for what appears to be no reason at all. If an elephant wants to tear up a home, or smash a car, there's no way to stop him; short of killing him.

I don't think that now, I'd be able to bring myself to shoot one. There were big ones, middle sized ones, teenagers, aunts and uncles all milling around together, usually in a herd of 20 or so. The calves run about between their aunt's legs. To my mind there is nothing so cute as a baby elephant. I'll kill anything, but I'm not sure I could kill an elephant. They are just too amazing, and too bright.

BTW: You'll see them oftentimes at night. They can walk past you just a few feet away, in dry brush, and hardly make a sound. An elephant can actually sneak up on you, and they sometimes do, just for the heck of it. The ones I saw were totally wild and absolutely unafraid, but they never took us for granted.

I watched an rhino and a massive bull elephant fight over a water hole. It was an amazing thing to see. Guess who usually wins a fight to between an elephant and a rhino?

The rhino.
 
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Did we read the same article about Dixie?

Check out those dixie slugs out again guys. They specifically state they have slugs for smoothbores. Their newist slug was tested with a smoothbore to see if it would preform in a smoothbore and they have a three slug shell that is also specifically designed for smoothbores.
 
Don't the Canadian Park Rangers carry 12 ga with slugs? I heard that once.

For defense it'd be my choice too. We had black bears where I grew up; not brown or grizzly. Never heard of an attack.

When it comes to bear, prevention is best. Tie a bell onto your clothes so they can hear you coming farther away and make an exit...

Unless you are hunting them. Then I'd pick a heavy centerfire rifle.
 
I read someplace that more people are injured by black bears than any other kind. Reason? There are more of them, and gather around people.
 
Not to hi-jack this too much but...

I don't see a difference between the Brenneke
Special Forces Short Magnum 12 GA 2 3/4" defense slugs
and the
GREEN LIGHTNING 12 GA 2 3/4" hunting slugs. Am I right?
 
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* one of the heaviest slugs on the market (600 grains / 1 3/8 oz)
* very accurate: 2” groups at 50 yards and 3” groups at 100 yards with smoothbore barrels


Distance Velocity Energy Bullet path
(yards) (feet/sec.) (ft. lbs.) (inch)

Muzzle 1502 3014 - 2.0
25 1295 2241 + 0.4
50 1136 1724 + 1.6
75 1030 1418 + 1.0
100 955 1219 - 1.5


Looks like serious medicine! I mean, look at that mean old bear on the box.
 
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