small .45 recommendation

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Been looking for a big bore snub revolver for quite a while now and keep striking out. Can't find a Taurus .44spl or .45acp, not sure I want to settle for Charter arms, don't want to pay a grand for a Smith .45acp... Looking now like I'll probably get a small .45 acp semi instead, probably should have started there, huh?

Para, Glock 36, Taurus Millenium (single stack) - a few I've been considering.
Any recommendations on a small, reliable .45 semi that can be stuffed in a pocket or boot in a pinch?

Thanks,
 
Kahr has one .You should also look at 40s they perform just as well and you'll have a wider choice.
 
I have the Para Carry and the G36. The latter is on my hip right now. But that's an important point. It's not gonna go in your pocket vary readily. The Para is smaller than the GLOCK, but I don't believe I've ever carried it in pocket either - and I ordered a nice pocket holster for it. It's just too heavy. I think both are good handguns, but I don't have any expectation I'll be able to carry either in a pocket. The largest I've been able to conceal in a suit or dockers pocket is my 40 caliber GLOCK 27, and it's kinda iffy to fit.
 
If you like revolvers, check out the Taurus PT-145 Millenium PRO 10+1 of .45ACP goodness, in a package about the same size as a J-frame and a better than decent revolver-like DAO trigger at a price that won't break the bank.

Kahr P45 is nice if you are willing to spent almost twice as much, its thinner but holds fewer rounds.

Forget all the bad stuff you will find if you search on Taurus Millenium or PT-145, as the Millenium PRO is a different gun, its the model that fixed the issues.

Once you load up 6+1 or more of .45ACP its gonna be a bit heavy for a pocket even if it fits.

--wally.
 
My favorite is my Taurus PT145 (a slightly higher capacity version of the Millenium Pro single stack you mention - the one you mention is just a little thinner in the grip and that's it). I suppose I could stuff it into pockets of very loose jeans or maybe BDUs, but it's just too long for it. Incidentally, I have a snubbie Taurus 455 revolver (the .45 ACP 5 shot you mention) and there is pretty much no way it'll go in the pocket. Conceals well on the hip, but it, and the Taurus 445 .44 spl, are built on a frame akin to a S&W L frame. Pretty decent gun for OWB hip carry. OK for IWB carry. Definitely not for pocket carry.

I'm not recommending either of these, but if you are dead set on carrying a .45 in your pocket, get an American Derringer in .45 Colt or an AMT Backup .45. I have the Backup and I have pocket carried it several times, but it is heavy. Not all of them work, but mine never gave me trouble. It is not pleasant to shoot. They're pretty common on the used gun market and I suspect you can pick one up for $200-250. Just be aware that you may have to tinker with it to get it to run. The High Standard people in Texas supposedly have this gun back in production, but I haven't seen an example.
 
The PT145 would be my choice, but I'm a DA kinda guy. Frankly, I'm not real hot to get a subcompact .45, though. I don't see any advantage over a subcompact +P nine and the 9 is more pocketable.

But, I understand where you're coming from. I've debated 9mm revolvers and for the life of me I can't see the advantage over an 11 shot 14 ounce pocket sized autoloader. Same for the .45 revolver. Most .45 revolvers are going to be bigger and heavier than the PT145 and have less firepower. Smith's are N frames! Heck, I'd rather carry my P90 than an N frame revolver. :rolleyes: I mean, I'm a revolver lover, always have been, but I also am a practical person. Love for the revolver doesn't get in the way of my sense of practicality.
 
Kahr maybe?

Not sure what the consensus is on the Kahr .45, but it is quite compact and feels good in the hand.

Agree with the above poster that you'll have more selection of smaller pistols in .40sw.
 
I personally am a big fan of .40 S&W in sub 3.5" barred guns. The reason is velocity loss in the short barrels may leave .45ACP with inadaquate penetration -- especially if you get any expansion.

For a given barrel length .40 S&W is usually about 100 fps faster than .45 for bullets of equal sectional density (180gr .40 == 230 gr .45) so all things being equal penetration should be better.

The Kahr PM40 is "pocketable" but too heavy for my pockets, YMMV. I have carried it in my boot with a Gunmate #0 IWB clip on holster. Works well with the right pants, but too hard to draw with most of my regular clothes.

--wally.
 
Once you resolve the functioning issues that sometimes surface in diminutive .45 ACP platforms, they're still pretty much larger overall than similar 9mm platforms, and some .40 S&W platforms.

I prefer my CS9 to my CS45, for example.

The CS45 is a very underrated, very reliable 6+1 .45 ACP pistol, however. It's very quietly popular among many LE users and instructors. Not all that easy to find used. TDA design, although it was available in DAO for a while, and TDA models can still be converted to DAO by the factory (or gunsmiths and LE armorers). The newer DAO design has a longer trigger stroke than the previous models that had longer slides, though, since the older models had their hammers staged to a different degree, allowing for a shorter trigger stroke after each cycling of the slide and 'locating' of the hammer by the sear nose.

While the CS45 feels a bit chunky & blocky in the hand while just holding it, it takes on a different character when being fired in many user's/owner's opinions ... and in my perspective. The chunky Hogues enhance controllability and recoil management, and it's surprisingly accurate for a small .45 pistol. Feeding reliability is something for which S&W .45's are generally well known, too.

As far as the TDA trigger ... the DA trigger stroke is typically long and somewhat heavy (short & stout hammer spring in the CS series), but smooth and predictable for those trained in it, and the SA has a very short reset with a decent feel. Shooting more examples of both models than I can remember over the years, I generally find the TDA S&W pistols to offer slightly better triggers than TDA SIGARMS pistols, for example, day in and day out.

S&W's Lifetime Warranty and free shipping (both ways) is pretty user-friendly, too.

My J-frames, CS9 & G26/27 simply slip into most of my jacket pockets (w/pocket holster) more easily than my CS45.
 
I have a Kahr P45 and it conceals well, but quality issues may force me to trade it off. It shoots great for such a small package, but I had trigger reset issues after ~300rds. :( I've heard of others with similar issues. You might want to wait until they have all the bugs worked out of the P45. Their 40S&W is supposed to be good.
 
I've been using a PT745 for summer carry the last 2 years. Not a single problem, good accuracy and the recoil is pretty mild for such small .45ACP. I use Win Ranger RA45T for my carry round, which has decent ballistics for (~810 fps +/-) for the 3.25" barrel. It's about the same size as a Kahr P45 at about 1/2 the price (actually the PT745 is a tad shorter in overall grip height when compared to the Kahr).
 
I have both sub-compact Taurus .45's, the PT145 and the PT745. I find that either is a very reliable, accurate weapon, and I'm very comfortable with them. As mentioned earlier, they're about the same size overall as a J-frame snubby or a Glock sub-compact - thinner than the latter, actually - and I routinely pocket-carry them. I'd recommend the 145 for its 10+1 capacity - the 745's 6+1 comes with only a slimmer grip, which isn't really necessary (although I find that for folks with very small hands, it's useful - that's why I have one, to let them try both).
 
I like my Springfield Armory Ultra Compact. It's a 45 ACP. It is very accurate & is easy to carry.
 
Glock 36 in a Galco PH286 pocket holster.
If you wear Dockers or cargo shorts, it's no sweat!!! :evil: :evil:

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