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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by mikemyers, Feb 18, 2015.

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  1. mikemyers

    mikemyers Member

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    I need to buy ammunition for my S&W Model 41. Does anyone have any recommendations on ammo that works best (along with which ammo to stay away from)?

    I bought a box of Federal "Target Grade Performance .22 Long Rifle ammo", 40 grain Solid, Muzzle Velocity 1200 fps. Out of about 30 shots, the only problem was one bullet that didn't want to feed properly from the magazine into the gun. On the second attempt, it worked fine.

    The purpose of the ammo is target shooting, and while I'd like something "good", it doesn't have to be the most expensive ammo that's made for expert competition.

    (I would have entered this as a reply to an existing thread on the gun, but I couldn't find any recent threads.)

    ......this used to be my old gun, purchased in the early 1980's from a friend. I sold it to a relative a few years ago, and bought it back from him after he bought a different Model 41. I'm hoping I can find ammunition that works in this gun, and also in an old "High Standard" .22 target gun that I just bought.
     
  2. Fishbed77

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    If you are in a position where you can pick and choose from available .22LR options, I envy you!

    That said, I'm pretty sure the 41 is designed for standard-velocity .22LR only, but others can elaborate better.
     
  3. Bullseye57

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    CCI-SV or CCI Green Tag is ammo that functions reliably in M-41s.

    R,
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  4. critter

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    CCI standard velocity. Accurate in mine and 100% function. All other brands I tried (and I tried several!) had problems of one kind or another including frequent failures to fire.
     
  5. Voodoochile

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    Had my hands on a Brand New in the Box Model 41 back 13 years ago from my father-n-law.
    When 911 happened he called me up & asked me to come over, got there he asked if we had any guns & started handing me a bunch of em.
    The Model 41 & 2 other guns I gave back because I did the research on them & with as brand new as they were "with receipts in the boxes from the 1960's" I told him it was worth more for him to hold on to them.

    Sorry for high jacking this but had to say that I kick myself for never keeping that one.
     
  6. mikemyers

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    I deliberately titled this thread only "Smith & Wesson Model 41" so anybody could say anything about that gun, so you're not "hijacking" this thread.

    I've got several more questions I want to ask about the Model 41, and will also post them here, but not until after I go to the local range, and get used to it again.

    (Maybe your father in law still has the gun, and you can buy it?)
     
  7. Cemetery21

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    CCI SV and Wolf Match (Lapua) work for me, but I've not bought ammo in the current market so I don't know what is available.
    I put a new standard spring and recoil buffer in several years ago in case I wanted to shoot any high velocity, but I think they are set up for standard/target velocity.
     
  8. Onmilo

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    http://www.ammoman.com/22-long-rifle

    Wolf, CCI Standard, Aguila Match are all available here and recommended.
    The prices however, are simply shocking.

    I have been shooting my Model 41 for 25 years now.
    What else do you want to know?
     
  9. Voodoochile

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    Unfortunately my father-in-law passed 6 years ago & that along many of his guns were sold. :-(
     
  10. snooperman

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    I have been using CCI SV for many years with excellent results.
     
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    My understanding is that CCI standard is what the factory uses for tuning and testing the 41s. That is all I use in mine.
     
  12. gunlaw

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    Keep in mind that 22's in general are finicky about ammo. Usually have to try several types and brands to see what works best in your particular firearm. The performance can enen vary in different lots of the same brand. Buy a few different brands and types to see what works best in your pistol. BTW the model 41 is a great pistol. Wish I had one.
     
  13. Furncliff

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    CCI Standard velocity. If you want to experiment with ammo I'd suggest you order Wolff Gun Springs Calibration Pak (recoil springs). My model 41 was quite picky with ammo, the springs are easy to swap, and there should be one that will allow you to reliably shoot whatever ammo you have available.
     
  14. mikemyers

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    At this point in time, I have no desire to experiment; too many other things going on, including two other new-to-me guns that I know very little about. I just want to find ammo that works reliably, and hopefully is reasonably accurate, for an "affordable" price... in that order.

    I did find CCI Standard Velocity 22 LR RN 40 grain ammo in stock for $3.65 for 50 rounds (equals 7.5 cents per round). They have 10 boxes, 500 rounds, in stock.
     
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    CCI SV works fine, and I have not found any high velocity loads that were problems. I use a buffer when using HV loads, though it may not be needed.
     
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    YYIWWOP
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  17. Peter M. Eick

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    I am another fan of cci SV or Green tag. Both seem very reasonable in my 2 41's.
     
  18. mikemyers

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    Here's mine:

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  19. Jim K

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    As far as I know, the Model 41 and 44 were designed to fire any SAAMI spec .22 LR, including high velocity. That, of course, does not mean they will shoot WELL with any given ammo, only that they will shoot it safely and without damage to the gun.

    Jim
     
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    I made the mistake of shooting Blazer crap out of my 41 back when I was shooting Bullseye. I shot a lot of it and the gun started having problems. I took it to a 'smith who looked at it asked me what ammo I used so I told him and he said "WHY would you shoot that crap out of THIS gun?". So I never shot it again and would stay away from cheap ammo. This was back when 500rd bricks were costing me like $8.99 and that's why I used it but I shot better stuff after that and never had problems again.
     
  21. Onmilo

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    Model 41 pistols have indeed and always been rated for high velocity ammunition though they tend to shoot best with standard velocity ammo.

    I think this rumor was started waaaay back in the 50s when there were still a bunch of early Colt Woodsman type pistols still available on the market as well as quite a selection of early 20th century copies and clones and these early guns were only rated for standard velocity ammunition.
    High velocity stuff would beat these early guns up in short order.

    Heck, knowing Colt, They may have started the rumors when the Model 41 began to cut into sales of the Match Woodsman because the 41 was a more inherently accurate pistol....
     
  22. mikemyers

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    The point of asking the question wasn't so much to learn all the different kinds of ammo that might or might not work, but rather to find what people who use this gun usually shoot. Hopefully this won't be something like what 'Valkman' described, or some ammo I used long ago that seemed to 'jam' far too often.

    As for accuracy, here's a comparison of .22 LR ammo:
    http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/22lr-rimfire-ammo-comparison-test/

    My gut feeling is that if I select any ammo that rates better than half an inch at 50 yards, it should be just fine for my practicing/learning with the Model 41 at 15 yards, what I usually shoot.

    If my thinking is reasonable, then I'm back to finding which ammunition doesn't excessively dirty up the gun, and works smoothly without jamming.
     
  23. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    Mine is a very early model

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  24. Jim K

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    The pre-Woodsman came out in 1915, the Woodsman in 1927. The first high velocity .22 LR came out in 1930, and Colt changed the mainspring housing for use with H-V in 1931. They also made a new mainspring housing sold separately to let owners convert the older guns to handle the new ammunition. There are few of the old guns on the market today; most that survive are in collections and rarely if ever fired. Just in case, the older MSH has an oval checkered area at the takedown spot; the newer one has horizontal lines.

    All Woodsman pistols made after 1931, and all Woodman variations made after WWII with the longer MSH are capable of handling H-V ammo with no problems.

    Jim
     
  25. mikemyers

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    Maybe someone here knows the answer to something I used to wonder about. My gun (and most others I have seen) has a 7" barrel. I know it also was available with a 5" barrel, and I know of one gun set up that way.

    What might the reasons be for selecting one over the other? Is the short barrel to make it easier to carry around, or because of some competition rule? I would have thought the longer barrel would improve accuracy, even if only because of the increased distance between front and rear sights. To me, a longer barrel seems like something useful if all you're concerned about is accuracy.
     
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