Smith M&P 9 new in box from "BUDS"?

[Walter W.]

If I buy an M&P through "BUDSGUNSHOP" and it comes "new in box", what all does it come with? A paper box or a case? One or two magazines? Does anyone know what it would come with because I saw this link http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/38991,but I can't get a call through for a couple days because they have been closed (Christmas and Christmas eve). I was going to get one.

Thanx!

 

[Chrome]

NIB typically means that it includes everyone a new one would come with. The "in box" part is just a quick way of saying it's brand new.

Bud's is a pretty reputable shop and I wouldn't have any hesitations ordering from them.

Later,
Chrome...

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

It comes with a plastic box that you can put a little padlock through, and two magazines. If a compact, one magazine will have a finger extension, the other a flat base. (Both are the same capacity.) If the gun is supposed to be "new in box" that is what you had better get.

 

[drybones]

Check out that M&P 9mm compact before you buy

Walter W. - I bought an M&P 9mm c from a local dealer, new in the box, about a month ago. I took it right to the range and put 150 rounds through it. About one out of 3 cartridges became wedged between the feed ramp and the slide on the feed stroke. The slide was stuck partially open and the cartridge would not feed up into the chamber. The gun was clean and lubed. I used three types of ammo, two jhp (2 brands) and one jacked round nose. I experienced the same feed problem with all three cartridges and with both of the new magazines. The slide lock did not engage except as it was supposed after the last round of a magazine was fired. When wedged, the nose of the bullet would simply not slide up the feed ramp without encouragement. After examining the problem, I found I could "encourage" the round to slide up the ramp and into the chamber by giving a sharp tap to the top of the slide with the heal of my left hand (finger off the trigger). When the round was in the chamber, it fired as expected and the case ejected without a problem. There were no ejection failures.

The gun is now back at S&W. They said a 10 to 14 day turnaround time, but failed to tell me the factory is closed for three weeks over the holidays. I may see the gun by February. If your dealer will let you, try hand feeding a two or three full magazines through a new M&P 9mm c before you buy it. Load a magazine full of rounds (try jacked hollow points). Pull the slide all the way back and let it go (finger off the trigger). Do this repeatedly. If there is no hesitation in chambering and ejecting each round, the gun may be ok, at least for the problem I encountered. Needless to say, I was not a happy shooter and even less so because S&W closed the factory for three weeks without telling me. I question the quality of initial production and their commitment to customer service. P.S. I'd rented a full size M&P 9mm at a local range a couple of week before buying the compact. It operated flawlessly with 50 rounds of jrn ammo. Very crisp trigger pull with virtually no take up. I liked the gun. Good luck.

 

[Ed Ames]

As a follow up to drybones' post: If the store does allow you to run live ammo through the gun in the store you should leave. There's a very good reason competent gunsmiths use innert ammo when checking an action. Using live rounds can lead to unintended discharges.

These are mass produced items. The manufacturing process has integral QA steps but individual guns are not inspected to the Nth degree. A few will be shipped out with flaws. The only way to guarantee, or even come close to guaranteeing, that you'll buy a working gun is to buy several. You are more likely to get a working gun if you buy two $300 guns than one $600 gun. If you can't (or don't want to) do that, then accept the possibility that the one gun you bought will be going in for service and buy and test well before you need the gun.

That's my take anyway.

As for new in box... it should come with a blue plastic box, a stack of paper, an envelope with some spent brass, a lock, and everything else... in short, it should be new.

NIB == New.
LNIB == Used, but very similar to New.
Everything else should basically be graded NRA "whatever"

 

[JDGray]

Budsguns has some great prices, and lately include shipping. I've had no problems with Buds, but if you buy with a credit card, they add 3% to the price(I think thats right)

 

[varoadking]

S&W closed the factory for three weeks without telling me.

Did they have an obligation to clear this with you in advance?